Dark Matter = God?

[edthecynic]

No one has said it doesn't. I don't think you understand at all what you're trying to talk about.

OK, since you acknowledge that Dark Matter must exist everywhere in the universe, then why does it ONLY accelerate matter at the farthest extremes of the universe?????

It doesn't, you idiot. Maybe you need to start with something easier for you to understand.

From the point of the Big Bang the universe is expanding and slowing down. So how can that part of the universe be decelerating if Dark Matter is accelerating the entire universe as you falsely claim?

You are very good a spewing insults about how stupid I am, but you not smart enough to explain anything!!!

 

[Bloodrock44]

Maybe this universe is just an atom floating around in God's little toe?

 

[edthecynic]

Maybe this universe is just an atom floating around in God's little toe?

Or an electron in someone else's universe!

 

[Unkotare]

OK, since you acknowledge that Dark Matter must exist everywhere in the universe, then why does it ONLY accelerate matter at the farthest extremes of the universe?????

It doesn't, you idiot. Maybe you need to start with something easier for you to understand.

From the point of the Big Bang the universe is expanding and slowing down. So how can that part of the universe be decelerating if Dark Matter is accelerating the entire universe as you falsely claim?

Holy crap. You are really not getting this.

 

[HenryBHough]

Dark matter DOES exist.

If it suddenly didn't Joe Biden would be president.

 

[edthecynic]

It doesn't, you idiot. Maybe you need to start with something easier for you to understand.

From the point of the Big Bang the universe is expanding and slowing down. So how can that part of the universe be decelerating if Dark Matter is accelerating the entire universe as you falsely claim?

Holy crap. You are really not getting this.

I get that you have no answers.

 

[Unkotare]

From the point of the Big Bang the universe is expanding and slowing down. So how can that part of the universe be decelerating if Dark Matter is accelerating the entire universe as you falsely claim?

Holy crap. You are really not getting this.

I get that you have no answers.

None that you are capable of understanding, it seems.

 

[edthecynic]

Holy crap. You are really not getting this.

I get that you have no answers.

None that you are capable of understanding, it seems.

None that you are capable of expressing would be a more honest answer!

 

[Unkotare]

I get that you have no answers.

None that you are capable of understanding, it seems.

None that you are capable of expressing would be a more honest answer!

Let someone else try:

Where is the centre of the universe?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Most of the universe is either dark energy or dark matter. The reason this energy might in some sense be God is based on the Biblical teaching that God is invisible yet holds everything together.

Could Dark Energy Be God? | God and Brain​

God can be measured?

Well God is all of it. Dark energy, Dark matter, apparent energy and apparent matter. God is nature, which we have the means to understand and God is nature beyond our means to understand.

If we were capable of fully understanding God, we would be God or something close.

When I think of God, I am reminded of an experience I had decades ago, which literally killed me.

I would love to explain it to you, but with the exception of those things that are translatable, there's truly no means to convey to another, what happened, as it defies pretty much everything we 'know', from our common experiences.

Suffice it to say that this 'existence' is something which is happening simultaneously with something else. "Death" is much akin to 'walking from one room into another'. You just go, with the full understanding that you were here, but you're going 'there'. There's no remorse in leaving, it's wholly without emotion, pure reason. There are no regrets, no sadness, no anxiety. No since of loss. At that time, I was 'given' a choice. But it wasn't actually a choice, very hard to explain, but for the sake of the explanation: I 'chose' to stay because I 'knew' that I still had serious responsibilities here and that others seriously depended upon me and that my leaving would leave them in a bad place.

I expect that had my body been decimated, that I would have just gone on, knowing that I had no means to stay and that would have been that.

But the processes were amazing. Impossible to describe, really, but 'time' as we casually think of it, shifts.

I'll use the phrases 'Speed up' and 'slow down', which aren't precisely accurate, 'phase and sync' are probably closer, but whatever gets the idea across will do, to an extent. It's a perception thing.

I guess the best way to describe it would be to consider, if a mountain could reason, it would likely have a perspective much different from our own. We use values like second, minute hour year, century and so on... imagine if you had no perspective of day.

But Imagine what 'the world' would look like, if what is a year to us, went by, perceptively, as a fraction of a second.

The movement of humanity would be imperceptible. "Night" and "Day" would average to a glow. Rain and drought, heat and cold would average to a flat consistent states and, so on.

Now imagine the inverse, a fraction of our second, let's call it a thousandth of a second, passed in our year? The planet, our environment would appear FROZEN to us. A century would, two decades beyond the average human life, would be come and gone in a hundredth of a second. But what we perceived as frozen, unmoving fixed features, were in fact, moving just as you and I would normally see them. Nothing changed but the perception of time.

It all happens in the same 'time'. All that differs is how it is perceived as 'real', by us, with our gear. If you could control your means to exist within differing phases of time, you could turn to stone, or become apparently invisible, literally being in MANY different places, occupying the same space, with anything, at the same 'time'. Apparently defying the laws of physics. Being, 'apparently', SUPER-NATURAL. Despite your being perfectly natural, just capable of shifting the phase of time. It's mighty interesting stuff to think about.

Now... I know, what little I know of this, as a 'fact', because I experienced it. (Please spare me the 'brains use of hormonal discharges at death and all that crap, which I am sure occurs, but just because we are aware of a given process, does not mean that we understand everything about it.)

But I imagine that dark energy and matter are forces in play which are on the edge of our means to perceive. We may discover its composition tomorrow, which would be great. But we may never fully understand the forces and properties that such possesses and the role they play or the purpose of such in the grand scheme of things, because our minds are only designed to get us through this 'verse'... this reality, this environment. It's a wonderful tool, but at the end of the day it is only considering information which is set against a very narrow scope of parameters.

Now, without being able to define every facet of the understanding, I believe that 'life' is multifaceted.

That 'where' we are, is simply a point in an infinite series of reflections. What we look out and 'see' in the night sky is the atomic scale of another fractal 'verse' and that we can only 'see' to a given extent, imagine to another, but somewhere beyond infinity there is another and another and another ... . What's more, I believe that it turns inward in precisely the same way. That 'inside' us, stands someone looking out at their night sky, seeing the 'stars' and galaxies of our atomic substructure, and 'within' them, are others who look out and see the atomic structure of the former entities 'verse'. With time expanding outwardly and contracting inwardly.

The terms 'outward' and 'inward', 'expansion' and 'contraction' being poorly suited for the explanation, but as close as I am able to get. (If someone has a better way to explain it, I'd love to hear it, as I have hammered on this stuff for a long time and anything that could help get the point across would be great.)

With regard to whether 'God can be measured', one would need to at least have some means to understand the composition of God to do so and, clearly we do not and likely will never get sufficiently close to even know what questions might be asked to begin experiments which might some day, lead to an understanding of such.

At the end of the day, I doubt any of it matters a wit. As we have other purposes for being here and our understanding why we're here and what makes it work, not being relevant to any of it, what so ever.

Anywho, that's my two cents. I've enjoyed the thread very much and am looking forward to reading more as the discussion unfolds.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Most of the universe is either dark energy or dark matter. The reason this energy might in some sense be God is based on the Biblical teaching that God is invisible yet holds everything together.

Could Dark Energy Be God? | God and Brain​

God can be measured?

Well God is all of it. Dark energy, Dark matter, apparent energy and apparent matter. God is nature, which we have the means to understand and God is nature beyond our means to understand.

If we were capable of fully understanding God, we would be God or something close.

When I think of God, I am reminded of an experience I had decades ago, which literally killed me.

I would love to explain it to you, but with the exception of those things that are translatable, there's truly no means to convey to another, what happened, as it defies pretty much everything we 'know', from our common experiences.

Suffice it to say that this 'existence' is something which is happening simultaneously with something else. "Death" is much akin to 'walking from one room into another'. You just go, with the full understanding that you were here, but you're going 'there'. There's no remorse in leaving, it's wholly without emotion, pure reason. There are no regrets, no sadness, no anxiety. No since of loss....

You lost me at the paragraph where you make it seem like you have experiential knowledge of death.

Or are you going to link to documentation of some other Monkeys experiential knowledge of death?


No matter... either way, I call "bullshit!"




The Monkey who documents experiential knowledge of what lay beyond death's door gets to end the need for religion on this world.

That would be huge! ​

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

God can be measured?

Well God is all of it. Dark energy, Dark matter, apparent energy and apparent matter. God is nature, which we have the means to understand and God is nature beyond our means to understand.

If we were capable of fully understanding God, we would be God or something close.

When I think of God, I am reminded of an experience I had decades ago, which literally killed me.

I would love to explain it to you, but with the exception of those things that are translatable, there's truly no means to convey to another, what happened, as it defies pretty much everything we 'know', from our common experiences.

Suffice it to say that this 'existence' is something which is happening simultaneously with something else. "Death" is much akin to 'walking from one room into another'. You just go, with the full understanding that you were here, but you're going 'there'. There's no remorse in leaving, it's wholly without emotion, pure reason. There are no regrets, no sadness, no anxiety. No since of loss....

You lost me at the paragraph where you make it seem like you have experiential knowledge of death.

Or are you going to link to documentation of some other Monkeys experiential knowledge of death?


No matter... either way, I call "bullshit!"




The Monkey who documents experiential knowledge of what lay beyond death's door gets to end the need for religion on this world.

That would be huge! ​

Well, you're entitled to be an idiot.

And I gotta say, it really seems to suitcha.

So, it serves reason that you'd go with what fits best.

Feel better? ​

 

[Mr. H.]

God is neither energy nor matter.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

God is neither energy nor matter.

No? KEWL!

Now you're basing this on what?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

OH no...

Not again!

Nothing coming to mind?

Man I HATE it when perfectly good assertion, falls flat on its face due to a total lack of reason.

 

[edthecynic]

None that you are capable of understanding, it seems.

None that you are capable of expressing would be a more honest answer!

Let someone else try:

Where is the centre of the universe?

Well, at least you are trying.

The Universe & Big Bang Theory | Universe History, Age & Structure, Space Exploration | Space.com

Universe – Overview

The universe was born with the Big Bang as an unimaginably hot, dense point. When the universe was just 10-34 of a second or so old — that is, a hundredth of a billionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second in age — it experienced an incredible burst of expansion known as inflation, in which space itself expanded faster than the speed of light. During this period, the universe doubled in size at least 90 times, going from subatomic-sized to golf-ball-sized almost instantaneously.

After inflation, the growth of the universe continued, but at a slower rate. As space expanded, the universe cooled and matter formed. One second after the Big Bang, the universe was filled with neutrons, protons, electrons, anti-electrons, photons and neutrinos.

snip/

Roughly 380,000 years after the Big Bang, matter cooled enough for atoms to form during the era of recombination, resulting in a transparent, electrically neutral gas. This set loose the initial flash of light created during the Big Bang, which is detectable today as cosmic microwave background radiation. However, after this point, the universe was plunged into darkness, since no stars or any other bright objects had formed yet.

About 400 million years after the Big Bang, the universe began to emerge from the cosmic dark ages during the epoch of reionization. During this time, which lasted more than a half-billion years, clumps of gas collapsed enough to form the first stars and galaxies, whose energetic ultraviolet light ionized and destroyed most of the neutral hydrogen.

Although the expansion of the universe gradually slowed down as the matter in the universe pulled on itself via gravity, about 5 or 6 billion years after the Big Bang, a mysterious force now called dark energy began speeding up the expansion of the universe again, a phenomenon that continues today.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Well God is all of it. Dark energy, Dark matter, apparent energy and apparent matter. God is nature, which we have the means to understand and God is nature beyond our means to understand.

If we were capable of fully understanding God, we would be God or something close.

When I think of God, I am reminded of an experience I had decades ago, which literally killed me.

I would love to explain it to you, but with the exception of those things that are translatable, there's truly no means to convey to another, what happened, as it defies pretty much everything we 'know', from our common experiences.

Suffice it to say that this 'existence' is something which is happening simultaneously with something else. "Death" is much akin to 'walking from one room into another'. You just go, with the full understanding that you were here, but you're going 'there'. There's no remorse in leaving, it's wholly without emotion, pure reason. There are no regrets, no sadness, no anxiety. No since of loss....

You lost me at the paragraph where you make it seem like you have experiential knowledge of death.

Or are you going to link to documentation of some other Monkeys experiential knowledge of death?


No matter... either way, I call "bullshit!"




The Monkey who documents experiential knowledge of what lay beyond death's door gets to end the need for religion on this world.

That would be huge! ​

Well, you're entitled to be an idiot.

And I gotta say, it really seems to suitcha.

So, it serves reason that you'd go with what fits best.

Feel better? ​

And you sir, are entitled to insult, dodge and redirect. But that still doesn't document experiential knowledge of death, either personal or second hand, on your part.


Considering that your pointless, personal insults and over-formatting will now go down in history as tantamount admission that my call of "bullshit!" on your post is righteous.....

​

 

[AVG-JOE]

OH no...

Not again!

Nothing coming to mind?

Man I HATE it when perfectly good assertion, falls flat on its face due to a total lack of reason.

​

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

You lost me at the paragraph where you make it seem like you have experiential knowledge of death.

Or are you going to link to documentation of some other Monkeys experiential knowledge of death?


No matter... either way, I call "bullshit!"




The Monkey who documents experiential knowledge of what lay beyond death's door gets to end the need for religion on this world.

That would be huge! ​

Well, you're entitled to be an idiot.

And I gotta say, it really seems to suitcha.

So, it serves reason that you'd go with what fits best.

Feel better? ​

And you sir, are entitled to insult, dodge and redirect. But that still doesn't document experiential knowledge of death, either personal or second hand, on your part.


Considering that your pointless, personal insults and over-formatting will now go down in history as tantamount admission that my call of "bullshit!" on your post is righteous.....

​

No?

Are you sure?

Let's take a look at what "Document" means and see if you're correct.

Document: a piece of written, printed, or electronic matter that provides information or evidence or that serves as an official record.

Uh oh! It turns out that based upon objective reference authority, I DID document experiential knowledge of death, and from first hand, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE!

Go figure.

Now to be fair, the above contributor is a known advocate of socialism, on this here board.

Socialism rests in Relativism.

Relativism rejects Objectivity.

Objectivity is ESSENTIAL TO TRUTH, TRUST, MORALITY AND JUSTICE.

Therefore, absent objectivity, the Relativist is incapable of recognizing truth, thus has no means to trust and no potential basis on which to understand or rest any sense of soundly reasoned morality. Absent a sound sense of morality, the lowly relativist is incapable of serving or otherwise recognizing, thus cannot serve, justice.

Now for those that missed my documented experiential knowledge of death, I am providing such for your consideration.

I hope you enjoy it as much as I enjoyed conveying it:

Most of the universe is either dark energy or dark matter. The reason this energy might in some sense be God is based on the Biblical teaching that God is invisible yet holds everything together.

Could Dark Energy Be God? | God and Brain​

God can be measured?

Well God is all of it. Dark energy, Dark matter, apparent energy and apparent matter. God is nature, which we have the means to understand and God is nature beyond our means to understand.

If we were capable of fully understanding God, we would be God or something close.

When I think of God, I am reminded of an experience I had decades ago, which literally killed me.

I would love to explain it to you, but with the exception of those things that are translatable, there's truly no means to convey to another, what happened, as it defies pretty much everything we 'know', from our common experiences.

Suffice it to say that this 'existence' is something which is happening simultaneously with something else. "Death" is much akin to 'walking from one room into another'. You just go, with the full understanding that you were here, but you're going 'there'. There's no remorse in leaving, it's wholly without emotion, pure reason. There are no regrets, no sadness, no anxiety. No since of loss. At that time, I was 'given' a choice. But it wasn't actually a choice, very hard to explain, but for the sake of the explanation: I 'chose' to stay because I 'knew' that I still had serious responsibilities here and that others seriously depended upon me and that my leaving would leave them in a bad place.

I expect that had my body been decimated, that I would have just gone on, knowing that I had no means to stay and that would have been that.

But the processes were amazing. Impossible to describe, really, but 'time' as we casually think of it, shifts.

I'll use the phrases 'Speed up' and 'slow down', which aren't precisely accurate, 'phase and sync' are probably closer, but whatever gets the idea across will do, to an extent. It's a perception thing.

I guess the best way to describe it would be to consider, if a mountain could reason, it would likely have a perspective much different from our own. We use values like second, minute hour year, century and so on... imagine if you had no perspective of day.

But Imagine what 'the world' would look like, if what is a year to us, went by, perceptively, as a fraction of a second.

The movement of humanity would be imperceptible. "Night" and "Day" would average to a glow. Rain and drought, heat and cold would average to a flat consistent states and, so on.

Now imagine the inverse, a fraction of our second, let's call it a thousandth of a second, passed in our year? The planet, our environment would appear FROZEN to us. A century would, two decades beyond the average human life, would be come and gone in a hundredth of a second. But what we perceived as frozen, unmoving fixed features, were in fact, moving just as you and I would normally see them. Nothing changed but the perception of time.

It all happens in the same 'time'. All that differs is how it is perceived as 'real', by us, with our gear. If you could control your means to exist within differing phases of time, you could turn to stone, or become apparently invisible, literally being in MANY different places, occupying the same space, with anything, at the same 'time'. Apparently defying the laws of physics. Being, 'apparently', SUPER-NATURAL. Despite your being perfectly natural, just capable of shifting the phase of time. It's mighty interesting stuff to think about.

Now... I know, what little I know of this, as a 'fact', because I experienced it. (Please spare me the 'brains use of hormonal discharges at death and all that crap, which I am sure occurs, but just because we are aware of a given process, does not mean that we understand everything about it.)

But I imagine that dark energy and matter are forces in play which are on the edge of our means to perceive. We may discover its composition tomorrow, which would be great. But we may never fully understand the forces and properties that such possesses and the role they play or the purpose of such in the grand scheme of things, because our minds are only designed to get us through this 'verse'... this reality, this environment. It's a wonderful tool, but at the end of the day it is only considering information which is set against a very narrow scope of parameters.

Now, without being able to define every facet of the understanding, I believe that 'life' is multifaceted.

That 'where' we are, is simply a point in an infinite series of reflections. What we look out and 'see' in the night sky is the atomic scale of another fractal 'verse' and that we can only 'see' to a given extent, imagine to another, but somewhere beyond infinity there is another and another and another ... . What's more, I believe that it turns inward in precisely the same way. That 'inside' us, stands someone looking out at their night sky, seeing the 'stars' and galaxies of our atomic substructure, and 'within' them, are others who look out and see the atomic structure of the former entities 'verse'. With time expanding outwardly and contracting inwardly.

The terms 'outward' and 'inward', 'expansion' and 'contraction' being poorly suited for the explanation, but as close as I am able to get. (If someone has a better way to explain it, I'd love to hear it, as I have hammered on this stuff for a long time and anything that could help get the point across would be great.)

At the end of the day, I doubt any of it matters a wit. As we have other purposes for being here and our understanding why we're here and what makes it work, not being relevant to any of it, what so ever.

Anywho, that's my two cents. I've enjoyed the thread very much and am looking forward to reading more as the discussion unfolds.

 

[Unkotare]

None that you are capable of expressing would be a more honest answer!

Let someone else try:

Where is the centre of the universe?

Well, at least you are trying.

But will you?