Did Russia shoot down the Azerbaijan Airlines plane?

[frigidweirdo]

Russian air defence ‘likely shot down’ Azerbaijan Airlines plane

An Azerbaijan Airlines plane that crashed on Christmas Day was “likely shot down by a Russian military air defence system,” a UK-based aviation security firm has said.

uk.yahoo.com

Russia says it was a flock of birds.

You ever see a flock of birds do that to the tail?
Also the plane was flying to Grozny, which was under attack by Ukrainian drones at the time.

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An Azerbaijan Airlines plane crash on Christmas Day has prompted speculation the plane was shot down by Russia after it took a detour of hundreds of miles in the wrong direction and crash-landed with holes in the fuselage.

Russian military bloggers have suggested the plane, which crashed near the Kazakhstan city of Aktau, could have been mistaken for a Ukrainian drone.

The incident, which killed at least 38 people and injured a further 29, took place after a significant detour, which could have been caused by GPS jamming."

 

[Matted Joybeard]

Yes it would appear so.

 

[skye]

There is an investigation going on.

I would not jump into conclusions.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Russian air defence ‘likely shot down’ Azerbaijan Airlines plane

An Azerbaijan Airlines plane that crashed on Christmas Day was “likely shot down by a Russian military air defence system,” a UK-based aviation security firm has said.

uk.yahoo.com

Russia says it was a flock of birds.

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You ever see a flock of birds do that to the tail?
Also the plane was flying to Grozny, which was under attack by Ukrainian drones at the time.

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An Azerbaijan Airlines plane crash on Christmas Day has prompted speculation the plane was shot down by Russia after it took a detour of hundreds of miles in the wrong direction and crash-landed with holes in the fuselage.

Russian military bloggers have suggested the plane, which crashed near the Kazakhstan city of Aktau, could have been mistaken for a Ukrainian drone.

The incident, which killed at least 38 people and injured a further 29, took place after a significant detour, which could have been caused by GPS jamming."

Russia is an outlaw state ruled by a fascist war criminal.

Anything’s possible.

 

[Matted Joybeard]

There is an investigation going on.

I would not jump into conclusions.

It was a SAM of some sort. The purpose of the investigation from this point forward is to figure out the circumstances of its launch.

 

[skye]

It was a SAM of some sort. The purpose of the investigation from this point forward is to figure out the circumstances of its launch.

We have to wait.

Nothing is set on stone here.

 

[frigidweirdo]

There is an investigation going on.

I would not jump into conclusions.

Oh, well, I'm sure you wait until all investigations are over before judging.

 

[skye]

Oh, well, I'm sure you wait until all investigations are over before judging.

And....wouldn't you??

 

[frigidweirdo]

And....wouldn't you??

Well, the investigation might be massively tainted by the Russian govt's influence. If they don't want it to have been Russia, they might... you know, threaten Azerbaijan. Okay, Russia is in a weak situation right now, doesn't mean Azerbaijan wants problems with Russia.

 

[Matted Joybeard]

We have to wait.

Nothing is set on stone here.

AZAL flight into airspace that is an active theater of the Ukraine / Russia war. Public flight data unavailable due to active GPS jamming by Russia. Pilots reportedly experience a 'bird strike' as they are coming into Grozny. Passengers reportedly heard one or two loud booms. Next public data we have of the flight is on the other side of Caspian headed towards Kazakhstan with an erratic flight path. Passenger videos taken inside the plane show damage to the wind, possible damage to the plane's interior and flotation gear. Video emerges of the plane before it crashes out of control - no flaps extended and oscillating up and down. Symptoms of total hydraulic failure. Both engines are functioning at the time of the crash - otherwise it would not have made it to the Kazahk coastline. The tail section of the plane has inward puncture marks along the rear control surfaces where the hydraulic systems are located. A flock of birds couldn't cause this. No engines were out otherwise the plane would have been unflyable. Even if somehow an engine disintegrated with the hydraulics out and the plane still functioned those puncture marks would not be located in those positions on the tail.

It was hit by a SAM and now to investigate how it occurred, under which circumstances and who is to blame. That airspace should be closed.

 

[Matted Joybeard]

Paying immense respect to the pilots and crew who saved as many lives as they could by their actions. This did not have to happen and thoroughly depressing it did.

 

[pknopp]

There is a long video of the plane before it crashes. It doesn't appear as if it was shot down.

 

[Matted Joybeard]

There is a long video of the plane before it crashes. It doesn't appear as if it was shot down.

United 232 lost the rear engine and as a result lost all hydraulics. The plane continued airborne for another 45 minutes while the crew operated the plane by altering the remaining engine thrust. That was due to a cracked fan blade.

Here the hydraulics were lost because a SAM. The plane was mortally wounded in an attempt to down it despite being able to continue for some time.

 

[frigidweirdo]

There is a long video of the plane before it crashes. It doesn't appear as if it was shot down.

Depends what you mean by "shot down".

We're not suggesting it got hit by something and then immediately fell to the ground.

It got hit, and then suffered serious damage, but was still able to fly, but couldn't fly properly, and couldn't land properly.

 

[pknopp]

Depends what you mean by "shot down".

We're not suggesting it got hit by something and then immediately fell to the ground.

It got hit, and then suffered serious damage, but was still able to fly, but couldn't fly properly, and couldn't land properly.

I saw no evidence of that.

 

[odanny]

There is clear evidence of shrapnel, it was shot down.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I saw no evidence of that.

Well, that might say more about you than about what happened.

Read post 10

 

[shockedcanadian]

The initial instinct for a plane going down rapidly in that area probably should logic start from a place of assumption that it was shot down.

 

[pknopp]

The initial instinct for a plane going down rapidly in that area probably should logic start from a place of assumption that it was shot down.

It didn't go down rapidly.

 

[1srelluc]

Must have hit a flock of woodpeckers.

Who me?