DDT might have stopped Zika, but environmentalists chose mosquitoes over people

The Rightwing's peculiar demonization of Rachel Carson....

Rachel Carson has long been considered to be one of the pioneers and a heroine of the environmental movement. Her book Silent Spring (1962) was an environmental classic, and helped galvanize the early environmental movement in the U.S. It popularized the research that showed that DDT sprayed indiscriminately to kill mosquitoes was also killing a wide variety of other harmless wildlife. In particular, DDT was destroying bird populations because of the increasing concentrations of the poison as it went up the food chain, so that apex predators like hawks, falcons and eagles were dying off at alarming rates. Historians regard the banning of DDT as an early environmental success story. At the time, the ban had widespread support from both Republicans and Democrats in Congress, and DDT was finally made illegal under Nixon’s Republican administration. Carson herself died in 1964, too soon to see how her efforts led to the banning of DDT and the birth of the EPA and Environmental Defense Fund and many other environmental movement organizations.


Most of us consider Carson’s legacy settled. But one can never underestimate the anti-environmentalists and their ability to write revisionist history, and to create villains out of heroines. In a modern world with openly partisan networks like Fox, and industry-funded conservative think tanks generating their own propaganda, and with the crazy garbage that flies across the internet, even environmental saints like Rachel Carson cannot escape the abuse.


As Oreskes and Conway (2010, Chapter 7) document in detail, since 2007 the right-wing and libertarian organizations are calling Rachel Carson a mass-murderer. What? Did they even read about her life? This shy, humble scientist a mass murderer? Their “reasoning”: because her work led to the banning of DDT, thousands of Africans died of malaria, which might not have happened if DDT were available to them. I won’t rehash the entire ill-informed and crazy, convoluted thinking of these people, since Oreskes and Conway (2010) have done it already. The reality of the whole argument is that even if DDT had not been banned, its use would have stopped anyway because insects had evolved resistance to it. DDT was already being phased out at the time of the ban, and other pesticides that worked better and didn’t damage too many harmless animals were being used instead—because DDT didn’t work! If, as these people propose, DDT had been sprayed across the waterways of Africa, it would not have saved any lives whatsoever because of the evolution of resistance. In fact, many other pesticides that have since been used over the years are now useless because insect pests (especially mosquitoes) evolve resistance so quickly. Yet these people manage to distort history as badly as any Holocaust-denier—except instead of trying to exonerate the Nazis of genocide, they turn Rachel Carson into a mass murderer.
 
Yes, the idea that we should consider the quality of life for all living things interferes with unbridled greed, and anything that does that is an anathema to 'Conservatives'.
 
Actually just stop allowing eugenics and biological terrorist companies sell all this type shit. Problem solved for those who purposely turn shit lose in order to meet their needs to shoot everyone and their brother up with unneeded vaccines.
 
Actually just stop allowing eugenics and biological terrorist companies sell all this type shit. Problem solved for those who purposely turn shit lose in order to meet their needs to shoot everyone and their brother up with unneeded vaccines.

Oh my, just take the pretty pills the nice nurse has for you, and go quietly back to your nice room with the soft walls. It will all be much better tomorrow.
 
Actually just stop allowing eugenics and biological terrorist companies sell all this type shit. Problem solved for those who purposely turn shit lose in order to meet their needs to shoot everyone and their brother up with unneeded vaccines.


One of the leading threats to US populace is a release of a biological agent in a third world country which has unrestricted flights to the US. IF you set loose a biological agent in one of these countries it will be rampant and out of control long before it can be stopped by current medical practice and policies.

Had the recent Ebola outbreak been airborne, a pandemic would have been assured. The fact that third world countries have the capabilities to create super bugs or be the host (incubator) for one is scary as hell.
 
Actually just stop allowing eugenics and biological terrorist companies sell all this type shit. Problem solved for those who purposely turn shit lose in order to meet their needs to shoot everyone and their brother up with unneeded vaccines.

Oh my, just take the pretty pills the nice nurse has for you, and go quietly back to your nice room with the soft walls. It will all be much better tomorrow.

Piss off!
 
Actually just stop allowing eugenics and biological terrorist companies sell all this type shit. Problem solved for those who purposely turn shit lose in order to meet their needs to shoot everyone and their brother up with unneeded vaccines.


One of the leading threats to US populace is a release of a biological agent in a third world country which has unrestricted flights to the US. IF you set loose a biological agent in one of these countries it will be rampant and out of control long before it can be stopped by current medical practice and policies.

Had the recent Ebola outbreak been airborne, a pandemic would have been assured. The fact that third world countries have the capabilities to create super bugs or be the host (incubator) for one is scary as hell.
I'm trying to recall the name of that whacko professor in Texas that thought Ebola should be used in aerosol form and used for depopulation? That was about 2005 or so.
 
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4). DDT Ban: The biggest example of the media coming to the aid of environmentalism is, of course, is the worldwide ban of DDT. In 1962, a book titled Silent Spring written by American biologist Rachel Carson was published. The media pushed Carson’s work as settled science. It later came to light that much of Carson’s “evidence” was simply manufactured and the ban has been responsible for untold millions of deaths in places like Africa. Still, the media continues to cite Carson’s work as fact.

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The Top 50 Liberal Media Bias Examples
 
F' DDT and the chemical companies and people who keep pushing this shit onto the enviroment and people to make a buck or two. The chemical nazi's at DOW and BASF need to keep their poisonous shit to themselves and quit poisoning life. The soil half-life for DDT is from 2 to 16 years. The half-life of DDT in an aquatic environment is about 150 years. DDT is moderately acutely toxic to birds when ingested. It is no longer registered for use in the United States and just because Monsanto or whoever is losing money because no one wants their shit poisoning the enviroment doesn't mean they have a right to put in back into use. Their bad business practices and decisions do not mean they can just poison the enviroment we all live in because they say it should be so. Also mosquitoes have a gene that makes them resistant to DDT.

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This thread should suck in some liberals like mosquitoes to blood...

DDT MIGHT HAVE STOPPED ZIKA, BUT ENVIRONMENTALISTS CHOSE MOSQUITOES OVER PEOPLE
January 28, 2016
Daniel Greenfield

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The Zika virus outbreak is the latest batch of blood on the dirty hands of Rachel Carson and the entire environmental movement which puts mosquitoes ahead of people. There was a time when we beat insect-born diseases through simple and easymethods that worked.

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But environmentalists eradicated DDT instead. DDTworked in Brazil.

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Environmentalists love control policies.

The quickest way to stop it in Brazil will be to attack the mosquitoes. The Olympics are near. Perhaps DDT will make a comeback.

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That view comes fromHugh Pennington, a professor of bacteriology at the University of Aberdeen, Scotland who was appointed Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE).

The bottom line is that this isa mosquito problem, which requires eradicating them. And environmentalists really, really hate that. So you can bet Obama won't go that route.

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We could just start eradicating mosquitoes using methods and technology that works. Or we could tell women to stop getting pregnant. You just know how much environmentalists and the Zero Population Growth crowd loves the second option.

Anyway environmentalists have already shifted to blaming the Zika virus on Global Warming, because the angry Flying Global Warming Monster is responsible for all our ills, including the Syrian Civil War, the Cologne sex attacks and absolutely any other thing you can think of.

And the Rachel Carson Environmentalist Genocide rolls on.

DDT Might Have Stopped Zika, but Environmentalists Chose Mosquitoes Over People

What a bunch of self-serving propoganda.

Mosquitos were already becoming resistant to DDT by the time it was banned.

If Malaria's the Problem, DDT's Not the Only Answer
What people aren't remembering about the history of DDT is that, in many places, it failed to eradicate malaria not because of environmentalist restrictions on its use but because it simply stopped working. Insects have a phenomenal capacity to adapt to new poisons; anything that kills a large proportion of a population ends up changing the insects' genetic composition so as to favor those few individuals that manage to survive due to random mutation. In the continued presence of the insecticide, susceptible populations can be rapidly replaced by resistant ones. Though widespread use of DDT didn't begin until WWII, there were resistant houseflies in Europe by 1947, and by 1949, DDT-resistant mosquitoes were documented on two continents.
That's all we need more liberal poppycock from wile e coyote...
At least like most conservatives you're consistent at being ridiculous and wrong.
 
This thread should suck in some liberals like mosquitoes to blood...

DDT MIGHT HAVE STOPPED ZIKA, BUT ENVIRONMENTALISTS CHOSE MOSQUITOES OVER PEOPLE
January 28, 2016
Daniel Greenfield

scientist-rachel-carson-1907-1964-everett.jpg


The Zika virus outbreak is the latest batch of blood on the dirty hands of Rachel Carson and the entire environmental movement which puts mosquitoes ahead of people. There was a time when we beat insect-born diseases through simple and easymethods that worked.

...

But environmentalists eradicated DDT instead. DDTworked in Brazil.

...

Environmentalists love control policies.

The quickest way to stop it in Brazil will be to attack the mosquitoes. The Olympics are near. Perhaps DDT will make a comeback.

...

That view comes fromHugh Pennington, a professor of bacteriology at the University of Aberdeen, Scotland who was appointed Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE).

The bottom line is that this isa mosquito problem, which requires eradicating them. And environmentalists really, really hate that. So you can bet Obama won't go that route.

...

We could just start eradicating mosquitoes using methods and technology that works. Or we could tell women to stop getting pregnant. You just know how much environmentalists and the Zero Population Growth crowd loves the second option.

Anyway environmentalists have already shifted to blaming the Zika virus on Global Warming, because the angry Flying Global Warming Monster is responsible for all our ills, including the Syrian Civil War, the Cologne sex attacks and absolutely any other thing you can think of.

And the Rachel Carson Environmentalist Genocide rolls on.

DDT Might Have Stopped Zika, but Environmentalists Chose Mosquitoes Over People

What a bunch of self-serving propoganda.

Mosquitos were already becoming resistant to DDT by the time it was banned.

If Malaria's the Problem, DDT's Not the Only Answer
What people aren't remembering about the history of DDT is that, in many places, it failed to eradicate malaria not because of environmentalist restrictions on its use but because it simply stopped working. Insects have a phenomenal capacity to adapt to new poisons; anything that kills a large proportion of a population ends up changing the insects' genetic composition so as to favor those few individuals that manage to survive due to random mutation. In the continued presence of the insecticide, susceptible populations can be rapidly replaced by resistant ones. Though widespread use of DDT didn't begin until WWII, there were resistant houseflies in Europe by 1947, and by 1949, DDT-resistant mosquitoes were documented on two continents.
That's all we need more liberal poppycock from wile e coyote...
At least like most conservatives you're consistent at being ridiculous and wrong.
You haven't posted any threads from 2012 and you just sound like a broken record. It's the same thing on every thread " ridiculous and wrong", talk about nothing to say. Face it your a moron...:bye1:
 
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4). DDT Ban: The biggest example of the media coming to the aid of environmentalism is, of course, is the worldwide ban of DDT. In 1962, a book titled Silent Spring written by American biologist Rachel Carson was published. The media pushed Carson’s work as settled science. It later came to light that much of Carson’s “evidence” was simply manufactured and the ban has been responsible for untold millions of deaths in places like Africa. Still, the media continues to cite Carson’s work as fact.

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The Top 50 Liberal Media Bias Examples


You conservatives sure went out of your way to demonize Carson and environmentalists.

For example manufacturing the claim that "DDT prevented 500 million deaths": Junkscience’s misinformation about DDT

And the so-called "media bias"..... Accuracy: A good bias (DDT again)

Most environmentalists would like to know where they might find a bias in their favor anywhere in America. The most famous recent environmental case is that of former Vice President Al Gore, whose participation in an Academy Award-winning documentary about climate change is ridiculed hundreds of times daily by news commentators, internet pundits, and Bush administration officials. This is the situation that environmentalists have almost always faced, with the possible exception of when Theodore Roosevelt himself led the charge up environmental protection hill.


Rachel Carson’s book was met in 1962 with a well-funded campaign by pesticide manufacturers, claiming she was in error. At every step of the long process in DDT reduction, from the first restrictions by the U.S. Department of Agriculture in 1958 to today’s court fights over Superfund cleanup sites such as those off the coast of California, in Houston, and in the Hudson River Valley, environmentalists are the underdogs, underfunded, underlawyered, fortified only with hard science and tenacity — nobody goes into environmentalism to get rich.

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Malaria is a tough group of parasites, many of the worst of which have developed resistance to the drugs used to treat victims. Climate change has expanded the range of the vectors of the disease, spreading the range of the mosquitoes that carry the parasite to humans. Deforestation in places like Kenya, coupled with population concentrations in cities, has provided a fertile ground for malaria to spread to humans. Poverty prevents many people from providing the basic means to fight malaria and mosquitoes — cheap malaria prophylactic drugs, screens on windows, and so forth. Unstable governments in many nations contribute to the difficulty public health officials have in mounting serious campaigns against the disease.

If the public health officials exist at all.

None of these issues can be blamed on environmentalists or environmentalism, yet each of these has played a larger role in malaria’s recent rebound than environmentalists possibly could.

Plus there is this nagging fact: Environmentalists have argued in favor of DDT use where appropriate to fight malaria — it would be difficult to find any case where environmentalists said “let malaria rage” for any reason.
 
The Sound Canadian Research Behind Rachel Carson’s Silent Spring

However, the book also had its detractors. The United States chemical industry, for example, waged an aggressive campaign to discredit Carson’s work in the 1960s. More recently, different individuals and organizations with pro-free market and anti-regulation inclinations have launched a revisionist attack against Carson’s legacy. As historians of science and technology Naomi Oreskes and Erik M. Conway point out in their book, “free marketers realized that if you could convince people that an example of successful government regulation [e.g., the ban on DDT] wasn’t, in fact, successful–that it was actually a mistake–you could strengthen the argument against regulation in general.”[1] One of the main criticisms offered by the anti-Carson crowd is that Silent Spring was not based on “sound” science, which can be interpreted in two main ways: either Carson relied on scientific studies that were inaccurate, or else her research gathering process was not very meticulous.


My own research on the exchange of scientific knowledge between Carson and several scientists in the province of New Brunswick, Canada, from 1958 to 1961 strongly supports the notion that the former interpretation is incorrect (some of this research has already been published in the journal Acadiensis). New Brunswick was the site of a massive DDT aerial spraying program to control the eastern spruce budworm in the 1950s and 1960s. During this period, the province was also the home of renowned scientists who were conducting pre- and post-spray research on species commonly used as ecological indices: fish, birds, and insects. The ecological data generated by these scientists were crucial for parts of Carson’s case in Silent Spring, and their findings were later backed up by numerous other studies in the 1960s and 1970s. For example, two New Brunswick biologists with the Fisheries Research Board of Canada, C.J. Kerswill and P.F. Elson, were the first scientists to demonstrate the harmful effects of DDT on Atlantic salmon in a large river watershed. Their studies, plus those of their colleagues, formed the scientific foundation of the first quarter of Carson’s ninth chapter, titled “Rivers of Death.”
 
The Lies of Rachel Carson
by Dr. J. Gordon Edwards

(Full text, without tables and illustrations, from the Summer 1992 21st Century)

A well-known entomologist documents some of the misstatements in Carson’s Silent Spring, the 1962 book that poisoned public opinion against DDT and other pesticides.

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Entomologist
J. Gordon Edwards

In 1962, when Rachel Carson published her book Silent Spring, I was delighted. I belonged to several environmental-type organizations, had no feelings of respect for industry or big business, had one of my own books published by the Sierra Club, and I had written articles for The Indiana Waltonian, Audubon Magazine, and other environmental magazines.

At the time, I had been engaged in field work at the University of Wyoming research station in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, for three summers and I worked as biological coordinator for the National Park Service in Glacier National Park. I eagerly read the condensed version of Silent Spring in the New Yorker magazine and bought a copy of the book as soon as I could find it in the stores. As I read the first several chapters I noticed many statements that I realized were false; however, one can overlook such things when they are produced by one’s cohorts, and I did just that.

As I neared the middle of the book, the feeling grew in my mind that Rachel Carson was really playing loose with the facts and was also deliberately wording many sentences in such a way as to make them imply certain things without actually saying them. She was carefully omitting everything that failed to support her thesis that pesticides were bad, that industry was bad, and that any scientists who did not support her views were bad.



Dedication: A Lie

Birds Vs. Human Deaths





I then took notice of her bibliography and realized that it was filled with references from very unscientific sources. Also, each reference was cited separately each time it appeared in the book, thus producing an impressive array of “references” even though not many different sources were actually cited. I began to lose confidence in Rachel Carson, even though I thought that as an environmentalist I really should continue to support her.

I next looked up some of the references that Carson cited and quickly found that they did not support her contentions about the harm caused by pesticides. When leading scientists began to publish harsh criticisms of her methods and her allegations, it slowly dawned on me that Rachel Carson was not interested in the truth about those topics, and that I really was being duped, along with millions of other Americans.

As a result, I went back to the beginning of the book and read it all again, but this time my eyes were open and I was not lulled into believing that her motives were noble and that her statements could be supported by logic and by scientific fact. I wrote my comments down in rough draft style, and gathered together the scientific articles that refuted what Carson had reported the articles indicated. It was a most frustrating experience.

Finally, I began to join the detractors of Silent Spring, and when hearings were held to determine the fate of DDT in various states of this nation, I paid my own way to some of them so that I could testify against the efforts to ban that life-saving insecticide. It was gratifying to find that great numbers of scientists and health officials whom I had always held in high esteem were also testifying at those hearings, in defense of DDT and in opposition to the rising tide of antipesticide propaganda in environmental publications and in the media.

In testifying and speaking in public, I frequently exposed the misleading references Rachel Carson had cited in her book, presenting her statements from Silent Spring and then reading the truth from the actual publications she was purporting to characterize. This revealed to the audiences just how untruthful and misleading the allegations of Silent Spring really were.

Now, nearly 30 years later, the controversy is still boiling about how truthful Rachel Carson was. I recently learned that a movie honoring Rachel Carson and Silent Spring is being made for television. Because I believe such a movie would further misinform the public, the media, and our legislators, I decided to type up my original rough notes from 1962-1963 and make them available. Here they are, page by page, starting with her dedication.

Dedication: A Lie

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The Lies of Rachel Carson
 
Was Rachel Carson always right? Of course not, but she was more right than wrong...

Science in the 1950s lacked the powerful analytical tools that scientists have today. Research subsequent to Silent Spring has strengthened our understanding of how pesticides operate and how they should be used.

"Errors of fact (within 'Silent Spring') are so infrequent, trivial, and irrelevant to the main theme that it would be ungallant to dwell on them."
LAMONT COLE, PROFESSOR OF ECOLOGY AT CORNELL UNIVERSITY,
SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN


“It is not my contention that chemical insecticides must never be used. I do contend that we have put poisonous and biologically potent chemicals indiscriminately into the hands of persons largely or wholly ignorant of their potentials for harm.”
RACHEL CARSON
Silent Spring, Page 12 (2002 Edition)
 
DDT was already failing when Rachel Carson wrote her book, and it wasn't Rachel Carson that banned it, it was the Republican Nixon Administration.

People also lost trust in DDT for a much more fundamental reason, though, as journalist Aaron Swartz put it, it’s “not one conservatives are particularly fond of: evolution.” Mosquitoes can produce multiple generations over the course of a year. Any pesticide will wipe out the vulnerable ones — and the ones that happen to be resistant because of some quirk in their biology or behavior rapidly take their place and proliferate. Thus DDT was already becoming ineffective in the early 1950s, so much so that in 1960, two years before Carson’s book, The New York Times headlined an article “Malaria Battle in Doubt; Warning Voiced That Carrier of Disease Could Outwit World's Scientific Skills.

If conservatives genuinely wanted to get at the reasons malaria eradication failed, they should be targeting the government agencies and pesticide manufacturers (among them Monsanto and Ciba, now part of BASF) who destroyed the effectiveness of DDT by promoting its massive overuse. Incredibly, the United States used 80 million pounds of DDT in 1959, much of it sprayed in a dense fog across forests and farm fields. All Rachel Carson did was to raise legitimate questions about the environmental and health dangers of this completely untested DDT abuse.


What Rachel Carson objected to was the broad and reckless use of DDT.
 
DDT almost wiped out the bald eagle, at least around here. I'm kind of glad it won't have to be used again, since it would probably do a lot of collateral damage. If we had to wipe out every eagle, frog and salmon, it would be worth it, though, to not have thousands and thousands of babies born with microencephaly. Poor little buggers.
 
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