Zone1 "Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender."

[IM2]

Definition of DARVO

DARVO refers to a reaction perpetrators of wrong doing, particularly sexual offenders, may display in response to being held accountable for their behavior. DARVO stands for "Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender." The perpetrator or offender may Deny the behavior, Attack the individual doing the confronting, and Reverse the roles of Victim and Offender such that the perpetrator assumes the victim role and turns the true victim -- or the whistle blower -- into an alleged offender. This occurs, for instance, when an actually guilty perpetrator assumes the role of "falsely accused" and attacks the accuser's credibility and blames the accuser of being the perpetrator of a false accusation.

"Donald Trump and his supporters clearly exhibit DARVO habits. Rather than accept blame for anything they do, they turn around and accuse those blaming them of creating the problem."

Untitled Document

dynamic.uoregon.edu

We see this behavior also in members of the right-wing on matters of race and other issues associated with the "culture wars". Examples of this is the claim of anti-white racism/discrimination, the opposition to various topics taught in school and the complaints about whiteness studies. In these situations whites want to portray themselves victims because things are showing historic wrongs committed by members of the white community. Meanwhile, they are content with every other community being diminished relative to history and society.

 

[Oddball]

Gotta 'nother definition for ya, pal....

Freudian projection​

The following is a collection of definitions of projection from orthodox psychology texts. In this system the distinct mechanism of projecting own unconscious or undesirable characteristics onto another is called Freudian Projection.

• “A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes to other people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot accept. It is especially likely to occur when the person lacks insight into his own impulses and traits.”
• “The externalisation of internal unconscious wishes, desires or emotions on to other people. So, for example, someone who feels subconsciously that they have a powerful latent homosexual drive may not acknowledge this consciously, but it may show in their readiness to suspect others of being homosexual.”
• “Attributing one’s own undesirable traits to other people or agencies, e.g., an aggressive man accuses other people of being hostile.”
• “The individual perceives in others the motive he denies having himself. Thus the cheat is sure that everyone else is dishonest. The would-be adulterer accuses his wife of infidelity.”
• “People attribute their own undesirable traits onto others. An individual who unconsciously recognises his or her aggressive tendencies may then see other people acting in an excessively aggressive way.”
• “Projection is the opposite defence mechanism to identification. We project our own unpleasant feelings onto someone else and blame them for having thoughts that we really have.”

 

[johngaltshrugged]

For UR#2, every post he makes relies on DARVO.

You Deny black people have any responsibility for their predicaments, you Attack all whites as the oppressors forcing you to make shit decisions, you Reverse the culpability of the criminals by claiming the perps are the Victims & the victims are the Offenders.

 

[IM2]

For UR#2, every post he makes relies on DARVO.

You Deny black people have any responsibility for their predicaments, you Attack all whites as the oppressors forcing you to make shit decisions, you Reverse the culpability of the criminals by claiming the perps are the Victims & the victims are the Offenders.

I don't deny anything. You deny the impact of white racism and the damage it has caused.

“Bryant-Davis and Ocampo (2005) noted similar courses of psychopathology between rape victims and victims of racism. Both events are an assault on the personhood and integrity of the victim. Similar to rape victims, race-related trauma victims may respond with disbelief, shock, or dissociation, which can prevent them from responding to the incident in a healthy manner. The victim may then feel shame and self-blame because they were unable to respond or defend themselves, which may lead to low self concept and self-destructive behaviors. In the same study, a parallel was drawn between race-related trauma victims and victims of domestic violence. Both survivors are made to feel shame over allowing themselves to be victimized. For instance, someone who may have experienced a racist incident may be told that if they are polite, work hard, and/or dress in a certain way, they will not encounter racism. When these rules are followed yet racism persists, powerlessness, hypervigilance, and other symptoms associated with PTSD may develop or worsen."

“On occasion, the emotional weight of racism can lead African Americans to engage in maladaptive coping, such as remaining in denial, engaging in substance use, aggression, self-blame – even in extreme cases suicide (i.e., Black Lives Matter activist Marshawn McCarrel) and terrorism (i.e., Dallas shooter Micah Xavier Johnson). These responses are harmful and lead to negative, long-term consequences.”

Ryan C.T. DeLapp, MA, and Monnica T. Williams, Ph.D., “Proactively Coping With Racism, Getting back to our lives in the aftermath of racial violence in the media.”, July 18, 2016, www.psychologytoday,com

 

[alexa]

Gotta 'nother definition for ya, pal....

Freudian projection​

The following is a collection of definitions of projection from orthodox psychology texts. In this system the distinct mechanism of projecting own unconscious or undesirable characteristics onto another is called Freudian Projection.

• “A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes to other people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot accept. It is especially likely to occur when the person lacks insight into his own impulses and traits.”
• “The externalisation of internal unconscious wishes, desires or emotions on to other people. So, for example, someone who feels subconsciously that they have a powerful latent homosexual drive may not acknowledge this consciously, but it may show in their readiness to suspect others of being homosexual.”
• “Attributing one’s own undesirable traits to other people or agencies, e.g., an aggressive man accuses other people of being hostile.”
• “The individual perceives in others the motive he denies having himself. Thus the cheat is sure that everyone else is dishonest. The would-be adulterer accuses his wife of infidelity.”
• “People attribute their own undesirable traits onto others. An individual who unconsciously recognises his or her aggressive tendencies may then see other people acting in an excessively aggressive way.”
• “Projection is the opposite defence mechanism to identification. We project our own unpleasant feelings onto someone else and blame them for having thoughts that we really have.”

Freud may have invented the concept but it is just called projection now. In reality what you are saying here and what IM was saying are the same thing expressed differently.

 

[alexa]

Definition of DARVO

DARVO refers to a reaction perpetrators of wrong doing, particularly sexual offenders, may display in response to being held accountable for their behavior. DARVO stands for "Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender." The perpetrator or offender may Deny the behavior, Attack the individual doing the confronting, and Reverse the roles of Victim and Offender such that the perpetrator assumes the victim role and turns the true victim -- or the whistle blower -- into an alleged offender. This occurs, for instance, when an actually guilty perpetrator assumes the role of "falsely accused" and attacks the accuser's credibility and blames the accuser of being the perpetrator of a false accusation.

"Donald Trump and his supporters clearly exhibit DARVO habits. Rather than accept blame for anything they do, they turn around and accuse those blaming them of creating the problem."

Untitled Document

dynamic.uoregon.edu

We see this behavior also in members of the right-wing on matters of race and other issues associated with the "culture wars". Examples of this is the claim of anti-white racism/discrimination, the opposition to various topics taught in school and the complaints about whiteness studies. In these situations whites want to portray themselves victims because things are showing historic wrongs committed by members of the white community. Meanwhile, they are content with every other community being diminished relative to history and society.

Taking this as talking about projection as Oddball describes in post 2, Jason Stanley, a Jewish Professor of Philosophy at Yale University has been studying Fascism and has made lots of good videos on it as well as bringing a book out. One of the things he says which I would agree with is that current fascists blame those who oppose them with what they do. In other words they project. He says if you want to know what they are up to, what they think, just listen to how they describe non fascists.

 

[nawpar]

Definition of DARVO

DARVO refers to a reaction perpetrators of wrong doing, particularly sexual offenders, may display in response to being held accountable for their behavior. DARVO stands for "Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender." The perpetrator or offender may Deny the behavior, Attack the individual doing the confronting, and Reverse the roles of Victim and Offender such that the perpetrator assumes the victim role and turns the true victim -- or the whistle blower -- into an alleged offender. This occurs, for instance, when an actually guilty perpetrator assumes the role of "falsely accused" and attacks the accuser's credibility and blames the accuser of being the perpetrator of a false accusation.

"Donald Trump and his supporters clearly exhibit DARVO habits. Rather than accept blame for anything they do, they turn around and accuse those blaming them of creating the problem."

Untitled Document

dynamic.uoregon.edu

We see this behavior also in members of the right-wing on matters of race and other issues associated with the "culture wars". Examples of this is the claim of anti-white racism/discrimination, the opposition to various topics taught in school and the complaints about whiteness studies. In these situations whites want to portray themselves victims because things are showing historic wrongs committed by members of the white community. Meanwhile, they are content with every other community being diminished relative to history and society.

That's you, and the left.

 

[IM2]

That's you, and the left.

And here is another example of DARVO.

 

[nawpar]

And here is another example of DARVO.

I disagree.

 

[alexa]

This is a small exert from the Ten Tactics of Fascism by Jason Stanley.

Where I put in an inverted comma it is his words

Equality needs truth. Equality in a democracy is about us all having the same political power as shown through one vote for all. Political equality requires speaking truth to power.

Hierarchy is the big lie at the centre of things. 'What is racism but one big lie. Racism is a lie that one group is better than another. You're told This religion is better, this race is better, this gender is better. It's really a moral claim - has more moral worth and then once you have hierarchy set up you can make some people very nervous about losing their position on that hierarchy. Hierarchy goes right into victimhood because once you convince people that they are justifiably higher on the hierarchy, then you can tell them that they are victims of equality. German Christians are victims of Jews, White Americans are victims of black American Equality. Men are victims of Feminism. Once you convince people that they should be better, that they have earned their position on the hierarchy above others, then you can tell them that equality is actually victimhood. Loyalty to the Dominant Group is actually being law abiding and the minority group by its nature is not law abiding.

So law and order does not mean Justice. Law and order does not mean equality. Law and order structures who's legitimate and who is not.'

The ten tactics of fascism by Jason Stanley. He goes on to speak about how the Leader's followers are told that their families are being destroyed through many things. LGBT being one which I have seen repeated ad nausea on this site in relation to trans. Those who have bought in/are buying in to the Fascist way don't see LGBT as people having made choices which are right for them which would be the Democratic viewpoint. 'They rather see them (LGBT) as making choices which threaten their lives and the lives of their children. He says they take ordinary Conservatives and the Leader says to them that he knows that they would not normally choose him because of his list of defects but now they need someone like him to sort things out for them.

For the last one he speaks of the gates at Auschwitz saying 'work shall set you free'. 'The idea is that the minority group is lazy and they need to be able to work. The minority group and the leftists, they are lazy by their nature, and this gives them a 'work ethic'. Labour Unions are run by Communists who are trying to make things easier. Hard work is a virtue. In a real democracy we don't value people on how hard they work. What would happen to disabled people who can't work. They would then have no value. It's why the nazis had their T4 program to murder their disabled. The disabled were 'life unworthy of life''

He also while not playing down the mass killing of Stalin and Mao believe that Fascism is definitely Right wing.

Sadly there is just so much I can identify with what is said here and this forum - and other forums on this site but it is most obvious here..

 

[BackAgain]

I don't deny anything.

You do deny that you are racist in your thinking. You deny that much of what you say is indeed racist.

You deny the impact of white racism and the damage it has caused.

Not at all. But you make far more of old history than it presently justifies.

Racism does cause damage. Your racism included.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

You do deny that you are racist in your thinking. You deny that much of what you say is indeed racist.

Not at all. But you make far more of old history than it presently justifies.

Racism does cause damage. Your racism included.

How is IM2 racist? Can you give us a explanation or definition that fits him?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Not at all. But you make far more of old history than it presently justifies.

How are you determining what is "presently justifies"?

 

[Oddball]

Freud may have invented the concept but it is just called projection now. In reality what you are saying here and what IM was saying are the same thing expressed differently.

What I'm saying is that he's doing exactly what he's accusing others of doing, as he nearly always does.

Stick to speaking for yourself.

 

[sparky]

Anything i post here will be a no win scenario......~S~

 

[BackAgain]

How is IM2 racist? Can you give us an explanation or definition that fits him?

Been there done that. But since you’re evidently behind the curve and a bit slow on the uptake, I will deign to give you a short-version recap:

If you review his posting history you will see that he bases almost all his threads on race. He is tragically and forever race-conscious. And he uniformly vilifies white people in the majority of his dumb threads in the race forum.

I’m not responsible for curing your ignorance. But if you really want to learn, I suggest that human nature tells us that we tend to learn best that which we learn on our own. So, educate yourself.

Read his material. Thread after thread. Figure out his theme. It’s ugly. But you can do it.

 

[BackAgain]

How are you determining what is "presently justifies"?

The present.

 

[sparky]

Read his material. Thread after thread. Figure out his theme. It’s ugly. But you can do it.

one just can't fight hate, with hate......

~S~

 

[BackAgain]

one just can't fight hate, with hate......

~S~

I agree.

The old expression comes to mind: “Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.”

Fighting hate with hate won’t (logically) teach anyone about the error of hate.

 

[alexa]

What I'm saying is that he's doing exactly what he's accusing others of doing, as he nearly always does.

Stick to speaking for yourself.

Exactly how does

Gotta 'nother definition for ya, pal....

say what you said above.