Do black people not want to get ahead?

[B94]

Its really funny how some ignore the fact that from the time of slavery up until the late 1960s, blacks lived in a state of second class citizenship for the large part yet none of this has no effect on what goes on today in the slums and our course its all the fault of those damn evil liberals and those dumb, unresponsible blacks that teach their children not to value education and hard work[though to date, no one has ever shown any hard evidence for the claim that blacks in inner cities teach their kids these things].

I agree, the present comes from the past.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You two are PART of the problem. It is a fact of life that black society in the slums has taught whole generations of blacks to NOT get an eductaion, to not work to improve their economic position.

Disagree as this is only part of the problem and not the meat of it. The racial policies of the past have as much to do with it also, as long as people like you continue to stick their heads in the sand about this there will be no progress between the "races'" just more suspicion and distrust. Likewise the Bass believes that blacks in the inner cities can't let the conditions they live in be an excuse not to want to exceed because doing nothing isn't going to uplift anything and anyone. The Bass has been in and has relatives that live in poor neighborhoods and slums and none of their parents teach them not to work hard and devalue education, its quite the opposite, parents in the inner city slums strong emphasize the opposite, but how would you know that? You're just spewing the retardology of those on the far right.

Liberals went out of their way to turn hard working, independent black families into dependent slugs of a welfare State. One reason was for votes and power. And they generally succeeded.

The Bass agrees with this in as much as there are liberals who have done this to the benefit of themselves, yet the policies of a lot of conservatives are no better since their M.O. is greed and to gain as much wealth and power as they can

When you spend 50 years giving hand outs and teaching a group of people that hard work, initiative and drive mean nothing and that Big Brother will feed and cloth you and house you as long as you VOTE for the right party... you have done nothing but return those people to a state of SLAVERY. It may be self imposed but that is what it is.

More rightwing nutter garbage, what about what conservatives have been teaching? Look at this last administration and the politics of they've employed since Reagan. They equally fail to stress hard work and education in their actions, instead they stress helping out you buddies and the children of your buddies to get by and to manipulate people to gain as much wealth and power as you can. enact as much legislation as you can to favor you and your rich buddies to tilt and maintain the distribution of wealth in a one way direction and then label those who don't have it as failures who don't want to achieve. Thats something that poor, poverty stricken whites have failed to understand since day one, well after that rebellion in Virgina in the 1600s.

That is why Blacks in the ghetto drop out in astronomical figures. Turn to crime for the fast buck and end up pregnant or in Jail depending on their sex. Sure there are success stories, BUT this thread is all about the fact those blacks get ridiculed by their fellow Ghetto people for succeeding.

 

[KittenKoder]

RGS, Dude, Wow ... um ... for two people who actually agree on this issue, you are both going at each others throats .... why?

Don't have much tolerance for losers and retards, And that pretty much covers Dude.

Um ... yeah, but this is an issue about how black people in the US are harming themselves, it seems a pretty good consensus that there is some truth to that among all those who posted here (excluding the Quentin interlude), and you, Dude, and I all seem to think they are "babied" too much now and that this is connected to their hurting their own in some fashion or another. Why bring in other issues? Why not instead discuss in more detail of why this is true? Not just talking to you BTW, but the animosity toward each other is one reason why none of the "parties" can ever see eye to eye on such issues. It would surprise you on how many "libs" and "dems" actually agree with you on this.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

RGS, Dude, Wow ... um ... for two people who actually agree on this issue, you are both going at each others throats .... why?

Don't have much tolerance for losers and retards, And that pretty much covers Dude.

Um ... yeah, but this is an issue about how black people in the US are harming themselves, it seems a pretty good consensus that there is some truth to that among all those who posted here (excluding the Quentin interlude), and you, Dude, and I all seem to think they are "babied" too much now and that this is connected to their hurting their own in some fashion or another. Why bring in other issues? Why not instead discuss in more detail of why this is true? Not just talking to you BTW, but the animosity toward each other is one reason why none of the "parties" can ever see eye to eye on such issues. It would surprise you on how many "libs" and "dems" actually agree with you on this.

Yet you address just me. Go figure. Calling a Career Military person a Lifer is an INSULT. He knows it and that is why he did it.

The term lifer is used, usually by losers, to say that the person the term is applied to that they are to lazy and ignorant to get a "real" Job and just hide out in the soft easy military for 20 to retire.

The term is applied, again usually, to NCO's and SNCO's that actually enforce the regulations and ensure the troops are functioning at their best possible level of performance. In other words it is used to denigrate the very people that ARE doing the most. And almost every time you will find that the person making the charge is actually the lazy turd hiding out in the military till he can not take being forced to do his job.

 

[B94]

I believe both Charlie Bass and RetiredGyStg both have made good points. I believe the ridicule is from ignorant people (partially due to the past) and as more blacks become better educated this will lessen.

 

[JW Frogen]

I agree, the present comes from the past.

Unless, you are strong enough, wise enough to make the past no longer present.

 

[JW Frogen]

Once I sober up I will do some seminars, books and tapes.

 

[roomy]

You are priceless Froggy the Monkey Spanker

 

[KittenKoder]

Don't have much tolerance for losers and retards, And that pretty much covers Dude.

Um ... yeah, but this is an issue about how black people in the US are harming themselves, it seems a pretty good consensus that there is some truth to that among all those who posted here (excluding the Quentin interlude), and you, Dude, and I all seem to think they are "babied" too much now and that this is connected to their hurting their own in some fashion or another. Why bring in other issues? Why not instead discuss in more detail of why this is true? Not just talking to you BTW, but the animosity toward each other is one reason why none of the "parties" can ever see eye to eye on such issues. It would surprise you on how many "libs" and "dems" actually agree with you on this.

Yet you address just me. Go figure. Calling a Career Military person a Lifer is an INSULT. He knows it and that is why he did it.

The term lifer is used, usually by losers, to say that the person the term is applied to that they are to lazy and ignorant to get a "real" Job and just hide out in the soft easy military for 20 to retire.

The term is applied, again usually, to NCO's and SNCO's that actually enforce the regulations and ensure the troops are functioning at their best possible level of performance. In other words it is used to denigrate the very people that ARE doing the most. And almost every time you will find that the person making the charge is actually the lazy turd hiding out in the military till he can not take being forced to do his job.

RGS and Dude is who I addressed with the first question, the second post was in general. As for the term "lifer", I heard it used on TV (don't know any military IRL) and they didn't use it as derogatory, so sorry if I did not see that, but it doesn't change the miscommunication between you two. Now, I brought it up because if we all looked at what we posted concerning the actual topic, so far we all (even Bass and B94) agree on this. This is almost a day to mark on the calendar if you think about it. Something we all agree on at least in part, something which even has me baffled.

 

[KittenKoder]

I should add that my last post applies only to those who have contributed to the actual topic at hand ... ahem.

 

[roomy]

Do I look like I care?

 

[B94]

Kitten while we probably don't agree on everything, I like you. I even like Charlie Bass.

 

[KittenKoder]

Do I look like I care?

Of course not ...

 

[JW Frogen]

Do I look like I care?

Roomy, you care, there is a big, soft teddy bear in there. You care too much.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Do I look like I care?

Roomy, you care, there is a big, soft teddy bear in there. You care too much.

You realize a "teddy" bear is actually modeled off of a Grizzly that Teddy Roosevelt killed on a Hunt? If rommy has a teddy bear in him, I would suggest everyone run away, run away.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

That is why Blacks in the ghetto drop out in astronomical figures.

Do you have sufficient evidence for this claim or once again are you spewing what rightwing nutter spew? The rightwing nutters always like to blame the poor and unfortunate for everything that goes wrong, even for their[rightwing nutters] own failures, they've even blamed blacks, minorities, immigrants, etc, for draining the economy and government of money that would be best served elsewhere[their pockets of course] while simultaneously ignoring the damage and misuse of their own ilk[the failure of auto companies and the greed with which they rewarded themselves and others for screwing up the economy by using government money paid by taxpayers] will the real people avoiding responsibility for their actions please stand up? If you want to be rich and powerful, you don't have to work hard, just do a great job at ripping off and bilking the government and taxpayers by rewarding yourselves with bonus money for having done a crappy job, thats their motto.

Turn to crime for the fast buck

Like Madoff, right?

and end up pregnant or in Jail depending on their sex. Sure there are success stories, BUT this thread is all about the fact those blacks get ridiculed by their fellow Ghetto people for succeeding.

Produce evidence that blacks teach and stress these things over education and hard work

 

[RetiredGySgt]

That is why Blacks in the ghetto drop out in astronomical figures.

Do you have sufficient evidence for this claim or once again are you spewing what rightwing nutter spew? The rightwing nutters always like to blame the poor and unfortunate for everything that goes wrong, even for their[rightwing nutters] own failures, they've even blamed blacks, minorities, immigrants, etc, for draining the economy and government of money that would be best served elsewhere[their pockets of course] while simultaneously ignoring the damage and misuse of their own ilk[the failure of auto companies and the greed with which they rewarded themselves and others for screwing up the economy by using government money paid by taxpayers] will the real people avoiding responsibility for their actions please stand up? If you want to be rich and powerful, you don't have to work hard, just do a great job at ripping off and bilking the government and taxpayers by rewarding yourselves with bonus money for having done a crappy job, thats their motto.

Turn to crime for the fast buck

Like Madoff, right?

and end up pregnant or in Jail depending on their sex. Sure there are success stories, BUT this thread is all about the fact those blacks get ridiculed by their fellow Ghetto people for succeeding.

Produce evidence that blacks teach and stress these things over education and hard work

Statistics are ALL over the web, you are dismissed as a racist that is part and parcel of the problem. Deny reality all you want, won't change what reality IS.

Kitten I suggest you reread what "the bass" is saying. He is in fact claiming that whites keep "his" people down and they are just innocent bystanders helpless to do anything about it.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Statistics are ALL over the web, you are dismissed as a racist that is part and parcel of the problem. Deny reality all you want, won't change what reality IS.

Post statistics that stated without question that blacks teach and stress all those negative things you stated. Stats don't tell the entire story, for by that logic those stats would imply that most or nearly all blacks are immoral while nearly or most whites are not, but how would you know that?

Kitten I suggest you reread what "the bass" is saying. He is in fact claiming that whites keep "his" people down and they are just innocent bystanders helpless to do anything about it.

this is BS, the Bass stated that the racial politics of the past have and still do play a part in what we see today, which is why a lot of whites are so quick to dismiss the sins and actions and or downplay them as having no significance today, but its undeniable that they do have an effect, to deny it is to stick your head in the sand. Nevertheless, the Bass stated that regardless of the conditions blacks cannot and should use that as an excuse to succeed and do better which implies that some do not strive for better.

On a linear note, do you really think that whites in America have obtained their higher social and economic status strictly through hard work and stress education without doing absolutely anything wrong to obtain it and that it was all honest? lest you forget, blacks and whites in America have *NOT* lived equally in as far as equality is concerned when one looks at the total time both has been in America. Whites did not have to endure slavery, Jim Crow laws, the terror of the KKK and being lynched, redlining, denial of equal suffrage, discrimination in housing and other racially restrictive policies that stunt advancement like blacks have and 50 years of so called Civil Rights is not going to completely fix the problem and make the sins of the past completely irrelevant today.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Statistics are ALL over the web, you are dismissed as a racist that is part and parcel of the problem. Deny reality all you want, won't change what reality IS.

Post statistics that stated without question that blacks teach and stress all those negative things you stated. Stats don't tell the entire story, for by that logic those stats would imply that most or nearly all blacks are immoral while nearly or most whites are not, but how would you know that?

Kitten I suggest you reread what "the bass" is saying. He is in fact claiming that whites keep "his" people down and they are just innocent bystanders helpless to do anything about it.

this is BS, the Bass stated that the racial politics of the past have and still do play a part in what we see today, which is why a lot of whites are so quick to dismiss the sins and actions and or downplay them as having no significance today, but its undeniable that they do have an effect, to deny it is to stick your head in the sand. Nevertheless, the Bass stated that regardless of the conditions blacks cannot and should use that as an excuse to succeed and do better which implies that some do not strive for better.

On a linear note, do you really think that whites in America have obtained their higher social and economic status strictly through hard work and stress education without doing absolutely anything wrong to obtain it and that it was all honest? lest you forget, blacks and whites in America have *NOT* lived equally in as far as equality is concerned when one looks at the total time both has been in America. Whites did not have to endure slavery, Jim Crow laws, the terror of the KKK and being lynched, redlining, denial of equal suffrage, discrimination in housing and other racially restrictive policies that stunt advancement like blacks have and 50 years of so called Civil Rights is not going to completely fix the problem and make the sins of the past completely irrelevant today.

So the Irish and the Poles and the Italians and the Catholics were not white? How about the Germans? May want to do a little more research this time with your race blinders off.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Statistics are ALL over the web, you are dismissed as a racist that is part and parcel of the problem. Deny reality all you want, won't change what reality IS.

Post statistics that stated without question that blacks teach and stress all those negative things you stated. Stats don't tell the entire story, for by that logic those stats would imply that most or nearly all blacks are immoral while nearly or most whites are not, but how would you know that?

Kitten I suggest you reread what "the bass" is saying. He is in fact claiming that whites keep "his" people down and they are just innocent bystanders helpless to do anything about it.

this is BS, the Bass stated that the racial politics of the past have and still do play a part in what we see today, which is why a lot of whites are so quick to dismiss the sins and actions and or downplay them as having no significance today, but its undeniable that they do have an effect, to deny it is to stick your head in the sand. Nevertheless, the Bass stated that regardless of the conditions blacks cannot and should use that as an excuse to succeed and do better which implies that some do not strive for better.

On a linear note, do you really think that whites in America have obtained their higher social and economic status strictly through hard work and stress education without doing absolutely anything wrong to obtain it and that it was all honest? lest you forget, blacks and whites in America have *NOT* lived equally in as far as equality is concerned when one looks at the total time both has been in America. Whites did not have to endure slavery, Jim Crow laws, the terror of the KKK and being lynched, redlining, denial of equal suffrage, discrimination in housing and other racially restrictive policies that stunt advancement like blacks have and 50 years of so called Civil Rights is not going to completely fix the problem and make the sins of the past completely irrelevant today.

So the Irish and the Poles and the Italians and the Catholics were not white? How about the Germans? May want to do a little more research this time with your race blinders off.

Irish, Poles and catholics didn't go through all the same things and you know, did any of them come here as slaves first, became free after hundreds of years and go through the same things? Its no comparison. Far left and far right nutters and those who sympathize with them always like to blame everyone but themselves even when the obvious indicates otherwise.


People like you are the reason why there has been no real progressive talk about race, you're already programmed to think and blame everything on someone else. There will be no progression unless the oppressed do a better job of rising up above the conditions and also unless those who oppress and their sympathizers acknowledge that past policies as well as policies today was and still are a part of the problem. If both sides ignore this progress will be stunted.