DEMOCRATS: Van Jones absolutely NAILS it on CNN

[Mac-7]

Better at what? Giving his kids jobs where they could enrich themselves? Inciting riots?

Better in every way

As for his children the pool of available assistants in washington who trump could trust was very limited

 

[Curried Goats]

They are considered leaders. Good gawd, you are one dumb sumbitch. Seriously.

By who? You? How much longer are you going to continue to embarrass yourself with this take?

 

[scruffy]

This blew my mind to the point where I stopped it, rewound it and transcribed it.

Why is the Democratic Party such a wreck right now? Much of it is what I've seen saying since I've been on this board: This ridiculous, counterproductive dependence on PC and Identity Politics. Not ONLY did it feed the frustration and anger that brought us the former guy, it ALSO simply doesn't work as well on minorities any more.

Van Jones, this morning, on CNN:

MAGA are moving right on culture -- you know, CRT is bad, trans is bad, parents' rights -- so they're marketing their right wing move on culture really well. But they're also moving left on economics -- MAGA sounds like Bernie Sanders when they're talking about American tariffs, talking about American jobs, the way they're going after big tech companies. And so by moving left on economics and right on culture, that's appealing to working class voters, including black and brown voters. Democrats don't see this coming. They've over-reacted on the cultural moves, under-reacted on economic appeal, and you're seeing it pay off for MAGA. So this is a very important moment.

If Democrats want working class black and working class Latino voters, we're gonna have to change our strategy and respond to the MAGA threat. Listen, we're in danger of becoming the party of the very high and the very low. If you pull out the working class, you have people who are very well educated and very well off. Those people talk funny -- LatinX? I've never met a LatinX, I've never met a BIPOC (?), this weird stuff that highly-educated people say. Nobody talks that way in the barber shop, the nail salon, the grocery store, the community center. But that's how we talk now. That's WEIRD. And the people who are very low down on the economic ladder need a bunch of stuff. You wind up over promising -- oh, we're gonna give you reparations -- to the people at the bottom of the economic ladder, talking weird to appeal to the people at the top of the economic ladder, and the working class walks away from you. That is the data we're facing.

And there is a penalty you pay if you don't go along with the normal narrative. The normal narrative in America has been, all black and brown people hate racists, all Republicans are racist, so all black and brown people are gonna vote for Democrats. All of that doesn't make sense in the real world. All Republicans are not racist, and Republican appeals are not just racial, some of them are economic, some of them are cultural, and all black and brown folks are not liberals.

Listen, black and brown folks go to church A LOT. You want black churchgoers and Latin Catholics to vote for Democrats, you to do things that show that maybe you get those issues. Which are primarily economic issues, family issues, bread & butter issues. And if you're gonna talk about the cultural issues, you have to talk about them in a way that's gonna resonate with a working mom or a working dad, and not just folks who went to college.

Will Democrats take note? I doubt it.

Christ.

I musta woke up in the Twilight Zone.

 

[Mac1958]

You all did this. And you deserve what's coming.

And yet you will find me fighting it for years here. In reality.

Hundreds, maybe thousands of examples upon request.

I can't stop your fantasies. That's your world.

 

[scruffy]

Meh, he still sounds like a dem from the 80s....Channeling his inner Bubba Clinton I guess.

Yeah but those are the smartest words I've heard out of a Dem in like... 15 years...

 

[dblack]

What will they do when they take it back? Hopefully they have more than the idiotic "Brandon" thing.

Elections have consequences. They'll fuck a bunch of shit up and then we'll vote the Democrats back in because we don't know any better, can't imagine better. Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

[SweetSue92]

And yet you will find me fighting it for years here. In reality.

Hundreds, maybe thousands of examples upon request.

I can't stop your fantasies. That's your world.

You have worse fantasies about me, but wholly ignore what I type. You play with cartoon characters in your head instead.

Maybe you could look at what you typed out about minorities and see why so many of them are fleeing liberalism

 

[scruffy]

Maybe we should stop letting the party be lead by old ass white people...

That's what I said too.

I said "purge the leadership", but it means the same thing.

You said you like Bernie, yes? Get rid of Nancy! Put some Bernie people in there! You'll have my blessing and support!

But this CURRENT crowd, has to go.

 

[Mac1958]

I'm so sick of Democrats, I feel like they can't find their ass with both hands. I'm not voting for the insurrectionists and Trump cult, however. It's getting to the point where I may sit out elections. Both parties are abysmal.

I couldn't agree more. Maybe it's time to fix a system that is being taken advantage of by the two "major" parties.

I'm a one-issue voter now. I've had it.

#ForwardParty

 

[Mac1958]

Not enough of them. And not soon enough. Republicans will take back Congress in the fall, via the democratic will of the people, and Dems will have nothing but excuses.

I've been trying to point this stuff out since I've been here. After the 2016 elections, I was SCREAMING it, but very few Democrats here agreed.

It's ingrained in the party. And any Democrats who think this can be reversed quickly are dreaming.

 

[shockedcanadian]

This was basically the autopsy report after 2016, of COURSE they won't learn or change. They immediately shifted to trying to destroy Trump rather than admit their own policies and donors don't care nor have a clue about the average citizen. Their policies didn't shift, they doubled down with full support by MSM and other "elites".

GOP will do the same when the tables turn. This si why Trump was so important to their Parties future, even as the Neo-Cons refuse to relinquish control to the peoples will.

 

[Mac1958]

What will they do when they take it back? Hopefully they have more than the idiotic "Brandon" thing.

We're moving towards what they want: A pseudo-Christian White Nationalist Theocracy.

The question is, can the Dems do anything about it, will they listen to Jones, or will it just be more of the same from them?

 

[dblack]

Now, on to Van Jones. He's right, but he's too late. This needed to be said BEFORE Biden destroyed everything. Any New Democrat can emerge and say "yeah but we're great now! Really! Kitchen table! Economy!" and they are destroyed by Biden's gas prices and inflation, and soon, job losses and recession.

You all did this. And you deserve what's coming.

Blame whomever you like, but I don't think it will take much for Dems to defeat the Republicans. The first candidate to back off on the socialism and push back against the woke shit, if they can get nominated, will win in a landslide. Likewise, the first Republican to stare down the Trumpster retard circus will take the day. People (real people, not glassy-eyed partisans) long for sanity and consensus.

 

[Harry Dresden]

What will they do when they take it back? Hopefully they have more than the idiotic "Brandon" thing.

they cant be any worse than the 20 percenters in there now......

 

[Mac1958]

Maybe you could look at what you typed out about minorities and see why so many of them are fleeing liberalism

Once again, fantasy. I notice you couldn't actually QUOTE me.

 

[Curried Goats]

Van Jones is right but I'll get to that later.

First, how white liberals think of minorites:

it ALSO simply doesn't work as well on minorities any more.

This is how white liberals think of minorities: political tricks can "work" on them--until they don't. Well guess what, Mac. The brown people can see the machinations and they don't like it. I don't blame them. They are finding out that many Republicans don't see them as votes to be manipulated, but as children of God--as fellow Americans and citizens. And they really, gosh imagine it--they really like that. As we all should.

Get the fuck out of here. Children of God? That's the same sort of pandering shit Van Jones was talking about.

 

[Mac1958]

Elections have consequences. They'll fuck a bunch of shit up and then we'll vote the Democrats back in because we don't know any better, can't imagine better. Wash, rinse, repeat.

And this is another thing I've talked about: If this goes so badly that the RESPONSE will be far too far to the LEFT. Over-reaction: America's specialty.

This is why we have to FIX THE SYSTEM.

#ForwardParty

 

[dblack]

I'm so sick of Democrats, I feel like they can't find their ass with both hands. I'm not voting for the insurrectionists and Trump cult, however. It's getting to the point where I may sit out elections. Both parties are abysmal.

Welcome back to the light.

 

[TNHarley]

By who? You? How much longer are you going to continue to embarrass yourself with this take?

You are the one that said whites control the DNC when that is obviously not true.
Leftists are not known for intelligence. If they were intelligent, they wouldnt be leftists.
Good day, dumbfuck

 

[Curried Goats]

Blame whomever you like, but I don't think it will take much for Dems to defeat the Republicans. The first candidate to back off on the socialism and push back against the woke shit, if they can get nominated, will win in a landslide. Likewise, the first Republican to stare down the Trumpster retard circus will take the day. People (real people, not glassy-eyed partisans) long for sanity and consensus.

Who's that candidate? Name them.