distance to the nearest star

[trevorjohnson83]

to me five light days to the closest star makes a lot more sense then 4 light years. but I'm here for the arguement

if the sun goes from its full size to its apparent size in 8 light minutes distance, estimate the distance to a star based on the ratio.

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To estimate the distance to a star based on the ratio of the Sun's full size to its apparent size at 8 light minutes, we can follow these steps:

Step 1: Calculate the Sun's Angular Size​

1. 
   
2. Diameter of the Sun: Approximately 1.4×106 km1.4 \times 10^6 \text{ km}1.4×106 km.
3. 
   
4. Distance from the Sun to Earth (1 AU): Approximately 150×106 km150 \times 10^6 \text{ km}150×106 km.
5. 
   
6. Calculate the angular size of the Sun from Earth:
   Angular SizeSun=Diameter of the SunDistance from the Sun=1.4×106 km150×106 km≈0.0093 radians\text{Angular Size}_{\text{Sun}} = \frac{\text{Diameter of the Sun}}{\text{Distance from the Sun}} = \frac{1.4 \times 10^6 \text{ km}}{150 \times 10^6 \text{ km}} \approx 0.0093 \text{ radians}Angular SizeSun=Distance from the SunDiameter of the Sun=150×106 km1.4×106 km≈0.0093 radians

Step 2: Distance to the Star​

1. 
   
2. Distance corresponding to 8 light minutes:
   • 
     
   • Light travels 299,792 km/s299,792 \text{ km/s}299,792 km/s.
   • 
     
   • In 8 minutes (480 seconds):
   Distance8 min=299,792 km/s×480 s≈143,999,360 km≈144×106 km\text{Distance}_{\text{8 min}} = 299,792 \text{ km/s} \times 480 \text{ s} \approx 143,999,360 \text{ km} \approx 144 \times 10^6 \text{ km}Distance8 min=299,792 km/s×480 s≈143,999,360 km≈144×106 km
3. 
   
4. Calculate the angular size of the Sun at this distance:
   Angular Size8 min=Diameter of the SunDistance8 min=1.4×106 km144×106 km≈0.00972 radians\text{Angular Size}{\text{8 min}} = \frac{\text{Diameter of the Sun}}{\text{Distance}{\text{8 min}}} = \frac{1.4 \times 10^6 \text{ km}}{144 \times 10^6 \text{ km}} \approx 0.00972 \text{ radians}Angular Size8 min=Distance8 minDiameter of the Sun=144×106 km1.4×106 km≈0.00972 radians

Step 3: Ratio Calculation​

• 
  
• The angular size of the Sun from Earth is approximately 0.00930.00930.0093 radians, and from 8 light minutes, it is approximately 0.009720.009720.00972 radians. The ratio of these sizes gives an estimation of the distance to a star:

Ratio=Angular SizeSunAngular Size8 min≈0.00930.00972≈0.958\text{Ratio} = \frac{\text{Angular Size}{\text{Sun}}}{\text{Angular Size}{\text{8 min}}} \approx \frac{0.0093}{0.00972} \approx 0.958Ratio=Angular Size8 minAngular SizeSun≈0.009720.0093≈0.958

Step 4: Estimate Distance to a Star​

If we consider the distance to the Sun (1 AU) as a baseline for angular size, the estimated distance to a star can be calculated by scaling it based on the ratio of the angular sizes:
Distance to Star≈Distance8 minRatio≈144 million km0.958≈150.5 million km\text{Distance to Star} \approx \frac{\text{Distance}_{\text{8 min}}}{\text{Ratio}} \approx \frac{144 \text{ million km}}{0.958} \approx 150.5 \text{ million km}Distance to Star≈RatioDistance8 min≈0.958144 million km≈150.5 million km

Step 5: Convert to Light-Years​

Using the conversion 1 light-year≈9.461×1012 km1 \text{ light-year} \approx 9.461 \times 10^{12} \text{ km}1 light-year≈9.461×1012 km:
Distance to Star in Light-Years=150.5×106 km9.461×1012 km/light-year≈0.0000159 light-years≈0.0159 light-years\text{Distance to Star in Light-Years} = \frac{150.5 \times 10^6 \text{ km}}{9.461 \times 10^{12} \text{ km/light-year}} \approx 0.0000159 \text{ light-years} \approx 0.0159 \text{ light-years}Distance to Star in Light-Years=9.461×1012 km/light-year150.5×106 km≈0.0000159 light-years≈0.0159 light-years

Conclusion​

Based on the angular sizes of the Sun from its full size and its apparent size from 8 light minutes, the estimated distance to a star would be approximately 0.0159 light-years. If you have further questions or need additional calculations, feel free to ask!

how many light days is .0159 light years?

Assistant
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To convert light-years to light-days, we can use the fact that there are approximately 365.25 days in a year.

Conversion Steps​

1. 
   
2. Calculate the number of light-days in one light-year:
   1 light-year≈365.25 light-days1 \text{ light-year} \approx 365.25 \text{ light-days}1 light-year≈365.25 light-days
3. 
   
4. Convert 0.0159 light-years to light-days:
   Light-Days=0.0159 light-years×365.25 light-days/light-year\text{Light-Days} = 0.0159 \text{ light-years} \times 365.25 \text{ light-days/light-year}Light-Days=0.0159 light-years×365.25 light-days/light-year
   Light-Days≈5.8 light-days\text{Light-Days} \approx 5.8 \text{ light-days}Light-Days≈5.8 light-days

Conclusion​

0.0159 light-years is approximately 5.8 light-days. If you have any more questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask!if the sun goes from its full size to its apparent size in 8 light minutes distance, estimate the distance to a star based on the ratio.
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[TroglocratsRdumb]

how many inches?

 

[Darkwind]

4mm. Eight if you count both eyes.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

how far has the furthest out space device reached as of today?

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As of today, the furthest human-made object from Earth is the Voyager 1 spacecraft. Launched by NASA on September 5, 1977, Voyager 1 has traveled beyond the solar system and into interstellar space.

Current Distance​

As of 2023, Voyager 1 is approximately 14.8 billion miles (about 23.8 billion kilometers) from Earth, which is around 0.0024 light-years away.

Key Facts​

• Mission Objectives: Voyager 1 was originally designed to study the outer planets, including Jupiter and Saturn, and it has since continued to send back data about cosmic rays and the interstellar medium.
• Status: Voyager 1 is still operational and continues to send scientific data back to Earth, although its communication capabilities are diminishing as it moves further from the Sun.

If you have any more questions or need further details, feel free to ask!


how many light days in .0024 ly?

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Poe


To convert light-years to light-days, we can use the fact that there are approximately 365.25 days in a year.

Conversion Steps​

1. Calculate the number of light-days in one light-year:
   
   1 light-year≈365.25 light-days1 \text{ light-year} \approx 365.25 \text{ light-days}1 light-year≈365.25 light-days
2. Convert 0.0024 light-years to light-days:
   
   Light-Days=0.0024 light-years×365.25 light-days/light-year\text{Light-Days} = 0.0024 \text{ light-years} \times 365.25 \text{ light-days/light-year}Light-Days=0.0024 light-years×365.25 light-days/light-year
   Light-Days≈0.8766 light-days\text{Light-Days} \approx 0.8766 \text{ light-days}Light-Days≈0.8766 light-days

Conclusion​

0.0024 light-years is approximately 0.877 light-days. If you have any more questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask!

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

The distance to other planets is too great for extraterrestrials to ever travel to earth, and for us to ever travel to other inhabitable planets.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

The distance to other planets is too great for extraterrestrials to ever travel to earth, and for us to ever travel to other inhabitable planets.

thats using big bang math. voyager has been flying for 50 years about.... what if we re use rocket fuel with the telescope and the sun as a fuel source to convert old rocket fuel back to fuel again? I think the onboard telescope could propel and keep the computer warm enough to function during the trip? might need some battery power as well?

 

[Meister]

The distance to other planets is too great for extraterrestrials to ever travel to earth, and for us to ever travel to other inhabitable planets.

Not if you know where the portals/worm holes are. Too bad Einstein didn't live
longer than he did. Some of his theories have become facts.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Not if you know where the portals/worm holes are. Too bad Einstein didn't live
longer than he did. Some of his theories have become facts.

Add in more dimensions... and whoah.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

The distance to other planets is too great for extraterrestrials to ever travel to earth, and for us to ever travel to other inhabitable planets.

More likely the reason the paradox exist of where is everyone when there is soooo many possibilities of advanced life - is the great filter theory.
I like it, it solves a lot of the problems of this seemingly impossible paradox.

The Great Filter: A possible solution to the Fermi Paradox

There are many major hurdles to becoming an interplanetary species, but one might be tougher than the rest.

www.astronomy.com

And the final filter that stops life from becoming interplanetary let alone intergalactic is a sad one. And most likely will end our species before we can.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

More likely the reason the paradox exist of where is everyone when there is soooo many possibilities of advanced life - is the great filter theory.
I like it, it solves a lot of the problems of this seemingly impossible paradox.

The Great Filter: A possible solution to the Fermi Paradox

There are many major hurdles to becoming an interplanetary species, but one might be tougher than the rest.

www.astronomy.com

And the final filter that stops life from becoming interplanetary let alone intergalactic is a sad one. And most likely will end our species before we can.

could be the reason we haven't heard from other life is because they modulate their signals into weight and sound for better performance and we haven't figured out their tech yet? meaning they are here, could be their space craft that people see? probably unmanned?

 

[Donald H]

to me five light days to the closest star makes a lot more sense then 4 light years. but I'm here for the arguement

if the sun goes from its full size to its apparent size in 8 light minutes distance, estimate the distance to a star based on the ratio.
Assistant
Poe

To estimate the distance to a star based on the ratio of the Sun's full size to its apparent size at 8 light minutes, we can follow these steps:

Step 1: Calculate the Sun's Angular Size​

1. 
   
2. Diameter of the Sun: Approximately 1.4×106 km1.4 \times 10^6 \text{ km}1.4×106 km.
3. 
   
4. Distance from the Sun to Earth (1 AU): Approximately 150×106 km150 \times 10^6 \text{ km}150×106 km.
5. 
   
6. Calculate the angular size of the Sun from Earth:
   Angular SizeSun=Diameter of the SunDistance from the Sun=1.4×106 km150×106 km≈0.0093 radians\text{Angular Size}_{\text{Sun}} = \frac{\text{Diameter of the Sun}}{\text{Distance from the Sun}} = \frac{1.4 \times 10^6 \text{ km}}{150 \times 10^6 \text{ km}} \approx 0.0093 \text{ radians}Angular SizeSun=Distance from the SunDiameter of the Sun=150×106 km1.4×106 km≈0.0093 radians

Step 2: Distance to the Star​

1. 
   
2. Distance corresponding to 8 light minutes:
   • 
     
   • Light travels 299,792 km/s299,792 \text{ km/s}299,792 km/s.
   • 
     
   • In 8 minutes (480 seconds):
   Distance8 min=299,792 km/s×480 s≈143,999,360 km≈144×106 km\text{Distance}_{\text{8 min}} = 299,792 \text{ km/s} \times 480 \text{ s} \approx 143,999,360 \text{ km} \approx 144 \times 10^6 \text{ km}Distance8 min=299,792 km/s×480 s≈143,999,360 km≈144×106 km
3. 
   
4. Calculate the angular size of the Sun at this distance:
   Angular Size8 min=Diameter of the SunDistance8 min=1.4×106 km144×106 km≈0.00972 radians\text{Angular Size}{\text{8 min}} = \frac{\text{Diameter of the Sun}}{\text{Distance}{\text{8 min}}} = \frac{1.4 \times 10^6 \text{ km}}{144 \times 10^6 \text{ km}} \approx 0.00972 \text{ radians}Angular Size8 min=Distance8 minDiameter of the Sun=144×106 km1.4×106 km≈0.00972 radians

Step 3: Ratio Calculation​

• 
  
• The angular size of the Sun from Earth is approximately 0.00930.00930.0093 radians, and from 8 light minutes, it is approximately 0.009720.009720.00972 radians. The ratio of these sizes gives an estimation of the distance to a star:

Ratio=Angular SizeSunAngular Size8 min≈0.00930.00972≈0.958\text{Ratio} = \frac{\text{Angular Size}{\text{Sun}}}{\text{Angular Size}{\text{8 min}}} \approx \frac{0.0093}{0.00972} \approx 0.958Ratio=Angular Size8 minAngular SizeSun≈0.009720.0093≈0.958

Step 4: Estimate Distance to a Star​

If we consider the distance to the Sun (1 AU) as a baseline for angular size, the estimated distance to a star can be calculated by scaling it based on the ratio of the angular sizes:
Distance to Star≈Distance8 minRatio≈144 million km0.958≈150.5 million km\text{Distance to Star} \approx \frac{\text{Distance}_{\text{8 min}}}{\text{Ratio}} \approx \frac{144 \text{ million km}}{0.958} \approx 150.5 \text{ million km}Distance to Star≈RatioDistance8 min≈0.958144 million km≈150.5 million km

Step 5: Convert to Light-Years​

Using the conversion 1 light-year≈9.461×1012 km1 \text{ light-year} \approx 9.461 \times 10^{12} \text{ km}1 light-year≈9.461×1012 km:
Distance to Star in Light-Years=150.5×106 km9.461×1012 km/light-year≈0.0000159 light-years≈0.0159 light-years\text{Distance to Star in Light-Years} = \frac{150.5 \times 10^6 \text{ km}}{9.461 \times 10^{12} \text{ km/light-year}} \approx 0.0000159 \text{ light-years} \approx 0.0159 \text{ light-years}Distance to Star in Light-Years=9.461×1012 km/light-year150.5×106 km≈0.0000159 light-years≈0.0159 light-years

Conclusion​

Based on the angular sizes of the Sun from its full size and its apparent size from 8 light minutes, the estimated distance to a star would be approximately 0.0159 light-years. If you have further questions or need additional calculations, feel free to ask!

how many light days is .0159 light years?
Assistant
Poe

To convert light-years to light-days, we can use the fact that there are approximately 365.25 days in a year.

Conversion Steps​

1. 
   
2. Calculate the number of light-days in one light-year:
   1 light-year≈365.25 light-days1 \text{ light-year} \approx 365.25 \text{ light-days}1 light-year≈365.25 light-days
3. 
   
4. Convert 0.0159 light-years to light-days:
   Light-Days=0.0159 light-years×365.25 light-days/light-year\text{Light-Days} = 0.0159 \text{ light-years} \times 365.25 \text{ light-days/light-year}Light-Days=0.0159 light-years×365.25 light-days/light-year
   Light-Days≈5.8 light-days\text{Light-Days} \approx 5.8 \text{ light-days}Light-Days≈5.8 light-days

Conclusion​

0.0159 light-years is approximately 5.8 light-days. If you have any more questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask!if the sun goes from its full size to its apparent size in 8 light minutes distance, estimate the distance to a star based on the ratio.
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Just curious to know what you use for a baseline distance? And maybe too, how you got it?

 

[trevorjohnson83]

Just curious to know what you use for a baseline distance? And maybe too, how you got it?

8 light minutes to the sun, ?

 

[Donald H]

8 light minutes to the sun, ?

No. 8.000000000X minutes maybe, but how did you get that?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

could be the reason we haven't heard from other life is because they modulate their signals into weight and sound for better performance and we haven't figured out their tech yet? meaning they are here, could be their space craft that people see? probably unmanned?

Also possible, but I feel more unlikely than the filter(s) theory.
Mostly that once life industrializes, numerous situations play out such as over industrialization, wars, and - you know - we just had our first... intelligently designed viruses among others that can wipe out civilizations.
Most believe, I do as well, that in order for a species to get to inter-planetary and especially inter-galactic advances - they had to cooperate as a whole species. That is an unlikely reality sadly.

 

[1srelluc]

I used to find that stuff interesting but given there is shit all I can do if something cosmic goes sideways I lost interest.

The closest stars to us are the Alpha Centauri triple-star system which is about 4.37 light-years away so unless someone figures out how to fold space it's all a waste of effort.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Launched by NASA on September 5, 1977, Voyager 1 has traveled beyond the solar system and into interstellar space

False news

 

[ReinyDays]

The cotangent of angle p is distance in AU's ...

Parallax - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'll be embarrassed for you ...

 

[trevorjohnson83]

at 5 light days, we would definitely get 5 day old messages, unless we oscillate a weight and modulate waves into a gravity field as a medium. This is where Einstein is important, he said that probably a gravity field since its not the same as light traversing, that the edges of gravity fields could mean communication with these guys 5 days away and probably keep up with them faster then 5 light days? to which Ned responded, yep!

 

[trevorjohnson83]

it shouldn't be a calculation it should be known how many times you have to focus in to see the stars of Andromeda one inch apart?
8:03 PM

Assistant
Poe
To see the stars in the Andromeda Galaxy appear one inch apart, you typically need to focus in about 100 times. This estimate is based on the level of detail achieved in high-resolution images of Andromeda, where the distances between stars become visually discernible at that magnification level.
This approximation allows astronomers and astrophotographers to capture the intricate structure of the galaxy while resolving individual stars clearly. If you have further questions or need additional details, feel free to ask!
8:03 PM
so by that calculation Andromeda is 100 times 5 light days across. how many light years is that? what would be its distance based on its apparent size alone?
8:05 PM
Assistant
Poe
To determine the distance across the Andromeda Galaxy based on the assumption that it is 100 times 6 light-days across, we can follow these steps:

Calculation Steps​

1. Calculate Total Distance:
   • If Andromeda is 100 times 6 light-days:
   Total Distance=100×6 light-days=600 light-days\text{Total Distance} = 100 \times 6 \, \text{light-days} = 600 \, \text{light-days}Total Distance=100×6light-days=600light-days
2. Convert Light-Days to Light-Years:
   • Since there are about 365.25 days in a year, we can convert light-days to light-years:
   Total Distance in Light-Years=600 light-days365.25 days/light-year≈1.64 light-years\text{Total Distance in Light-Years} = \frac{600 \, \text{light-days}}{365.25 \, \text{days/light-year}} \approx 1.64 \, \text{light-years}Total Distance in Light-Years=365.25days/light-year600light-days≈1.64light-years

Conclusion​

Based on the apparent size assumption and the calculation, the distance across the Andromeda Galaxy would be approximately 1.64 light-years if it were measured as 100 times the distance of 6 light-days.
If you have any further questions or need clarification, feel free to ask!
8:05 PM
how far away would Andromeda be based on its 1.64 ly diameter and its apparent size in the sky?
8:06 PM

Assistant
Poe
To estimate how far away the Andromeda Galaxy would be based on a diameter of 1.64 light-years and its apparent size in the sky, we can use the formula for angular size. The formula relates the physical size of an object, its distance, and its angular size:

Formula for Angular Size​

Angular Size=Physical SizeDistance\text{Angular Size} = \frac{\text{Physical Size}}{\text{Distance}}Angular Size=DistancePhysical Size

Rearranging the Formula​

To find the distance based on the angular size, we can rearrange the formula:
Distance=Physical SizeAngular Size\text{Distance} = \frac{\text{Physical Size}}{\text{Angular Size}}Distance=Angular SizePhysical Size

Angular Size of Andromeda​

The Andromeda Galaxy has an angular size of about 3 degrees in the sky. To use this in calculations, we need to convert degrees to radians:
Angular Size in Radians=Degrees×(π radians180∘)≈3×(π180)≈0.0524 radians\text{Angular Size in Radians} = \text{Degrees} \times \left(\frac{\pi \, \text{radians}}{180^\circ}\right) \approx 3 \times \left(\frac{\pi}{180}\right) \approx 0.0524 \, \text{radians}Angular Size in Radians=Degrees×(180∘πradians)≈3×(180π)≈0.0524radians

Calculate Distance​

Now we can calculate the distance using the physical size (1.64 light-years):
Distance=1.64 light-years0.0524≈31.3 light-years\text{Distance} = \frac{1.64 \, \text{light-years}}{0.0524} \approx 31.3 \, \text{light-years}Distance=0.05241.64light-years≈31.3light-years

Conclusion​

Based on a diameter of 1.64 light-years and its apparent size in the sky, the Andromeda Galaxy would be approximately 31.3 light-years away.
If you have any further questions or need additional clarification,

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[trevorjohnson83]

nearest star: 6 light days
Andromeda: 133 light years across
distance to nearest galaxy(Andromeda): 2535 light years
estimates based on faintness and apparent size in the sky