Detroit...

[rightwinger]

Nice try. SInce 1923 they have had 2 GOP mayors. All the others have been Dems. And last I heard, mayors run cities, not car companies.
Of course, you can't help lying because you have nothing else.

Nice try

The conservatives ran the car companies that provided 80% of the employment in the region. Once they ran the companies into the ground, even Jesus Christ couldn't have saved that city

Ford is doing just fine. Blows your "theory" all to hell, I guess.
Auto companies never passed a tax. Auto companies never made regulations. Yet taxes and regulations are what have killed Detroit.
But thanks for spinning.

Rabbi...pull your head from between your ass cheeks

Auto company mismanagement drove the industry into the ground. Too big, too lazy, too unresponsive to what the public wants

Those are management decisions....not labor

 

[The Rabbi]

Nice try

The conservatives ran the car companies that provided 80% of the employment in the region. Once they ran the companies into the ground, even Jesus Christ couldn't have saved that city

Ford is doing just fine. Blows your "theory" all to hell, I guess.
Auto companies never passed a tax. Auto companies never made regulations. Yet taxes and regulations are what have killed Detroit.
But thanks for spinning.

Rabbi...pull your head from between your ass cheeks

Auto company mismanagement drove the industry into the ground. Too big, too lazy, too unresponsive to what the public wants

Those are management decisions....not labor

Ford continues to make money. Chrysler and GM continue employing people thanks to our dollars.
None of them set tax rates or wrote laws and regulations. Governments do that.
Please get your head out of your partisan ass for two seconds for a breath of fresh air and acknowledge this simple fact: Governments pass laws, not corporations.

 

[WillowTree]

Yes...the Liberals ran those car companies into the ground
The liberals mismanaged an industry we once dominated

Nice try. SInce 1923 they have had 2 GOP mayors. All the others have been Dems. And last I heard, mayors run cities, not car companies.
Of course, you can't help lying because you have nothing else.

Nice try

The conservatives ran the car companies that provided 80% of the employment in the region. Once they ran the companies into the ground, even Jesus Christ couldn't have saved that city

the UAW was Republican? Who the **** knew?

 

[rightwinger]

Nice try. SInce 1923 they have had 2 GOP mayors. All the others have been Dems. And last I heard, mayors run cities, not car companies.
Of course, you can't help lying because you have nothing else.

Nice try

The conservatives ran the car companies that provided 80% of the employment in the region. Once they ran the companies into the ground, even Jesus Christ couldn't have saved that city

the UAW was Republican? Who the **** knew?

Does the UAW decide what cars will be made? Does the UAW design autos? Does the UAW market the product?

Management decisions drove the auto industry into the dumps

 

[The Rabbi]

Nice try

The conservatives ran the car companies that provided 80% of the employment in the region. Once they ran the companies into the ground, even Jesus Christ couldn't have saved that city

the UAW was Republican? Who the **** knew?

Does the UAW decide what cars will be made? Does the UAW design autos? Does the UAW market the product?

Management decisions drove the auto industry into the dumps

No. But the UAW does negotiate wages and benefits for its workers. Which is the proximate cause for the troubles in the auto industry.
Or did you forget that, Nutwinger?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Yea how bout those wonderful Socialist/Progressive Democrats in Detroit? They've done such a wonderful job...Of completely destroying that once great City. Why the h*ll do people keep voting for Democrats in Detroit? It's so friggin bizarre. Detroit has unfortunately joined other once great cities like Chicago & Philadelphia on the list of cities turned into Third World H*ll Holes by the Democrats. How sad.

 

[rightwinger]

the UAW was Republican? Who the **** knew?

Does the UAW decide what cars will be made? Does the UAW design autos? Does the UAW market the product?

Management decisions drove the auto industry into the dumps

No. But the UAW does negotiate wages and benefits for its workers. Which is the proximate cause for the troubles in the auto industry.
Or did you forget that, Nutwinger?

The operative word is "negotiate"

An agreement between two parties. Did the UAW hold a gun to their heads or did management agree to labor terms under more profitable times?

In either case, worker benefits have been slashed in the last five years while management had to beg for a taxpayer bailout

 

[The Rabbi]

Does the UAW decide what cars will be made? Does the UAW design autos? Does the UAW market the product?

Management decisions drove the auto industry into the dumps

No. But the UAW does negotiate wages and benefits for its workers. Which is the proximate cause for the troubles in the auto industry.
Or did you forget that, Nutwinger?

The operative word is "negotiate"

An agreement between two parties. Did the UAW hold a gun to their heads or did management agree to labor terms under more profitable times?

In either case, worker benefits have been slashed in the last five years while management had to beg for a taxpayer bailout

Yes, actually they did hold a gun to their heads.
But all of that is immaterial to the condition of Detroit, which is caused by Democratic politicians.

 

[rightwinger]

No. But the UAW does negotiate wages and benefits for its workers. Which is the proximate cause for the troubles in the auto industry.
Or did you forget that, Nutwinger?

The operative word is "negotiate"

An agreement between two parties. Did the UAW hold a gun to their heads or did management agree to labor terms under more profitable times?

In either case, worker benefits have been slashed in the last five years while management had to beg for a taxpayer bailout

Yes, actually they did hold a gun to their heads.
But all of that is immaterial to the condition of Detroit, which is caused by Democratic politicians.

Yes...the Democratic mayor should have forced them to design better automobiles

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Man you would probably be safer hanging out in Kabul & Baghdad than you would in Detroit & Chicago. The Democrats are City-Killers for sure.

 

[The Rabbi]

The operative word is "negotiate"

An agreement between two parties. Did the UAW hold a gun to their heads or did management agree to labor terms under more profitable times?

In either case, worker benefits have been slashed in the last five years while management had to beg for a taxpayer bailout

Yes, actually they did hold a gun to their heads.
But all of that is immaterial to the condition of Detroit, which is caused by Democratic politicians.

Yes...the Democratic mayor should have forced them to design better automobiles

Obviously the mayor of Pittsburgh did a better job with the steel companies.
Do you ever tell the truth? Can you not spin something, just once?

 

[Trajan]

Yes...the Liberals ran those car companies into the ground
The liberals mismanaged an industry we once dominated

Nice try. SInce 1923 they have had 2 GOP mayors. All the others have been Dems. And last I heard, mayors run cities, not car companies.
Of course, you can't help lying because you have nothing else.

Nice try

The conservatives ran the car companies that provided 80% of the employment in the region. Once they ran the companies into the ground, even Jesus Christ couldn't have saved that city

and this has what to do with urban mgt.? other cities have seen industry up and leave, blaming the car co's for their own issues on Detroits fall is precluding any responsibility of their city council and mayors...that doesn't wash.

 

[gautama]

The operative word is "negotiate"

An agreement between two parties. Did the UAW hold a gun to their heads or did management agree to labor terms under more profitable times?

In either case, worker benefits have been slashed in the last five years while management had to beg for a taxpayer bailout

Yes, actually they did hold a gun to their heads.
But all of that is immaterial to the condition of Detroit, which is caused by Democratic politicians.

Yes...the Democratic mayor should have forced them to design better automobiles

BogusWanker,

YOU STILL DON'T ******* GEDDIT.

IN BUSINESS THE "COST" OF THE PRODUCT IS THE DECISIVE FACTOR: IOW......WILL IT BE PROFITABLE OR NOT.

IN THE PRESENT COMPETITIVE BUSINESS PRACTICES, COST IS DETERMINED, EXCLUSIVELY, BY THE ******* LABOUR UNIONS UNCOMPROMISING DEMANDS !!!!!!!!!!

ANY ******* MORON......EVEN THE "PIE IN THE SKY" OBAMARRHOIDAL LIEBERRHOIDS KNOW THAT ......BUT CHOOSE TO IGNORE THAT......BECAUSE THEIR FINAL....AND I SAY "FINAL"
COURSE OF ACTION IS NOT DETERMINED BY "PROFIT"......BUT THEIR "SOCIAL JUSTICE AGENDA" WHICH THEY....ONLY THEY.....IN THEIR ******* INFINITE WISDOM" DETERMINE.

CARS, CLOTHES, POTATO PANCAKES, ETC........COST DETERMINES THE PROFIT !!!!!

AS I STATED GOD, AS THE NUMERO UNO MANAGER, COULD ACCOMPLISH **** ALL IF THE "COST" IS PROHIBITIVE......YOU JUST CAN'T GET AROUND IT !!!!!!

THEN.......WHEN ON TOP OF THAT DECISIVE FACTOR ....YOU SUPERIMPOSE "SOCIAL JUSTICE" CONSIDERATIONS.....IN TERMS OF RULES AND REGULATIONS.....AND REPLACE WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS......WITH OBAMARRHOIDAL GOVTAL AGENDA REQUIREMENTS OF "GREENERY" (PRIUS), EXHORBITANT HEALTH CARE COSTS......OBAMARRHOIDAL ENERGY CAPS THAT IN THEMSELVES WOULD ANNIHILATE BUSINESS.......YOU HAVE THE PERFECT FORMULA FOR RUINATION OF THE COUNTRY !!!!

BUSINESS MUST SATISFY CERTAIN OBAMARRHOIDAL CONSIDERATIONS TO GET "BAILOUTS".....BUSINESS DESIGNS, MANAGEMENT OF LABOUR.....PRACTICALLY EVERY STEP IS GOVERNED BY GOVTAL RESTRICTIONS !!!!

THEN.....THE PERFECT OBAMARRHOIDAL IDIOTIC COUNTERSTROKE....not the NECESSARY "STIMULUS" bailout for this or that occasional business miscalculation (where the Bush "stimulus" IMO is relevant) ......BUT AN INSANE BAILOUT.....NOT BASED ON "BUSINESS NEEDS".....BUT "PERCEIVED" SOCIAL JUSTICE NEEDS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH "PROFIT"...... BUT INSTEAD TO SATISFY AN UTOPIAN MARXIST AGENDA THAT HAS INFINITE"SOCIAL JUSTICE" NEEDS THAT IS A BOTTOMLESS PIT......THIS IS THE OBAMARRHOIDAL LIEBERRHOID AGENDA THAT GOES BEYOND INSANITY!!!!

PUTTING IT SO THAT EVEN RETARDED OBAMARRHOIDAL LIEBERRHOID TURDS CAN UNDERSTAND: YOU CANNOT HAVE BUSINESS SATISFY THE UTOPIAN "SOCIAL JUSTICE NEEDS" WHEN THE OBAMARRHOIDAL MODEL DEMANDS THAT THEIR CONCEPT OF "BUSINESS" IS SUPPOSED TO RESCUE THE ECONOMY WITHOUT CONSIDERING THE ESSENTIAL ELEMENT OF BUSINESS..........THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS".....THE ******* UNCOMPROMISING UNIONS !!!

THE DELICACY OF THE FRAGILE BALANCING ACT OF "ENLIGHTENED" CAPITALISM THAT MADE US THE FOREMOST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD FOR APPROX 200 YEARS........IS TOSSED IN THE GARBAGE CAN BY OBAMARRHOIDAL MARXISM.

The DELICATE "BALANCING ACT" of "FINESSING" the need for rules and regulations. The public needs, the compromises by management and unions, adjusting to the demands of competition, etc...ALL IS DUMPED IN ORDER TO SATISFY THE OBAMARRHOIDAL MARXISM.

If there isn't a change in 2012......AMERICA IS DOOMED !!!!!

 

[JBeukema]

No. But the UAW does negotiate wages and benefits for its workers. Which is the proximate cause for the troubles in the auto industry.
Or did you forget that, Nutwinger?

The operative word is "negotiate"

An agreement between two parties. Did the UAW hold a gun to their heads or did management agree to labor terms under more profitable times?

In either case, worker benefits have been slashed in the last five years while management had to beg for a taxpayer bailout

Yes, actually they did hold a gun to their heads.

 

[saveliberty]

Wonder how the unions are doing signing up Chinese....

 

[gautama]

America must get rid of the Obamarrhoidal Lieberrhoids in 2012 or America is doomed.

 

[Tank]

 

[bucs90]

Sad to see the decline of a once great city

Detroit, at one time symbolized American greatness. With the decline in dominance of the American auto industry and the dispersion of auto manufacturing to less expensive areas, I doubt if Detroit will ever return to its former greatness

They have to downsize the city. Demolish what once was and concentrate on a manageable city center and try to attract new industries.

They need a powerful city planner to rescope their future...I wish them luck

It really is a shame. The auto makers started moving their in-country production plants away, into states like South Carolina and Georgia, thus hurting the proud city of Detroit. Wonder why they did that (Hint: non-union labor, low corporate taxes).

I never questioned the wisdom of moving to lower cost states. I used it as a justification for Detroit needing to reinvent themselves because those jobs aren't coming back.

You are right.

Detroit should reinvent itself as:

Lower corporate tax rates to attract business back.
Lower local taxes on the rich to attract wealthy home-buyers and fill in some vacant spots. This will produde additional sales tax just by their presence, and maybe boost some local businesses, also boosting tax income to Detroit.
Cut union labor. Become non-union. Labor costs will drop, and bring in more business, and jobs will become more available.
Cut union labor. The lack of union contracts will allow them to payout less in pensions, and get rid of lazy workers. That will make workers more productive, and thus, the company more competitive. That will make the company more profitable, they can expand, give raises, etc, etc, etc.


That would work for Detroit. What Detroit was doing didn't work.

Notice our Federal Government is now behaving exactly how Detroit has, and is refusing to behave in any of the ways that could save Detroit.

Do we want our federal government to go the way of the Detroit local government????

 

[The Rabbi]

It really is a shame. The auto makers started moving their in-country production plants away, into states like South Carolina and Georgia, thus hurting the proud city of Detroit. Wonder why they did that (Hint: non-union labor, low corporate taxes).

I never questioned the wisdom of moving to lower cost states. I used it as a justification for Detroit needing to reinvent themselves because those jobs aren't coming back.

You are right.

Detroit should reinvent itself as:

Lower corporate tax rates to attract business back.
Lower local taxes on the rich to attract wealthy home-buyers and fill in some vacant spots. This will produde additional sales tax just by their presence, and maybe boost some local businesses, also boosting tax income to Detroit.
Cut union labor. Become non-union. Labor costs will drop, and bring in more business, and jobs will become more available.
Cut union labor. The lack of union contracts will allow them to payout less in pensions, and get rid of lazy workers. That will make workers more productive, and thus, the company more competitive. That will make the company more profitable, they can expand, give raises, etc, etc, etc.


That would work for Detroit. What Detroit was doing didn't work.

Notice our Federal Government is now behaving exactly how Detroit has, and is refusing to behave in any of the ways that could save Detroit.

Do we want our federal government to go the way of the Detroit local government????

Nutwinger will blame the CEOs of big banks and brokerage houses for our problems.
And George W Bush, of course.

 

[sealybobo]

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Don't forget we came back on Obama's watch not trumps.