Zone1 Did Christianity copy some details from the Mithras cult?

[Zebra]

like the birthday on Dec 25?

 

[TNHarley]

And the 12 disciples, virgin birth, baptism, resurrection etc etc etc
Both, new and old testaments are ripped off from earlier religions.
That religion could still be around today if the christians didnt murder them all.

 

[Votto]

And the 12 disciples, virgin birth, baptism, resurrection etc etc etc
Both, new and old testaments are ripped off from earlier religions.
That religion could still be around today if the christians didnt murder them all.

Really? Christians murdered those in the Mithras cult?


Link?

 

[Meriweather]

like the birthday on Dec 25?

Look for primary sources. First.... Is it Mithras, Mithra or Mitra? Second, the primary source is not Fry or any other new age or modern source. Next, no day on any calendar isn't commemorative of something else. December 25 is commemorative of the Sun God as that is when he defeats the darkness of winter. In early Christianity, there was the idea, rumor, thought--I never have been able to find exactly where it originated--is that Jesus died on the same date he was conceived which was set as March 25. Nine months later, we land on December 25. Setting Jesus' birth had nothing to do with with the sun, and certainly nothing to do with Mithras, Mithra, Mitra--who were three different beings, all interesting in their own right, but again having nothing or little to do with December 25.

 

[TNHarley]

Really? Christians murdered those in the Mithras cult?


Link?

Beck on Mithraism

Roger Beck, a world authority on Mithraism, brings together his major writings on the Mysteries of Mithras in the context of the culture and religions of imperial Rome. In these studies he opens new vistas on myth making, ritual, symbolism, the role of astrology in the cult, recently discovered...

books.google.com

 

[Anomalism]

I believe the idea of a great flood predates Christianity as well.

 

[TNHarley]

I believe the idea of a great flood predates Christianity as well.

The garden of eden as well.

 

[Votto]

Beck on Mithraism

Roger Beck, a world authority on Mithraism, brings together his major writings on the Mysteries of Mithras in the context of the culture and religions of imperial Rome. In these studies he opens new vistas on myth making, ritual, symbolism, the role of astrology in the cult, recently discovered...

books.google.com

The link only give me a book to read

Do you seriously expect me to buy and read it?

 

[Votto]

I believe the idea of a great flood predates Christianity as well.

Um.................yea.

No one disagrees with this.

Your point is?

 

[Anomalism]

Um.................yea.

No one disagrees with this.

Your point is?

The point is a lot of themes in Christianity seem to be inherited from older religions.

 

[Hafar1014]

I believe the idea of a great flood predates Christianity as well.

It does by 10000 years

 

[Votto]

The point is a lot of themes in Christianity seem to be inherited from older religions.

You mean like Judaism?

Who knew?

 

[Votto]

It does by 10000 years

I had no idea.

I thought that the Great Flood happened immediately after Pentecost.

 

[Hafar1014]

You mean like Judaism?

Who knew?

Judaism is over 5000 years old. Whats older

 

[Votto]

Judaism is over 5000 years old. Whats older

Biden.

Who here is arguing this point?

Anyone?

Not Christians.

 

[Meriweather]

The link only give me a book to read

Do you seriously expect me to buy and read it?

I scanned through a review or two. Beck's book seems to have little--maybe nothing to do with comparing Mithra to Christianity, but rather delves into cognitive thinking, and how archaeology can benefit by using this. The book notes that the Mithras cult had a shadowy founder, lacked doctrine and priests, and that its social bond was formed by its secrecy.

 

[Votto]

I scanned through a review or two. Beck's book seems to have little--maybe nothing to do with comparing Mithra to Christianity, but rather delves into cognitive thinking, and how archaeology can benefit by using this. The book notes that the Mithras cult had a shadowy founder, lacked doctrine and priests, and that its social bond was formed by its secrecy.

TNHarley gave me the book as an answer as to how Christians murdered those in the Mithra cult

You mean there is nothing in there about that?

The least he could do is quote from the book to prove his point.

 

[TNHarley]

The link only give me a book to read

Do you seriously expect me to buy and read it?

No. That book talks about it. Thats how I know about it.
I did a quick search and all I could find was a wiki article. But its source was that book, so im not even going to link it lol.

 

[Zebra]

I believe the idea of a great flood predates Christianity as well.

the great flood is in the OT, not the NT.

you think of Gilgamesh?

 

[Votto]

like the birthday on Dec 25?

The Bible offers few clues: Celebrations of Jesus’ Nativity are not mentioned in the Gospels or Acts; the date is not given, not even the time of year. The biblical reference to shepherds tending their flocks at night when they hear the news of Jesus’ birth (Luke 2:8) might suggest the spring lambing season; in the cold month of December, on the other hand, sheep might well have been corralled. Yet most scholars would urge caution about extracting such a precise but incidental detail from a narrative whose focus is theological rather than calendrical.

The extrabiblical evidence from the first and second century is equally spare: There is no mention of birth celebrations in the writings of early Christian writers such as Irenaeus (c. 130–200) or Tertullian (c. 160–225). Origen of Alexandria (c. 165–264) goes so far as to mock Roman celebrations of birth anniversaries, dismissing them as “pagan” practices—a strong indication that Jesus’ birth was not marked with similar festivities at that place and time. As far as we can tell, Christmas was not celebrated at all at this point.

This stands in sharp contrast to the very early traditions surrounding Jesus’ last days. Each of the Four Gospels provides detailed information about the time of Jesus’ death. According to John, Jesus is crucified just as the Passover lambs are being sacrificed. This would have occurred on the 14th of the Hebrew month of Nisan, just before the Jewish holiday began at sundown (considered the beginning of the 15th day because in the Hebrew calendar, days begin at sundown). In Matthew, Mark and Luke, however, the Last Supper is held after sundown, on the beginning of the 15th. Jesus is crucified the next morning—still, the 15th.

The earliest mention of December 25 as Jesus’ birthday comes from a mid-fourth-century Roman almanac that lists the death dates of various Christian bishops and martyrs. The first date listed, December 25, is marked: natus Christus in Betleem Judeae: “Christ was born in Bethlehem of Judea.” In about 400 C.E., Augustine of Hippo mentions a local dissident Christian group, the Donatists, who apparently kept Christmas festivals on December 25, but refused to celebrate the Epiphany on January 6, regarding it as an innovation. Since the Donatist group only emerged during the persecution under Diocletian in 312 C.E. and then remained stubbornly attached to the practices of that moment in time, they seem to represent an older North African Christian tradition.