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It's telling you that you are going to have healthcare one way or another.....a year ago it wasn't.....sheeshDoes our federal government need to be so strong that it can tell and individual how to live his/her life? This is what is beginning to happen with healthcare, and now our salt intake?
Where will this stop?
How is the government telling me how to live my life with the health care bill?
It's telling you that you are going to have healthcare one way or another.....a year ago it wasn't.....sheeshHow is the government telling me how to live my life with the health care bill?
Ok. I'm also going to have an interstate highway system one way or another - whether I like it or not, and I'm forced to pay for it with my tax dollars under penalty of law. Is that government controlling my life?
Somewhat agree, to the point where the original intent was made beyond clear, when spelled out in clear concise English, in the Federalist and Anti-federalist papers....At that point the original intent argument is pretty rock-solid.Weak?
No. They had the Articles of Confederation and could have stayed with that if they wanted a weak government. They met initially to fix the Articles because they knew that the Articles had serious flaws.
Dude makes a good point in this thread though. The Founders were not some homogeneous group think. They had differing opinions on almost any topic that came up during the day, so it isn't really possible to talk about the opinion of that group as a whole. That's part of the reason that the whole "Original Intent" agrument is typically bunk.
But one thing is clear: They knew the Articles, which provided a very weak central government, needed work.
It's telling you that you are going to have healthcare one way or another.....a year ago it wasn't.....sheeshHow is the government telling me how to live my life with the health care bill?
Ok. I'm also going to have an interstate highway system one way or another - whether I like it or not, and I'm forced to pay for it with my tax dollars under penalty of law. Is that government controlling my life?
It's telling you that you are going to have healthcare one way or another.....a year ago it wasn't.....sheesh
Ok. I'm also going to have an interstate highway system one way or another - whether I like it or not, and I'm forced to pay for it with my tax dollars under penalty of law. Is that government controlling my life?
Your talking about infrastructure and healthcare? Am I getting that right?
Limited and enumerated powers that were specifically granted along with the stipulation that those powers not granted to the fed are reserved for the states and individuals.... while not 'weak' the founders clearly sought to limit the powers of the fed... unlike what left wingers believe
Yet ironically in the other thread you are arguing that the federal government has the power to infringe on or take away my right to travel, despite there being no such enumerated power in the Constitution.
It's telling you that you are going to have healthcare one way or another.....a year ago it wasn't.....sheesh
Ok. I'm also going to have an interstate highway system one way or another - whether I like it or not, and I'm forced to pay for it with my tax dollars under penalty of law. Is that government controlling my life?
Another ridiculous premise.
Ok. I'm also going to have an interstate highway system one way or another - whether I like it or not, and I'm forced to pay for it with my tax dollars under penalty of law. Is that government controlling my life?
Another ridiculous premise.
Soggy, you may not realize this, but the highway system costs money. And in FACT, that money is FORCIBLY taken from people, whether they want to or not, and whether they use the system or not, to pay for it.
Fatally flawed example.Ok. I'm also going to have an interstate highway system one way or another - whether I like it or not, and I'm forced to pay for it with my tax dollars under penalty of law. Is that government controlling my life?
Another ridiculous premise.
Soggy, you may not realize this, but the highway system costs money. And in FACT, that money is FORCIBLY taken from people, whether they want to or not, and whether they use the system or not, to pay for it.
Weak?
No. They had the Articles of Confederation and could have stayed with that if they wanted a weak government. They met initially to fix the Articles because they knew that the Articles had serious flaws.
Dude makes a good point in this thread though. The Founders were not some homogeneous group think. They had differing opinions on almost any topic that came up during the day, so it isn't really possible to talk about the opinion of that group as a whole. That's part of the reason that the whole "Original Intent" agrument is typically bunk.
But one thing is clear: They knew the Articles, which provided a very weak central government, needed work.
That's the nuttiest fan dance I've seen an quite awhile.Limited and enumerated powers that were specifically granted along with the stipulation that those powers not granted to the fed are reserved for the states and individuals.... while not 'weak' the founders clearly sought to limit the powers of the fed... unlike what left wingers believe
Yet ironically in the other thread you are arguing that the federal government has the power to infringe on or take away my right to travel, despite there being no such enumerated power in the Constitution.
In very LIMITED restrictions, yes it does (under the other powers it is granted... and don't forget the states have their own individual constitutions)... you generally have the freedom to travel, though it is not a right (only very few actual 'rights' are laid out in the constitution)
And please remember that what I was arguing is that travel is not a right but an enjoyed freedom which is generally protected.... big difference from what you are trying to infer
Ok. I'm also going to have an interstate highway system one way or another - whether I like it or not, and I'm forced to pay for it with my tax dollars under penalty of law. Is that government controlling my life?
Your talking about infrastructure and healthcare? Am I getting that right?
Wow, you're quick.
Everyone benefits from the highway system whether they realize it (or want to realize it) or not.
I doubt that the existence of the US ighway system is seen by anyone as a controlling factor in their life.
Yet another brain dead Fabian socialist yammering point, whether you realize it (or want to realize it) or not.Everyone benefits from the highway system whether they realize it (or want to realize it) or not.
Really? Well as long as we're in the business of dictating to people what benefits them and what doesn't whether they like it or not, why not just say-
Everyone benefits from healthcare whether they realize it (or want to realize it) or not.
Yet another brain dead Fabian socialist yammering point, whether you realize it (or want to realize it) or not.Everyone benefits from the highway system whether they realize it (or want to realize it) or not.
Really? Well as long as we're in the business of dictating to people what benefits them and what doesn't whether they like it or not, why not just say-
Everyone benefits from healthcare whether they realize it (or want to realize it) or not.
Nobody is forced to buy a car or the fuel to power it.
You don't know the half of it.How much did we pay in Gasoline Taxes? Considering miles driven, it's at least a $25B.
Looks to me like drivers got shorted by 2/3 what is owed for building and maintaining our inadequate highway system.
