Did you know that the USA killed +/-20% of the North Korean population in the Korean war?

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Someone mentioned on YT. I didn't know until today.

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Estimates of North Koreans killed by U.S./UN forces during the Korean War (1950–1953) range from approximately 1 million to 2.5 million, with some reports suggesting up to 20% of the population died. This includes a mix of over 200,000–900,000 civilians, along with over 800,000 soldiers.

Key Casualty Estimates

  • Total Deaths: Studies indicate 1 to 2.5 million total North Korean deaths (military and civilian).
  • Civilian Deaths: Estimates for civilians killed range from 200,000 to over 1.5 million.
  • Military Deaths: Approximately 214,000 to 316,000+ North Korean soldiers were killed, according to various estimates.
  • Population Impact: The Wilson Center reports that 1953 census data suggested a population decline, with one estimate stating 20% of the population died.

Someone should make a list of all the people the USA has killed over the years.

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It is mind boggling why any nation wouldn't want to be free and prosperous. Tyrannical leaders always fear the people, but happy, prosperous people don't revolt against beneficent leadership.
 
What percentage of the South Korean population did the North Koreans and China kill?
 
And if North Korea had been allowed to roll over the south, the entire Korean Peninsula would be a shithole today, and one of the most prosperous nations in Asia would not exist
 
What percentage of the South Korean population did the North Koreans and China kill?
Historians do not have an exact, agreed‑upon percentage, but the best mid‑range estimates put South Korean war deaths at roughly 5–7% of the South Korean population at the time, with the vast majority of these deaths caused by North Korean, Chinese, and associated communist forces, though responsibility in many individual incidents is mixed and often disputed.

How we get that rough percentage​

  • One detailed South Korean estimate puts total South Korean war dead (military plus civilians) at about 1,312,836 people during the 1950–1953 conflict.
  • A commonly cited breakdown used in memorial and educational materials is:
    • South Korean military dead: about 113,000.
    • South Korean civilian dead: about 547,000 (some sources give “about 700,000,” but 547,000 is a frequently quoted midpoint).
    • This yields roughly 660,000–800,000 clearly identified South Korean dead, and up to about 1.3 million if you include broader Korean government estimates of all war‑related deaths.
  • Estimates of the population in the territory that became South Korea around 1950 are in the 20–22 million range.
    • If you divide 660,000–800,000 deaths by ~21 million people, you get on the order of 3–4%.
    • If you use the higher Korean government estimate (around 1.3 million total dead) over ~21 million, you get around 6%.
Because of undercounting, chaos, and contested attribution during civil war conditions, many scholars treat 5–7% as a reasonable ballpark for total South Korean deaths from all war causes, of which North Korean and Chinese forces (including massacres in occupied areas and deaths from offensives) were the primary direct enemy side, alongside U.S./UN bombing and ROK security forces in some incidents.

Important caveats​

  • Responsibility is not cleanly separable:
    • Many South Korean civilians were killed by U.S./UN bombing and artillery, by South Korean state forces, and by local right‑wing and left‑wing militias, as well as by North Korean and Chinese troops.
    • A major quantitative democide study estimates that North Korean communist authorities (including in the South during occupation) killed “near 500,000 Koreans” (North and South together) by execution, massacres, and similar political violence, and suggests the true figure could be closer to 775,000. That overlapped with but did not equal all war deaths.
  • Because the data do not cleanly separate “killed by the North Koreans and Chinese” from “killed by bombing, crossfire, or South Korean forces,” no credible source can give a precise percentage of the South Korean population killed only by North Korea and China.

A reasonable way to phrase it​

Based on mid‑range estimates, something on the order of a twentieth of South Korea’s population (roughly 5%) died in the Korean War, and most of those deaths were caused by the communist side’s invasion and occupation combined with the broader conflict they initiated, but a substantial share were also caused by South Korean and U.S./UN actions, so any exact “X% killed by North Korea and China” figure would be speculative rather than firmly documented.

The question is brought up in response to this:"Estimates of North Koreans killed by U.S./UN forces during the Korean War (1950–1953) range from approximately 1 million to 2.5 million, with some reports suggesting up to 20% of the population died. This includes a mix of over 200,000–900,000 civilians, along with over 800,000 soldiers.Key Casualty EstimatesTotal Deaths: Studies indicate 1 to 2.5 million total North Korean deaths (military and civilian).Civilian Deaths: Estimates for civilians killed range from 200,000 to over 1.5 million.Military Deaths: Approximately 214,000 to 316,000+ North Korean soldiers were killed, according to various estimates.Population Impact: The Wilson Center reports that 1953 census data suggested a population decline, with one estimate stating 20% of the population died."

The “20% of the population” figure you quoted is about North Korea’s own wartime losses, and it does not imply anything close to that scale for South Korea.

For South Korea, mainstream historical demography points to something like this:

  • Pre‑war South Korean population (c. 1950): about 20–21 million people.
  • South Korean war deaths (military + civilian): roughly on the order of 1.5–1.7 million, according to Korean demographic studies that count all war‑related deaths on southern territory between 1950–1953 (battle deaths, massacres, executions, bombing, starvation, disease, etc.).
  • That works out to something on the order of 7–8% of the South Korean population dying during the war.
Two crucial differences from the “20% of North Korea died” claim:

  1. Attribution is murky for the South.
    • A large share of South Korean deaths were caused by North Korean and Chinese military operations (invasion, occupation, massacres, executions, front‑line fighting).
    • But a substantial fraction were also caused by:
      • U.S./UN bombing and artillery on southern territory
      • South Korean state security forces and right‑wing militias (political killings, “red” purges)
      • Left‑wing guerrillas and internal civil‑war‑type violence
        Because records are incomplete and politically charged, historians cannot cleanly separate “killed by North Korea and China” from “killed by other causes” within that 7–8%.
  2. The North’s losses were proportionally higher.
    • North Korea had a smaller population (about 9–10 million).
    • It bore the brunt of a sustained strategic bombing campaign, plus mass refugee flows and severe famine conditions.
    • That is where the “up to 20% of the population died” estimates come from — a much higher share than in the South.
So, if you want a reasonably honest comparison:

  • North Korea: on the order of 15–20% of its population killed during the war (all causes), with the bulk of direct kinetic violence coming from U.S./UN bombing and combat operations on northern territory.
  • South Korea: on the order of 7–8% of its population killed during the war (all causes), with North Korea and China being the main enemy side, but with a very large and non‑trivial share of deaths caused by South Korean and U.S./UN actions and by internal political violence.
Because we can’t rigorously disentangle who killed exactly whom in every category (e.g., a civilian who dies in a battle zone or under bombardment triggered by an offensive), any precise statement like “North Korea and China killed X% of the South Korean population” is more polemical than evidentiary. A fair characterization is:

  • The Korean War killed roughly one in twelve South Koreans.
  • North Korean and Chinese invasion and occupation were a major driver of this, but not the sole or cleanly quantifiable cause.
 
Historians do not have an exact, agreed‑upon percentage, but the best mid‑range estimates put South Korean war deaths at roughly 5–7% of the South Korean population at the time, with the vast majority of these deaths caused by North Korean, Chinese, and associated communist forces, though responsibility in many individual incidents is mixed and often disputed.

How we get that rough percentage​

  • One detailed South Korean estimate puts total South Korean war dead (military plus civilians) at about 1,312,836 people during the 1950–1953 conflict.
  • A commonly cited breakdown used in memorial and educational materials is:
    • South Korean military dead: about 113,000.
    • South Korean civilian dead: about 547,000 (some sources give “about 700,000,” but 547,000 is a frequently quoted midpoint).
    • This yields roughly 660,000–800,000 clearly identified South Korean dead, and up to about 1.3 million if you include broader Korean government estimates of all war‑related deaths.
  • Estimates of the population in the territory that became South Korea around 1950 are in the 20–22 million range.
    • If you divide 660,000–800,000 deaths by ~21 million people, you get on the order of 3–4%.
    • If you use the higher Korean government estimate (around 1.3 million total dead) over ~21 million, you get around 6%.
Because of undercounting, chaos, and contested attribution during civil war conditions, many scholars treat 5–7% as a reasonable ballpark for total South Korean deaths from all war causes, of which North Korean and Chinese forces (including massacres in occupied areas and deaths from offensives) were the primary direct enemy side, alongside U.S./UN bombing and ROK security forces in some incidents.

Important caveats​

  • Responsibility is not cleanly separable:
    • Many South Korean civilians were killed by U.S./UN bombing and artillery, by South Korean state forces, and by local right‑wing and left‑wing militias, as well as by North Korean and Chinese troops.
    • A major quantitative democide study estimates that North Korean communist authorities (including in the South during occupation) killed “near 500,000 Koreans” (North and South together) by execution, massacres, and similar political violence, and suggests the true figure could be closer to 775,000. That overlapped with but did not equal all war deaths.
  • Because the data do not cleanly separate “killed by the North Koreans and Chinese” from “killed by bombing, crossfire, or South Korean forces,” no credible source can give a precise percentage of the South Korean population killed only by North Korea and China.

A reasonable way to phrase it​

Based on mid‑range estimates, something on the order of a twentieth of South Korea’s population (roughly 5%) died in the Korean War, and most of those deaths were caused by the communist side’s invasion and occupation combined with the broader conflict they initiated, but a substantial share were also caused by South Korean and U.S./UN actions, so any exact “X% killed by North Korea and China” figure would be speculative rather than firmly documented.

The question is brought up in response to this:"Estimates of North Koreans killed by U.S./UN forces during the Korean War (1950–1953) range from approximately 1 million to 2.5 million, with some reports suggesting up to 20% of the population died. This includes a mix of over 200,000–900,000 civilians, along with over 800,000 soldiers.Key Casualty EstimatesTotal Deaths: Studies indicate 1 to 2.5 million total North Korean deaths (military and civilian).Civilian Deaths: Estimates for civilians killed range from 200,000 to over 1.5 million.Military Deaths: Approximately 214,000 to 316,000+ North Korean soldiers were killed, according to various estimates.Population Impact: The Wilson Center reports that 1953 census data suggested a population decline, with one estimate stating 20% of the population died."

The “20% of the population” figure you quoted is about North Korea’s own wartime losses, and it does not imply anything close to that scale for South Korea.

For South Korea, mainstream historical demography points to something like this:

  • Pre‑war South Korean population (c. 1950): about 20–21 million people.
  • South Korean war deaths (military + civilian): roughly on the order of 1.5–1.7 million, according to Korean demographic studies that count all war‑related deaths on southern territory between 1950–1953 (battle deaths, massacres, executions, bombing, starvation, disease, etc.).
  • That works out to something on the order of 7–8% of the South Korean population dying during the war.
Two crucial differences from the “20% of North Korea died” claim:

  1. Attribution is murky for the South.
    • A large share of South Korean deaths were caused by North Korean and Chinese military operations (invasion, occupation, massacres, executions, front‑line fighting).
    • But a substantial fraction were also caused by:
      • U.S./UN bombing and artillery on southern territory
      • South Korean state security forces and right‑wing militias (political killings, “red” purges)
      • Left‑wing guerrillas and internal civil‑war‑type violence
        Because records are incomplete and politically charged, historians cannot cleanly separate “killed by North Korea and China” from “killed by other causes” within that 7–8%.
  2. The North’s losses were proportionally higher.
    • North Korea had a smaller population (about 9–10 million).
    • It bore the brunt of a sustained strategic bombing campaign, plus mass refugee flows and severe famine conditions.
    • That is where the “up to 20% of the population died” estimates come from — a much higher share than in the South.
So, if you want a reasonably honest comparison:

  • North Korea: on the order of 15–20% of its population killed during the war (all causes), with the bulk of direct kinetic violence coming from U.S./UN bombing and combat operations on northern territory.
  • South Korea: on the order of 7–8% of its population killed during the war (all causes), with North Korea and China being the main enemy side, but with a very large and non‑trivial share of deaths caused by South Korean and U.S./UN actions and by internal political violence.
Because we can’t rigorously disentangle who killed exactly whom in every category (e.g., a civilian who dies in a battle zone or under bombardment triggered by an offensive), any precise statement like “North Korea and China killed X% of the South Korean population” is more polemical than evidentiary. A fair characterization is:

  • The Korean War killed roughly one in twelve South Koreans.
  • North Korean and Chinese invasion and occupation were a major driver of this, but not the sole or cleanly quantifiable cause.
Thank you Dr. ChatGPT.
 
Someone mentioned on YT. I didn't know until today.

AI
Estimates of North Koreans killed by U.S./UN forces during the Korean War (1950–1953) range from approximately 1 million to 2.5 million, with some reports suggesting up to 20% of the population died. This includes a mix of over 200,000–900,000 civilians, along with over 800,000 soldiers.

Key Casualty Estimates

  • Total Deaths: Studies indicate 1 to 2.5 million total North Korean deaths (military and civilian).
  • Civilian Deaths: Estimates for civilians killed range from 200,000 to over 1.5 million.
  • Military Deaths: Approximately 214,000 to 316,000+ North Korean soldiers were killed, according to various estimates.
  • Population Impact: The Wilson Center reports that 1953 census data suggested a population decline, with one estimate stating 20% of the population died.

Someone should make a list of all the people the USA has killed over the years.

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It was a war, and NK attacked South Korea.... so why did you only post the deaths of North Koreans and North Korean military? why did you not mention South Koreans killed or allied soldiers?
 
Obviously we didn't kill enough of them; the Little Dictator is still alive and slinging missiles around and protected by the Red Chinese.
 
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