Did The Democrats Ever Hear of Alfred Dreyfus?

[Gdjjr]

Try to be more consistent, Gidget.

Try to be intellectually honest, sweet pea.

 

[alang1216]

You've been exposed....and an ugly sight it is.

I haven't been able to really exercise for weeks so it would by an ugly sight. Thankfully for all of us it it not true I've been exposed, just another baseless assertion.

Your efforts are duly noted:

As Republicans try to pry Jewish votes away from their traditional stronghold in the Democratic Party, they will emphasize the most divisive political issues that they wager are able to get people passionate enough to switch party loyalties—namely: Israel and anti-Semitism. This is most evident in the Orthodox community where support for Trump has manifested itself in awards to two Florida lawyers who are accused of being Rudy Giuliani’s alleged Ukrainian fixers.​

However:

The August 29 Jerusalem Post ran an article titled “Pipko to ‘Post’: Jewish Democrats are walking away,” which argued, “The Democrats have changed and so should [Jewish] support for them.” It is part of an effort carried out by Republicans before every presidential election to make Israel a wedge issue, to convince Jews to switch to supporting Republicans.​

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Polls have found that most Israelis also believe that US Jews should support President Donald Trump and other Republicans, largely because of what they perceive as their strong support for Israel. In his efforts to get US Jews to change their political allegiance, Trump has stated about Jews, “In my opinion, you vote for a Democrat, you’re being very disloyal to Jewish people, and you’re being very disloyal to Israel.”​

​

Despite these opinions and statements, the same August 29 issue of the Post carried an article, “Trump vs. Gallup: Report shows Jews will vote Dem,” which indicated that a very strong majority of US Jews (roughly 75%) are very likely to continue to vote for Democrats. ​

 

[PoliticalChic]

Try to be more consistent, Gidget.

Try to be intellectually honest, sweet pea.

What is 'intellectually dishonest' about this?



"I could be called anti semite- I could be called anti-religious too. I'm also anti-authoritarian. I'm also anti-bias."

The first part of your statement refutes the last.

Try to be more consistent, Gidget.



Try not to use your entire vocabulary in each post.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You've been exposed....and an ugly sight it is.

I haven't been able to really exercise for weeks so it would by an ugly sight. Thankfully for all of us it it not true I've been exposed, just another baseless assertion.

Your efforts are duly noted:

As Republicans try to pry Jewish votes away from their traditional stronghold in the Democratic Party, they will emphasize the most divisive political issues that they wager are able to get people passionate enough to switch party loyalties—namely: Israel and anti-Semitism. This is most evident in the Orthodox community where support for Trump has manifested itself in awards to two Florida lawyers who are accused of being Rudy Giuliani’s alleged Ukrainian fixers.​

However:

The August 29 Jerusalem Post ran an article titled “Pipko to ‘Post’: Jewish Democrats are walking away,” which argued, “The Democrats have changed and so should [Jewish] support for them.” It is part of an effort carried out by Republicans before every presidential election to make Israel a wedge issue, to convince Jews to switch to supporting Republicans.​

​

Polls have found that most Israelis also believe that US Jews should support President Donald Trump and other Republicans, largely because of what they perceive as their strong support for Israel. In his efforts to get US Jews to change their political allegiance, Trump has stated about Jews, “In my opinion, you vote for a Democrat, you’re being very disloyal to Jewish people, and you’re being very disloyal to Israel.”​

​

Despite these opinions and statements, the same August 29 issue of the Post carried an article, “Trump vs. Gallup: Report shows Jews will vote Dem,” which indicated that a very strong majority of US Jews (roughly 75%) are very likely to continue to vote for Democrats. ​

Nothing in your post addressed the statements in any of my posts.

Dreyfus was jailed because he was Jewish, and the current Democrat Party champions anti-Semitism.

Your attempts to shield the party, and/or change the subject, simply proves you to be one more of the standard issue government school grads who fears confronting evil.


I never expect more from you.

 

[alang1216]

Dreyfus was jailed because he was Jewish, and the current Democrat Party champions anti-Semitism.

The connection between Dreyfus and the Dems is nil. The fact Dreyfus was poorly treated is irrelevant so your OP is a fallacy:

Appeal to Pity (argumentum ad misericordiam)

Argumentum ad misericordiam is Latin for “argument to compassion.” Like the ad hominem fallacy above, it is a fallacy of relevance. Personal attacks, and emotional appeals, aren’t strictly relevant to whether something is true or false. In this case, the fallacy appeals to the compassion and emotional sensitivity of others when these factors are not strictly relevant to the argument. Appeals to pity often appear as emotional manipulation.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Dreyfus was jailed because he was Jewish, and the current Democrat Party champions anti-Semitism.

The connection between Dreyfus and the Dems is nil. The fact Dreyfus was poorly treated is irrelevant so your OP is a fallacy:

Appeal to Pity (argumentum ad misericordiam)

Argumentum ad misericordiam is Latin for “argument to compassion.” Like the ad hominem fallacy above, it is a fallacy of relevance. Personal attacks, and emotional appeals, aren’t strictly relevant to whether something is true or false. In this case, the fallacy appeals to the compassion and emotional sensitivity of others when these factors are not strictly relevant to the argument. Appeals to pity often appear as emotional manipulation.

"The connection between Dreyfus and the Dems is nil. "


You slaves of the Left have no compunction about lying, huh?

You'd best look the word up.

 

[alang1216]

"The connection between Dreyfus and the Dems is nil. "


You slaves of the Left have no compunction about lying, huh?

You'd best look the word up.

Did I miss the connection? Please feel free to post the link.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Omar and her ‘squad’ now speak for the Democrat Party.



An astute observer will find that her words correspond to Hussein Obama’s action.



The term ‘anti-Semite’ fits both.



... Ilhan Omar, while sitting next to Rashida Tlaib, had blamed her anti-Semitism on the Jews, claiming that they don’t let her get away with saying anti-Semitic things…"
As Liberals Embrace Anti-Semitism, Conservatives Welcome Jews


And these overt acts of anti-Semitism:

What is the only country that Obama sent paid apparatchiks to target and destabilize?


“Obama admin. sent taxpayer money to campaign to oust Netanyahu”
Obama admin. sent taxpayer money to campaign to oust Netanyahu


“During Israel’s 2015 elections, the Obama administration — led by Secretary of State John Kerry — illegally intervened when they attempted to defeat the reelection of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by covertly funneling State Department grants to opposition groups. The Obama administration detested Netanyahu due to his refusal to cave into Palestinian demands, a group that even refused to recognize the existence of Israel.”
Obama’s Meddling in Foreign Elections: Six Examples


And, of course, guaranteeing nuclear weapons to Iran, the world’s worst state sponsor of terrorism, and enemy of the Jewish state.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

“The 1890s also saw the Third Republic’s greatest political and moral crisis — the Dreyfus Affair.... By 1898 the case had become a violently divisive issue.

“Intellectuals of the left led the fight for Dreyfus, while right-wing politicians and many Roman Catholic periodicals defended the honour of the army.... In 1898 some of the army’s most persuasive documents against Dreyfus were discovered to be forgeries.... Dreyfus was again found guilty but with extenuating circumstances; he received a presidential pardon and was later (1906) vindicated by a civilian court.

“For a generation the affair left deep scars on French political and intellectual life. The Moderates, who had tried to avoid involvement in the affair and in the end had split into two warring factions, lost control to the Radicals.... Both the army and the church were seriously hurt by their role in the affair; republicans of the left were more convinced than ever that both institutions were antirepublican and hostile to the rights of man enunciated during the Revolution.... Most religious orders were dissolved and exiled, and in 1905 a new law separated church and state, thus liquidating the Concordat of 1801.”

— Encyclopedia Brittanica

The Dreyfus Affair was a terrible stain on most Conservative political parties in France; many refused to abandon their anti-Semitism even after Dreyfus was exonerated. The fight took over a decade to unravel, and the innocent patriotic Colonel Dreyfus (accused of spying for Germany) himself suffered terribly. At first even some prominent socialists were fooled by the Army High Command forgeries and hesitated to get involved. Among other things the affair contributed to the growth of Zionism in Western Europe.

 

[PoliticalChic]

“The 1890s also saw the Third Republic’s greatest political and moral crisis — the Dreyfus Affair.... By 1898 the case had become a violently divisive issue.

“Intellectuals of the left led the fight for Dreyfus, while right-wing politicians and many Roman Catholic periodicals defended the honour of the army.... In 1898 some of the army’s most persuasive documents against Dreyfus were discovered to be forgeries.... Dreyfus was again found guilty but with extenuating circumstances; he received a presidential pardon and was later (1906) vindicated by a civilian court.

“For a generation the affair left deep scars on French political and intellectual life. The Moderates, who had tried to avoid involvement in the affair and in the end had split into two warring factions, lost control to the Radicals.... Both the army and the church were seriously hurt by their role in the affair; republicans of the left were more convinced than ever that both institutions were antirepublican and hostile to the rights of man enunciated during the Revolution.... Most religious orders were dissolved and exiled, and in 1905 a new law separated church and state, thus liquidating the Concordat of 1801.”

— Encyclopedia Brittanica

The Dreyfus Affair was a terrible stain on most Conservative political parties in France; many refused to abandon their anti-Semitism even after Dreyfus was exonerated. The fight took over a decade to unravel, and the innocent patriotic Colonel Dreyfus (accused of spying for Germany) himself suffered terribly. At first even some prominent socialists were fooled by the Army High Command forgeries and hesitated to get involved. Among other things the affair contributed to the growth of Zionism in Western Europe.

It appears something irked you about the thread.

Hard to discern exactly what.

Is it that you'd like to dispute either of these facts?

a. Dreyfus was sent to prison because he was Jewish.

b. The current Democrat Party champions anti-Semitism and anti-Semites.

...but you can't?


Excellent.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

What irks me is PoliticalChic’s misuse of historical lessons to make cheap partisan points.

She asks if Democrats have ever heard of Dreyfus? Seems they know a lot more about the Dreyfus case than she does!

Jewish Democrats, in particular, see similarities between fanatic “anti-liberal” nationalism today and what happened in France during the Dreyfus Affair. That is why most will reject her demagogy about their party, and “the left” too, even as they maintain their conflicted feelings about any who express openly anti-Israeli political views. Of course RadicalChic would even denounce BERNIE SANDERS as being “anti-Semitic”!

American policies supporting Netanyahu, kowtowing to feudal Gulf Oil dictatorships, pursuing endless wars in the Middle East, ALL these policies SHOULD be challenged, by Democrats and Republicans alike. But be careful, if you do criticize them, you will almost certainly be demagogically slandered as “anti-Semitic” ... just like so many others.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What irks me is PoliticalChic’s misuse of historical lessons to make cheap partisan points.

She asks if Democrats have ever heard of Dreyfus? Seems they know a lot more about the Dreyfus case than she does!

Jewish Democrats, in particular, see similarities between fanatic “anti-liberal” nationalism today and what happened in France during the Dreyfus Affair. That is why most will reject her demagogy about their party, and “the left” too, even as they maintain their conflicted feelings about any who express openly anti-Israeli political views. Of course RadicalChic would even denounce BERNIE SANDERS of being “anti-Semitic”!

American policies supporting Netanyahu, kowtowing to feudal Gulf Oil dictatorships, pursuing endless wars in the Middle East, ALL these policies SHOULD be challenged, by Democrats and Republicans alike. But be careful, if you do criticize them, you will almost certainly be demagogically slandered as “anti-Semitic” ... just like so many others.

Glad to get under your scales.


Count on it happening again.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Nonentities like PoliticalChic think they are important, even clever. They love to puff themselves up. When they are shown to be intolerant and intellectually vapid, they resort to “I got under your skin!”

Actually PoliticalChic is just one of millions of mindless robots spewing partisan propaganda, intolerant and conservative like those who attacked Dreyfus, only now such types attack “Liberals!” or “Demonrats!” or “Atheists!” or ... whatever.

Of course reasonable people usually just ignore them. But sometimes, when they try to raise larger historical issues they don’t understand, I think it is fun and educational ... to spank them! : )

 

[PoliticalChic]

Nonentities like PoliticalChic think they are important, even clever. They love to puff themselves up. When they are shown to be intolerant and intellectually vapid, they resort to “I got under your skin!”

Actually PoliticalChic is just one of millions of mindless robots spewing partisan propaganda, intolerant and conservative like those who attacked Dreyfus, only now such types attack “Liberals!” or “Demonrats!” or “Atheists!” or ... whatever.

Of course reasonable people usually just ignore them. But sometimes, when they try to raise larger historical issues they don’t understand, I think it is fun and educational ... to spank them! : )

"Nonentities like PoliticalChic think they are important, even clever."

Guilty as charged!

Don't you want to comment on my amazing grasp of the subject?

My understated wit?

My cygnian grace?

Please don't mention my spectacular good looks (just kidding- go ahead and mention them.)

 

[Dekster]

View attachment 322865


Very much like a graph of the stock market, history has its ups and downs. If anyone imagined that the bigotry faced by Jewish officer Alfred Dreyfus marked an end to such….just look at the Democrat Party today, with its anti-Semitic agenda.



April 13th, 1895

“Alfred Dreyfus imprisoned on Devils Island

Accused of selling military secrets to Germany and convicted in an irregular trial against a backdrop of anti-Semitism, French officer Alfred Dreyfus was imprisoned this day in 1895 on Devils Island, off French Guiana.

The legal proceedings, which were based on specious evidence, were highly irregular. Although he denied his guilt and although his family consistently supported his plea of innocence, public opinion and the French press as a whole, led by its virulently anti-Semitic faction, welcomed the verdict and the sentence.”
Britannica.com




Speaking of the party being led by its virulently anti-Semitic faction,......




….”…numerous controversies already noted—such as the party’s protecting AOC and her Squad for referring to U.S. immigration detention centers as “concentration camps;” protecting Rep. Omar in the wake of a variety of anti- Zionist, anti-Semitic, and anti-American comments; running interference for Rep. Tlaib in her discussion about Israel, the Holocaust, and the Arabs; and a host of similar matters. It is a tricky balancing act for Speaker Pelosi, but more and more it seems to hinge on assuaging concerns of party progressives, and specifically Rep. Omar and her companions.

…Pelosi and the establishment see the writing on the wall. They have been unable to stymie the Squad. Now they have to coddle it, and where necessary co- opt it, and its ideas, to keep a precarious coalition together. But on top of the polit- ical risks of embracing the Squad, leadership cannot trust it. The Squad poses an existential threat because it is anathema to the establishment. ” “American Ingrate,” Weingarten

Of course. I had to suffer through reading The Dreyfus Affair in French and then Zola's J'accuse in political science a couple times.

I always respect folks who have actually read things.

So sad that our Democrat pals can't claim to have done so.

My high school's smarty pants program was pretty intense. College was nothing compared to high school. The foreign language department even did its own plays. My 4th year French class, unfortunately, decided to do a musical for that with me tragically as the male lead. Singing in a foreign language is nothing short of AWFUL.

 

[PoliticalChic]

View attachment 322865


Very much like a graph of the stock market, history has its ups and downs. If anyone imagined that the bigotry faced by Jewish officer Alfred Dreyfus marked an end to such….just look at the Democrat Party today, with its anti-Semitic agenda.



April 13th, 1895

“Alfred Dreyfus imprisoned on Devils Island

Accused of selling military secrets to Germany and convicted in an irregular trial against a backdrop of anti-Semitism, French officer Alfred Dreyfus was imprisoned this day in 1895 on Devils Island, off French Guiana.

The legal proceedings, which were based on specious evidence, were highly irregular. Although he denied his guilt and although his family consistently supported his plea of innocence, public opinion and the French press as a whole, led by its virulently anti-Semitic faction, welcomed the verdict and the sentence.”
Britannica.com




Speaking of the party being led by its virulently anti-Semitic faction,......




….”…numerous controversies already noted—such as the party’s protecting AOC and her Squad for referring to U.S. immigration detention centers as “concentration camps;” protecting Rep. Omar in the wake of a variety of anti- Zionist, anti-Semitic, and anti-American comments; running interference for Rep. Tlaib in her discussion about Israel, the Holocaust, and the Arabs; and a host of similar matters. It is a tricky balancing act for Speaker Pelosi, but more and more it seems to hinge on assuaging concerns of party progressives, and specifically Rep. Omar and her companions.

…Pelosi and the establishment see the writing on the wall. They have been unable to stymie the Squad. Now they have to coddle it, and where necessary co- opt it, and its ideas, to keep a precarious coalition together. But on top of the polit- ical risks of embracing the Squad, leadership cannot trust it. The Squad poses an existential threat because it is anathema to the establishment. ” “American Ingrate,” Weingarten

Of course. I had to suffer through reading The Dreyfus Affair in French and then Zola's J'accuse in political science a couple times.

I always respect folks who have actually read things.

So sad that our Democrat pals can't claim to have done so.

My high school's smarty pants program was pretty intense. College was nothing compared to high school. The foreign language department even did its own plays. My 4th year French class, unfortunately, decided to do a musical for that with me tragically as the male lead. Singing in a foreign language is nothing short of AWFUL.

Informative!

I wish I had a better singing voice....my college has the best fight song in the nation.....but I only hum along.

I was more math team.

 

[PoliticalChic]

No matter how irrefutable the data is on the iniquities of the Democrat Party, its supporters prove the indelibility of their indoctrination.
Appears to be some political iteration of Stockholm Syndrome.



“...liberals continued their fall down their anti-Semitic rabbit hole. Democrat darling Ilhan Omar, a repeat offender anti-Semite, declared that it is disloyal for American Jews to support Israel. (The proposition is that non-Jews can support Israel, that is okay, but for Jews to support Israel is treasonous.) This nugget of brilliance came from a woman whose best friend in Congress, Rashida Tlaib, draped herself in a Palestinian flag when she won an American election and who replaced the country of Israel with Palestine on her map as the first course of business in US Congress. Omar has never called Tlaib disloyal to America.

... Ilhan Omar, while sitting next to Rashida Tlaib, had blamed her anti-Semitism on the Jews, claiming that they don’t let her get away with saying anti-Semitic things…"
As Liberals Embrace Anti-Semitism, Conservatives Welcome Jews



“America’s Democratic Party is failing to purge from its own ranks agitators against the Jews. It’s even elevating them to important committees.

“Some of the most fashionable, high-profile progressives in the country at the moment — the leaders of the Women’s March, groundbreaking politicians celebrated for shattering glass ceilings — are the ones who hold deeply disturbing views …
We are in the early stages of an election where anti-Semitism is likely to emerge as one of the issues…”
A Pasionara Against Progressive Anti-Semitism



And who allowed this evil streak to grow in the Democrat Party?

Yup......Hussein.

 

[Dekster]

View attachment 322865


Very much like a graph of the stock market, history has its ups and downs. If anyone imagined that the bigotry faced by Jewish officer Alfred Dreyfus marked an end to such….just look at the Democrat Party today, with its anti-Semitic agenda.



April 13th, 1895

“Alfred Dreyfus imprisoned on Devils Island

Accused of selling military secrets to Germany and convicted in an irregular trial against a backdrop of anti-Semitism, French officer Alfred Dreyfus was imprisoned this day in 1895 on Devils Island, off French Guiana.

The legal proceedings, which were based on specious evidence, were highly irregular. Although he denied his guilt and although his family consistently supported his plea of innocence, public opinion and the French press as a whole, led by its virulently anti-Semitic faction, welcomed the verdict and the sentence.”
Britannica.com




Speaking of the party being led by its virulently anti-Semitic faction,......




….”…numerous controversies already noted—such as the party’s protecting AOC and her Squad for referring to U.S. immigration detention centers as “concentration camps;” protecting Rep. Omar in the wake of a variety of anti- Zionist, anti-Semitic, and anti-American comments; running interference for Rep. Tlaib in her discussion about Israel, the Holocaust, and the Arabs; and a host of similar matters. It is a tricky balancing act for Speaker Pelosi, but more and more it seems to hinge on assuaging concerns of party progressives, and specifically Rep. Omar and her companions.

…Pelosi and the establishment see the writing on the wall. They have been unable to stymie the Squad. Now they have to coddle it, and where necessary co- opt it, and its ideas, to keep a precarious coalition together. But on top of the polit- ical risks of embracing the Squad, leadership cannot trust it. The Squad poses an existential threat because it is anathema to the establishment. ” “American Ingrate,” Weingarten

Of course. I had to suffer through reading The Dreyfus Affair in French and then Zola's J'accuse in political science a couple times.

I always respect folks who have actually read things.

So sad that our Democrat pals can't claim to have done so.

My high school's smarty pants program was pretty intense. College was nothing compared to high school. The foreign language department even did its own plays. My 4th year French class, unfortunately, decided to do a musical for that with me tragically as the male lead. Singing in a foreign language is nothing short of AWFUL.

Informative!

I wish I had a better singing voice....my college has the best fight song in the nation.....but I only hum along.

I was more math team.

LOL I was more math team than musical theater as well as far as talent I tried to spoken word my way through it as much as possible.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Who let the dogs out???



“The Democratic Party’s Anti-Semitism Problem Is Obama’s Legacy
Why does Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) still have her position on the House Foreign Relations Committee? House Republicans stripped Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) of his committee positions after making his own controversial remarks. Omar should have met the same fate. But considering recent history, it's not surprising that Omar remains unpunished. It's just the latest example of their party turning a blind eye to the rise of anti-Semitism in their ranks over the years—if not embracing it at times.

Prior to being elected president of the United States, Obama spent twenty years in the congregation of Jeremiah Wright. Wright’s anti-American and anti-Semitic remarks became a liability for Obama during the 2008 election but didn’t matter enough to the people who voted for him. Obama may have been forced to quit his church and distance himself from Wright, but that didn’t change who Obama was at heart—and it presented itself once he showed up to the White House.


…Obama promised that his policies would put “daylight” between America and Israel, and he meant it. During his eight years in office, Obama surrounded himself with anti-Semites and Israel haters, and the Obama White House often aligned itself with Israel's enemies over Israel.

Today, the Democratic Party is more willing to tolerate anti-Semitism and embrace anti-Semites... because they can. Even 2020 presidential candidates and party leaders are choosing to support Omar and her blatant anti-Semitism rather than risk backlash from their base.”
The Democratic Party’s Anti-Semitism Problem Is Obama’s Legacy



Yup.....Obama let the dogs out.

He trained 'em, and turned 'em loose on America.

 

[CHAZBUKOWSKI]

View attachment 322865


Very much like a graph of the stock market, history has its ups and downs. If anyone imagined that the bigotry faced by Jewish officer Alfred Dreyfus marked an end to such….just look at the Democrat Party today, with its anti-Semitic agenda.



April 13th, 1895

“Alfred Dreyfus imprisoned on Devils Island

Accused of selling military secrets to Germany and convicted in an irregular trial against a backdrop of anti-Semitism, French officer Alfred Dreyfus was imprisoned this day in 1895 on Devils Island, off French Guiana.

The legal proceedings, which were based on specious evidence, were highly irregular. Although he denied his guilt and although his family consistently supported his plea of innocence, public opinion and the French press as a whole, led by its virulently anti-Semitic faction, welcomed the verdict and the sentence.”
Britannica.com




Speaking of the party being led by its virulently anti-Semitic faction,......




….”…numerous controversies already noted—such as the party’s protecting AOC and her Squad for referring to U.S. immigration detention centers as “concentration camps;” protecting Rep. Omar in the wake of a variety of anti- Zionist, anti-Semitic, and anti-American comments; running interference for Rep. Tlaib in her discussion about Israel, the Holocaust, and the Arabs; and a host of similar matters. It is a tricky balancing act for Speaker Pelosi, but more and more it seems to hinge on assuaging concerns of party progressives, and specifically Rep. Omar and her companions.

…Pelosi and the establishment see the writing on the wall. They have been unable to stymie the Squad. Now they have to coddle it, and where necessary co- opt it, and its ideas, to keep a precarious coalition together. But on top of the polit- ical risks of embracing the Squad, leadership cannot trust it. The Squad poses an existential threat because it is anathema to the establishment. ” “American Ingrate,” Weingarten

Has the OP ever heard of Louis Gregori, a right-wing sh1tbag who shot Dreyfus upon his exoneration and restoration of rank?