Do those on the left really want to discuss the whole racism issue?

[otto105]

Pathetic diversion.

Is what I would expect from a conservative in denial.

So what happened in the republic party to their members that voted for the 1964 Civil Rights bill?

Which party shed its racist southern influence and which one embraced it as a "southern strategy?

Which party advocated for a poll tax and for voter ID in current day?


And finally which party includes Dave duke?

And in a thread about having a discussion on race, here we have a leftist making false accusations of racism against the Republicans.


LIke I said, there can be no discussion, because the left is not listening to ANYTHING.

Which one of my assertions was false?

Because anyone can Google.


You want an honest discussion answer the questions.


Until then you're not asking for one.

Do you think that all Republicans/conservatives are racist?

He doesn't think. He "knows" what he is told.

"Told"

Are all conservatives raised this way?

 

[Correll]

Yes, let's discuss RACISM and the Dems' role in propagating it.


Here are a few unassailable facts to consider:

--While the secession debate was between the North and the South, the slavery debate was between a pro-slavery Democratic Party and an anti-slavery Republican Party.

--Two of the three Democrats that Lincoln identified as the champions of slavery—Stephen Douglas and James Buchanan—were Northerners. Only one, Roger Taney, was a Southerner.

--Even after Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation, the Democratic platform in 1864 sought a treaty with the Confederacy that would most likely involve a restoration of slavery.

--After the Civil War, the Democrats overwhelmingly opposed the Thirteenth Amendment freeing the slaves, the Fourteenth Amendment granting equal rights under law, and the Fifteenth Amendment giving blacks the right to vote.

--Jim Crow is entirely a legacy of the Democratic Party. Every segregation law enacted in the South was passed by a Democratic legislature, signed by a Democratic governor, and enforced by Democratic officials.

--After Republicans shut it down in the late nineteenth century, the Ku Klux Klan was revived in the early twentieth century by a progressive Democratic president, Woodrow Wilson, who screened a pro-KKK movie in the White House.

--For decades the Klan served, in the words of progressive historian Eric Foner, as “the domestic terrorist arm of the Democratic Party.” David Duke is an anomaly; virtually every KKK leader for the past 150 years has been a Democrat.

--As historian Ira Katznelson shows, in order to get the New Deal passed, progressive icon Franklin Delano Roosevelt made deals with racist Democrats to block anti-lynching legislation and to exclude African Americans from most New Deal programs.

--More Republicans than Democrats proportionately voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Fair Housing Bill of 1968. The main opposition to the civil rights movement came not from the GOP but from racist Democrats....

Dinesh D'Souza: Colin Kaepernick's big lie

Question, what is a Dixiecrat?

And where did they settle in 2017 politics?

The dixiecrats were all dead by 2017. they were dems who broke from the party, and then returned, waaayyy back, in the 40s I think.

Post something better, that was awful.


Shows your age.

We all noticed that you had nothing to refute my post with. Vague negativity is not an answer, lib.

Your post is a past rehash of a convicted piece of shit.


Again, your in denial of what your present day party embraces and represents.

What political party does dave duke call home?

Probably neither, he is so far out there in la la land.


Lord knows the long history of pro civil rights of the gop is not going to be attractive to him.

 

[Correll]

Is what I would expect from a conservative in denial.

So what happened in the republic party to their members that voted for the 1964 Civil Rights bill?

Which party shed its racist southern influence and which one embraced it as a "southern strategy?

Which party advocated for a poll tax and for voter ID in current day?


And finally which party includes Dave duke?

And in a thread about having a discussion on race, here we have a leftist making false accusations of racism against the Republicans.


LIke I said, there can be no discussion, because the left is not listening to ANYTHING.

Which one of my assertions was false?

Because anyone can Google.


You want an honest discussion answer the questions.


Until then you're not asking for one.

Do you think that all Republicans/conservatives are racist?

He doesn't think. He "knows" what he is told.

"Told"

Are all conservatives raised this way?

My father was a died in the wool union democrat.


He did not raise me as you suggest.


How did you rebel against your father's politics?

 

[Votto]

Question, what is a Dixiecrat?

And where did they settle in 2017 politics?

The dixiecrats were all dead by 2017. they were dems who broke from the party, and then returned, waaayyy back, in the 40s I think.

Post something better, that was awful.


Shows your age.

We all noticed that you had nothing to refute my post with. Vague negativity is not an answer, lib.

Your post is a past rehash of a convicted piece of shit.


Again, your in denial of what your present day party embraces and represents.

What political party does dave duke call home?

Probably neither, he is so far out there in la la land.


Lord knows the long history of pro civil rights of the gop is not going to be attractive to him.

Obama said that Americans should try to see the other's point of view on the whole anthem issue.

From the responses so far, I think this is pure BS.

 

[Correll]

The dixiecrats were all dead by 2017. they were dems who broke from the party, and then returned, waaayyy back, in the 40s I think.

Post something better, that was awful.


Shows your age.

We all noticed that you had nothing to refute my post with. Vague negativity is not an answer, lib.

Your post is a past rehash of a convicted piece of shit.


Again, your in denial of what your present day party embraces and represents.

What political party does dave duke call home?

Probably neither, he is so far out there in la la land.


Lord knows the long history of pro civil rights of the gop is not going to be attractive to him.

Obama said that Americans should try to see the other's point of view on the whole anthem issue.

From the responses so far, I think this is pure BS.

Obama can shut the fuck up.

 

[boedicca]

Yes, let's discuss RACISM and the Dems' role in propagating it.


Here are a few unassailable facts to consider:

--While the secession debate was between the North and the South, the slavery debate was between a pro-slavery Democratic Party and an anti-slavery Republican Party.

--Two of the three Democrats that Lincoln identified as the champions of slavery—Stephen Douglas and James Buchanan—were Northerners. Only one, Roger Taney, was a Southerner.

--Even after Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation, the Democratic platform in 1864 sought a treaty with the Confederacy that would most likely involve a restoration of slavery.

--After the Civil War, the Democrats overwhelmingly opposed the Thirteenth Amendment freeing the slaves, the Fourteenth Amendment granting equal rights under law, and the Fifteenth Amendment giving blacks the right to vote.

--Jim Crow is entirely a legacy of the Democratic Party. Every segregation law enacted in the South was passed by a Democratic legislature, signed by a Democratic governor, and enforced by Democratic officials.

--After Republicans shut it down in the late nineteenth century, the Ku Klux Klan was revived in the early twentieth century by a progressive Democratic president, Woodrow Wilson, who screened a pro-KKK movie in the White House.

--For decades the Klan served, in the words of progressive historian Eric Foner, as “the domestic terrorist arm of the Democratic Party.” David Duke is an anomaly; virtually every KKK leader for the past 150 years has been a Democrat.

--As historian Ira Katznelson shows, in order to get the New Deal passed, progressive icon Franklin Delano Roosevelt made deals with racist Democrats to block anti-lynching legislation and to exclude African Americans from most New Deal programs.

--More Republicans than Democrats proportionately voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Fair Housing Bill of 1968. The main opposition to the civil rights movement came not from the GOP but from racist Democrats....

Dinesh D'Souza: Colin Kaepernick's big lie

Question, what is a Dixiecrat?

And where did they settle in 2017 politics?

Pathetic diversion.

Is what I would expect from a conservative in denial.

So what happened in the republic party to their members that voted for the 1964 Civil Rights bill?

Which party shed its racist southern influence and which one embraced it as a "southern strategy?

Which party advocated for a poll tax and for voter ID in current day?


And finally which party includes Dave duke?

^^^ Never took a real American history or civics class ^^^

 

[boedicca]

Yes, let's discuss RACISM and the Dems' role in propagating it.


Here are a few unassailable facts to consider:

--While the secession debate was between the North and the South, the slavery debate was between a pro-slavery Democratic Party and an anti-slavery Republican Party.

--Two of the three Democrats that Lincoln identified as the champions of slavery—Stephen Douglas and James Buchanan—were Northerners. Only one, Roger Taney, was a Southerner.

--Even after Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation, the Democratic platform in 1864 sought a treaty with the Confederacy that would most likely involve a restoration of slavery.

--After the Civil War, the Democrats overwhelmingly opposed the Thirteenth Amendment freeing the slaves, the Fourteenth Amendment granting equal rights under law, and the Fifteenth Amendment giving blacks the right to vote.

--Jim Crow is entirely a legacy of the Democratic Party. Every segregation law enacted in the South was passed by a Democratic legislature, signed by a Democratic governor, and enforced by Democratic officials.

--After Republicans shut it down in the late nineteenth century, the Ku Klux Klan was revived in the early twentieth century by a progressive Democratic president, Woodrow Wilson, who screened a pro-KKK movie in the White House.

--For decades the Klan served, in the words of progressive historian Eric Foner, as “the domestic terrorist arm of the Democratic Party.” David Duke is an anomaly; virtually every KKK leader for the past 150 years has been a Democrat.

--As historian Ira Katznelson shows, in order to get the New Deal passed, progressive icon Franklin Delano Roosevelt made deals with racist Democrats to block anti-lynching legislation and to exclude African Americans from most New Deal programs.

--More Republicans than Democrats proportionately voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Fair Housing Bill of 1968. The main opposition to the civil rights movement came not from the GOP but from racist Democrats....

Dinesh D'Souza: Colin Kaepernick's big lie

Question, what is a Dixiecrat?

And where did they settle in 2017 politics?

The dixiecrats were all dead by 2017. they were dems who broke from the party, and then returned, waaayyy back, in the 40s I think.

Post something better, that was awful.


Shows your age.

^^^ 18 year old ignorant snowflake ^^^

 

[G.T.]

So from what we were told, the whole not standing for the national anthem was suppose to generate meaningful discussions about the ills of society?

If so, let's get it on!

First off, there is racism and there will always be racism. Nothing will change this fact.

Secondly, there are things we can do to reduce racism, but it's not a one way road.

What we have in the US today is a black culture steeped in gang violence, drugs, and poverty. It is a self perpetuating fact. Here we have a small number of blacks that are responsible for the majority of violent crimes in the US.

Now put yourself in the shoes of a police officer in that violent community. You will always be on your guard. If you lower your guard, you die, but if you "snap" and make the wrong move you get sued. How would you fair at that job?

It is also true that blacks are profiled. Of course, middle eastern men are also profiled on board planes. Why? Is it because of racism? No, it's because most acts of international terrorism are carried out by such people.

Last year, about 250 black men were killed by police officers, and guess what, those police officers were not all white. Now let's consider the violence in Chicago every year. Black on black violence accounts for more than double the number of blacks killed by police officers. Where are the protests about that? There are none to be heard. How is it that police are not suppose to kill blacks when they are killing themselves in such numbers? It is insane.

What we are witnessing is America paying for the sins of the past, but to continually try to blame others for the problem instead of taking accountability for our own short comings is poison.

What say you?

This was a mostly great OP.

The fault I find in it is the canaard that nobody talks about black on black violence.


uh, yes they do?

Do you know how many volunteer programs are dedicated, in Chicago ALONE to curbing it?

Do you, and everyone like you that always says "nobody ever talk about black on black crime..."

not count.....as talking about it?


Such a victim.



When both sides stop being a victim, adults in the room can clear the air and start fresh, and reasonably. But everyone wants to be a victim, instead.

 

[Votto]

So from what we were told, the whole not standing for the national anthem was suppose to generate meaningful discussions about the ills of society?

If so, let's get it on!

First off, there is racism and there will always be racism. Nothing will change this fact.

Secondly, there are things we can do to reduce racism, but it's not a one way road.

What we have in the US today is a black culture steeped in gang violence, drugs, and poverty. It is a self perpetuating fact. Here we have a small number of blacks that are responsible for the majority of violent crimes in the US.

Now put yourself in the shoes of a police officer in that violent community. You will always be on your guard. If you lower your guard, you die, but if you "snap" and make the wrong move you get sued. How would you fair at that job?

It is also true that blacks are profiled. Of course, middle eastern men are also profiled on board planes. Why? Is it because of racism? No, it's because most acts of international terrorism are carried out by such people.

Last year, about 250 black men were killed by police officers, and guess what, those police officers were not all white. Now let's consider the violence in Chicago every year. Black on black violence accounts for more than double the number of blacks killed by police officers. Where are the protests about that? There are none to be heard. How is it that police are not suppose to kill blacks when they are killing themselves in such numbers? It is insane.

What we are witnessing is America paying for the sins of the past, but to continually try to blame others for the problem instead of taking accountability for our own short comings is poison.

What say you?

This was a mostly great OP.

The fault I find in it is the canaard that nobody talks about black on black violence.


uh, yes they do?

Do you know how many volunteer programs are dedicated, in Chicago ALONE to curbing it?

Do you, and everyone like you that always says "nobody ever talk about black on black crime..."

not count.....as talking about it?


Such a victim.



When both sides stop being a victim, adults in the room can clear the air and start fresh, and reasonably. But everyone wants to be a victim, instead.

So enlighten us.

Tell us about the programs and how they are statistically improving things.

And no, I never hear about it in the news. The only news we hear is when ****** is a racist against blacky.

 

[G.T.]

So from what we were told, the whole not standing for the national anthem was suppose to generate meaningful discussions about the ills of society?

If so, let's get it on!

First off, there is racism and there will always be racism. Nothing will change this fact.

Secondly, there are things we can do to reduce racism, but it's not a one way road.

What we have in the US today is a black culture steeped in gang violence, drugs, and poverty. It is a self perpetuating fact. Here we have a small number of blacks that are responsible for the majority of violent crimes in the US.

Now put yourself in the shoes of a police officer in that violent community. You will always be on your guard. If you lower your guard, you die, but if you "snap" and make the wrong move you get sued. How would you fair at that job?

It is also true that blacks are profiled. Of course, middle eastern men are also profiled on board planes. Why? Is it because of racism? No, it's because most acts of international terrorism are carried out by such people.

Last year, about 250 black men were killed by police officers, and guess what, those police officers were not all white. Now let's consider the violence in Chicago every year. Black on black violence accounts for more than double the number of blacks killed by police officers. Where are the protests about that? There are none to be heard. How is it that police are not suppose to kill blacks when they are killing themselves in such numbers? It is insane.

What we are witnessing is America paying for the sins of the past, but to continually try to blame others for the problem instead of taking accountability for our own short comings is poison.

What say you?

This was a mostly great OP.

The fault I find in it is the canaard that nobody talks about black on black violence.


uh, yes they do?

Do you know how many volunteer programs are dedicated, in Chicago ALONE to curbing it?

Do you, and everyone like you that always says "nobody ever talk about black on black crime..."

not count.....as talking about it?


Such a victim.



When both sides stop being a victim, adults in the room can clear the air and start fresh, and reasonably. But everyone wants to be a victim, instead.

So enlighten us.

Tell us about the programs and how they are statistically improving things.

And no, I never hear about it in the news. The only news we hear is when ****** is a racist against blacky.

you did two things here, votto.

you made a straw man

"statistically improving things" was your own invention



you moved goal posts...

from nobody talks about it.....to.."in the news"



why cant you have an adult discussion without weaselling and wasting time? its annoying, stoppit

 

[Votto]

So from what we were told, the whole not standing for the national anthem was suppose to generate meaningful discussions about the ills of society?

If so, let's get it on!

First off, there is racism and there will always be racism. Nothing will change this fact.

Secondly, there are things we can do to reduce racism, but it's not a one way road.

What we have in the US today is a black culture steeped in gang violence, drugs, and poverty. It is a self perpetuating fact. Here we have a small number of blacks that are responsible for the majority of violent crimes in the US.

Now put yourself in the shoes of a police officer in that violent community. You will always be on your guard. If you lower your guard, you die, but if you "snap" and make the wrong move you get sued. How would you fair at that job?

It is also true that blacks are profiled. Of course, middle eastern men are also profiled on board planes. Why? Is it because of racism? No, it's because most acts of international terrorism are carried out by such people.

Last year, about 250 black men were killed by police officers, and guess what, those police officers were not all white. Now let's consider the violence in Chicago every year. Black on black violence accounts for more than double the number of blacks killed by police officers. Where are the protests about that? There are none to be heard. How is it that police are not suppose to kill blacks when they are killing themselves in such numbers? It is insane.

What we are witnessing is America paying for the sins of the past, but to continually try to blame others for the problem instead of taking accountability for our own short comings is poison.

What say you?

This was a mostly great OP.

The fault I find in it is the canaard that nobody talks about black on black violence.


uh, yes they do?

Do you know how many volunteer programs are dedicated, in Chicago ALONE to curbing it?

Do you, and everyone like you that always says "nobody ever talk about black on black crime..."

not count.....as talking about it?


Such a victim.



When both sides stop being a victim, adults in the room can clear the air and start fresh, and reasonably. But everyone wants to be a victim, instead.

So enlighten us.

Tell us about the programs and how they are statistically improving things.

And no, I never hear about it in the news. The only news we hear is when ****** is a racist against blacky.

you did two things here, votto.

you made a straw man

"statistically improving things" was your own invention



you moved goal posts...

from nobody talks about it.....to.."in the news"



why cant you have an adult discussion without weaselling and wasting time? its annoying, stoppit

Ok, then just talk about what programs there are and what they do.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The left never wants to discuss anything. Sit down, shut up and listen to another lecture is what they want.

 

[Votto]

The left never wants to discuss anything. Sit down, shut up and listen to another lecture is what they want.

Give'em a chance is all you can do.

 

[LoneLaugher]

So from what we were told, the whole not standing for the national anthem was suppose to generate meaningful discussions about the ills of society?

If so, let's get it on!

First off, there is racism and there will always be racism. Nothing will change this fact.

Secondly, there are things we can do to reduce racism, but it's not a one way road.

What we have in the US today is a black culture steeped in gang violence, drugs, and poverty. It is a self perpetuating fact. Here we have a small number of blacks that are responsible for the majority of violent crimes in the US.

Now put yourself in the shoes of a police officer in that violent community. You will always be on your guard. If you lower your guard, you die, but if you "snap" and make the wrong move you get sued. How would you fair at that job?

It is also true that blacks are profiled. Of course, middle eastern men are also profiled on board planes. Why? Is it because of racism? No, it's because most acts of international terrorism are carried out by such people.

Last year, about 250 black men were killed by police officers, and guess what, those police officers were not all white. Now let's consider the violence in Chicago every year. Black on black violence accounts for more than double the number of blacks killed by police officers. Where are the protests about that? There are none to be heard. How is it that police are not suppose to kill blacks when they are killing themselves in such numbers? It is insane.

What we are witnessing is America paying for the sins of the past, but to continually try to blame others for the problem instead of taking accountability for our own short comings is poison.

What say you?

To paragraph 5 I say, why? Answer with some intelligence and we can proceed.

 

[Votto]

So from what we were told, the whole not standing for the national anthem was suppose to generate meaningful discussions about the ills of society?

If so, let's get it on!

First off, there is racism and there will always be racism. Nothing will change this fact.

Secondly, there are things we can do to reduce racism, but it's not a one way road.

What we have in the US today is a black culture steeped in gang violence, drugs, and poverty. It is a self perpetuating fact. Here we have a small number of blacks that are responsible for the majority of violent crimes in the US.

Now put yourself in the shoes of a police officer in that violent community. You will always be on your guard. If you lower your guard, you die, but if you "snap" and make the wrong move you get sued. How would you fair at that job?

It is also true that blacks are profiled. Of course, middle eastern men are also profiled on board planes. Why? Is it because of racism? No, it's because most acts of international terrorism are carried out by such people.

Last year, about 250 black men were killed by police officers, and guess what, those police officers were not all white. Now let's consider the violence in Chicago every year. Black on black violence accounts for more than double the number of blacks killed by police officers. Where are the protests about that? There are none to be heard. How is it that police are not suppose to kill blacks when they are killing themselves in such numbers? It is insane.

What we are witnessing is America paying for the sins of the past, but to continually try to blame others for the problem instead of taking accountability for our own short comings is poison.

What say you?

To paragraph 5 I say, why? Answer with some intelligence and we can proceed.

So why is the black culture steeped in poverty and violence?

 

[G.T.]

So from what we were told, the whole not standing for the national anthem was suppose to generate meaningful discussions about the ills of society?

If so, let's get it on!

First off, there is racism and there will always be racism. Nothing will change this fact.

Secondly, there are things we can do to reduce racism, but it's not a one way road.

What we have in the US today is a black culture steeped in gang violence, drugs, and poverty. It is a self perpetuating fact. Here we have a small number of blacks that are responsible for the majority of violent crimes in the US.

Now put yourself in the shoes of a police officer in that violent community. You will always be on your guard. If you lower your guard, you die, but if you "snap" and make the wrong move you get sued. How would you fair at that job?

It is also true that blacks are profiled. Of course, middle eastern men are also profiled on board planes. Why? Is it because of racism? No, it's because most acts of international terrorism are carried out by such people.

Last year, about 250 black men were killed by police officers, and guess what, those police officers were not all white. Now let's consider the violence in Chicago every year. Black on black violence accounts for more than double the number of blacks killed by police officers. Where are the protests about that? There are none to be heard. How is it that police are not suppose to kill blacks when they are killing themselves in such numbers? It is insane.

What we are witnessing is America paying for the sins of the past, but to continually try to blame others for the problem instead of taking accountability for our own short comings is poison.

What say you?

This was a mostly great OP.

The fault I find in it is the canaard that nobody talks about black on black violence.


uh, yes they do?

Do you know how many volunteer programs are dedicated, in Chicago ALONE to curbing it?

Do you, and everyone like you that always says "nobody ever talk about black on black crime..."

not count.....as talking about it?


Such a victim.



When both sides stop being a victim, adults in the room can clear the air and start fresh, and reasonably. But everyone wants to be a victim, instead.

So enlighten us.

Tell us about the programs and how they are statistically improving things.

And no, I never hear about it in the news. The only news we hear is when ****** is a racist against blacky.

you did two things here, votto.

you made a straw man

"statistically improving things" was your own invention



you moved goal posts...

from nobody talks about it.....to.."in the news"



why cant you have an adult discussion without weaselling and wasting time? its annoying, stoppit

Ok, then just talk about what programs there are and what they do.

Are you not wanting to know, on purpose?

All you had to do was google. These arent invented out of thin air, theyre real living, breathing humans dude.

Do you ever counter research your hyperbole because ...if im not mistaking......you wrote a 6 hour long OP and didnt even BOTHER to vet it for accuracy.

why?

anti violence programs chicago - Google Search

and theres no protests?

type this into google, try it yourself this time: "anti+violence+protest+chicago"


and then correct your OP that nobody protests black on black crime when...thats just the 1st city we even got you to bother to research





you decry folks n9t wanting to have a real discussion


then you post lies, and dont even bother to research if you may be off base


and then you come back and wonder why theres no real discussion on the topic.


prolly need to look really deeply into what youre all about some day, dude

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So from what we were told, the whole not standing for the national anthem was suppose to generate meaningful discussions about the ills of society?

If so, let's get it on!

First off, there is racism and there will always be racism. Nothing will change this fact.

Secondly, there are things we can do to reduce racism, but it's not a one way road.

What we have in the US today is a black culture steeped in gang violence, drugs, and poverty. It is a self perpetuating fact. Here we have a small number of blacks that are responsible for the majority of violent crimes in the US.

Now put yourself in the shoes of a police officer in that violent community. You will always be on your guard. If you lower your guard, you die, but if you "snap" and make the wrong move you get sued. How would you fair at that job?

It is also true that blacks are profiled. Of course, middle eastern men are also profiled on board planes. Why? Is it because of racism? No, it's because most acts of international terrorism are carried out by such people.

Last year, about 250 black men were killed by police officers, and guess what, those police officers were not all white. Now let's consider the violence in Chicago every year. Black on black violence accounts for more than double the number of blacks killed by police officers. Where are the protests about that? There are none to be heard. How is it that police are not suppose to kill blacks when they are killing themselves in such numbers? It is insane.

What we are witnessing is America paying for the sins of the past, but to continually try to blame others for the problem instead of taking accountability for our own short comings is poison.

What say you?

This was a mostly great OP.

The fault I find in it is the canaard that nobody talks about black on black violence.


uh, yes they do?

Do you know how many volunteer programs are dedicated, in Chicago ALONE to curbing it?

Do you, and everyone like you that always says "nobody ever talk about black on black crime..."

not count.....as talking about it?


Such a victim.



When both sides stop being a victim, adults in the room can clear the air and start fresh, and reasonably. But everyone wants to be a victim, instead.

No, only those on the left want to be a victim.

BTW, when was the last time the MSM ever talked about black on black crime?

 

[G.T.]

So from what we were told, the whole not standing for the national anthem was suppose to generate meaningful discussions about the ills of society?

If so, let's get it on!

First off, there is racism and there will always be racism. Nothing will change this fact.

Secondly, there are things we can do to reduce racism, but it's not a one way road.

What we have in the US today is a black culture steeped in gang violence, drugs, and poverty. It is a self perpetuating fact. Here we have a small number of blacks that are responsible for the majority of violent crimes in the US.

Now put yourself in the shoes of a police officer in that violent community. You will always be on your guard. If you lower your guard, you die, but if you "snap" and make the wrong move you get sued. How would you fair at that job?

It is also true that blacks are profiled. Of course, middle eastern men are also profiled on board planes. Why? Is it because of racism? No, it's because most acts of international terrorism are carried out by such people.

Last year, about 250 black men were killed by police officers, and guess what, those police officers were not all white. Now let's consider the violence in Chicago every year. Black on black violence accounts for more than double the number of blacks killed by police officers. Where are the protests about that? There are none to be heard. How is it that police are not suppose to kill blacks when they are killing themselves in such numbers? It is insane.

What we are witnessing is America paying for the sins of the past, but to continually try to blame others for the problem instead of taking accountability for our own short comings is poison.

What say you?

This was a mostly great OP.

The fault I find in it is the canaard that nobody talks about black on black violence.


uh, yes they do?

Do you know how many volunteer programs are dedicated, in Chicago ALONE to curbing it?

Do you, and everyone like you that always says "nobody ever talk about black on black crime..."

not count.....as talking about it?


Such a victim.



When both sides stop being a victim, adults in the room can clear the air and start fresh, and reasonably. But everyone wants to be a victim, instead.

No, only those on the left want to be a victim.

BTW, when was the last time the MSM ever talked about black on black crime?

your second sentence was victim mentality

right after your first sentence, lol


you need the media to direct your life and what you talk about, ray? whys that? why arent you out talking about it, ray? if you are, get busier. messageboards dont change nobody's minds.

 

[LoneLaugher]

What could I, a small businessman in central Florida, possibly gain from calling a person I don't know personally, on a message board, a bigot or white suoremscist?

You guys are so clearly racist and so obsessed with race, yet you cannot admit it on an anonymous platform. It so fucking weird.

 

[Votto]

So from what we were told, the whole not standing for the national anthem was suppose to generate meaningful discussions about the ills of society?

If so, let's get it on!

First off, there is racism and there will always be racism. Nothing will change this fact.

Secondly, there are things we can do to reduce racism, but it's not a one way road.

What we have in the US today is a black culture steeped in gang violence, drugs, and poverty. It is a self perpetuating fact. Here we have a small number of blacks that are responsible for the majority of violent crimes in the US.

Now put yourself in the shoes of a police officer in that violent community. You will always be on your guard. If you lower your guard, you die, but if you "snap" and make the wrong move you get sued. How would you fair at that job?

It is also true that blacks are profiled. Of course, middle eastern men are also profiled on board planes. Why? Is it because of racism? No, it's because most acts of international terrorism are carried out by such people.

Last year, about 250 black men were killed by police officers, and guess what, those police officers were not all white. Now let's consider the violence in Chicago every year. Black on black violence accounts for more than double the number of blacks killed by police officers. Where are the protests about that? There are none to be heard. How is it that police are not suppose to kill blacks when they are killing themselves in such numbers? It is insane.

What we are witnessing is America paying for the sins of the past, but to continually try to blame others for the problem instead of taking accountability for our own short comings is poison.

What say you?

This was a mostly great OP.

The fault I find in it is the canaard that nobody talks about black on black violence.


uh, yes they do?

Do you know how many volunteer programs are dedicated, in Chicago ALONE to curbing it?

Do you, and everyone like you that always says "nobody ever talk about black on black crime..."

not count.....as talking about it?


Such a victim.



When both sides stop being a victim, adults in the room can clear the air and start fresh, and reasonably. But everyone wants to be a victim, instead.

So enlighten us.

Tell us about the programs and how they are statistically improving things.

And no, I never hear about it in the news. The only news we hear is when ****** is a racist against blacky.

you did two things here, votto.

you made a straw man

"statistically improving things" was your own invention



you moved goal posts...

from nobody talks about it.....to.."in the news"



why cant you have an adult discussion without weaselling and wasting time? its annoying, stoppit

Ok, then just talk about what programs there are and what they do.

Are you not wanting to know, on purpose?

All you had to do was google. These arent invented out of thin air, theyre real living, breathing humans dude.

Do you ever counter research your hyperbole because ...if im not mistaking......you wrote a 6 hour long OP and didnt even BOTHER to vet it for accuracy.

why?

anti violence programs chicago - Google Search

and theres no protests?

type this into google, try it yourself this time: "anti+violence+protest+chicago"


and then correct your OP that nobody protests black on black crime when...thats just the 1st city we even got you to bother to research





you decry folks n9t wanting to have a real discussion


then you post lies, and dont even bother to research if you may be off base


and then you come back and wonder why theres no real discussion on the topic.


prolly need to look really deeply into what youre all about some day, dude

Get off your high horse. I created this thread for conversation, not for chest thumping.

This is not a term paper, it's just a casual discussion.

How many people do you reckon researches such issues? All we hear in the media is racial baiting and meaningless drivel. Embrace some casual conversation about the facts for a change instead of being such a pompous SOB.

So are you familiar with any of these programs or did you just randomly google a bunch of programs you have no familiarity with?