Criticism of Israel is NOT Anti-Semitism

[Roudy]

The least you could do is learn to spell antisemitism. Being against Zionism, as some Jews are, is not antisemitism.

Fuck off, you are an anti Semetic pig, obsessed with the destruction of Israel, like a typical anti Semite.

 

[Roudy]

Do you mean that Ukrainians cannot be against Russian nationalism of the people in the East of Ukraine? Do you mean that Palestinians cannot be against an ideology that evicted them from their homes? What an extraordinary notion. Demonstrates how delusional these zionutters are.

O.K., Nostrodamus, what is your definition of anti-Zionist and remember, the subject is about Jews.

I thought the subject was about criticism of Israel, not Jewish people?

Is that what the OP says?

Forgot, English isn't your first language.

What's yours Achmed, Arabic?

 

[montelatici]

The least you could do is learn to spell antisemitism. Being against Zionism, as some Jews are, is not antisemitism.

Fuck off, you are an anti Semetic pig, obsessed with the destruction of Israel, like a typical anti Semite.

Learn to spell antisemitic and please show any post in which I have ever indicated that I favored the destruction of Israel. More to the point, try to find any antisemitic statement I have made. You on the other hand are constantly making racist statements (and the usual personal insults) against anyone who disagrees with you. You are an immature little brat.

 

[Yarddog]

Dr. Ghada Karmi’s latest book Married to Another Man: Israel’s Dilemma in Palestine opens with the problem European Zionists faced over a century ago when they first mooted the idea of a Jewish state in Palestine. They found then that there was already a well-established Palestinian society existing in the land they wished to claim as their own. Hence the message sent back to Vienna by the two rabbis who made the discovery: “The bride is beautiful, but she is married to another man.”

It is the essence of “Israel’s dilemma”: how to effect the disappearance of the ever-present Palestinians so that a purely Jewish state can exist on Palestinian land? The Zionist program of ethnic cleansing that has been going on since Israel’s creation has not solved the problem. Neither has the living hell of occupation.

Married to Another Man

Jews are squatting on Palestinian land - and trying to steal more.

This is the map that i saw.

Have you seen the Map of Armenia before Muslim Turks performed a real Genocide?

The History Place - Genocide in the 20th Century Armenians in Turkey 1915-18

Youll never hear a Muslim complaining about that. Those people will never get their homeland back.
And its very relevant to the conversation, because its the same mindset Jews had to deal with in the early
days as now though swept under the rug.

 

[montelatici]

Dr. Ghada Karmi’s latest book Married to Another Man: Israel’s Dilemma in Palestine opens with the problem European Zionists faced over a century ago when they first mooted the idea of a Jewish state in Palestine. They found then that there was already a well-established Palestinian society existing in the land they wished to claim as their own. Hence the message sent back to Vienna by the two rabbis who made the discovery: “The bride is beautiful, but she is married to another man.”

It is the essence of “Israel’s dilemma”: how to effect the disappearance of the ever-present Palestinians so that a purely Jewish state can exist on Palestinian land? The Zionist program of ethnic cleansing that has been going on since Israel’s creation has not solved the problem. Neither has the living hell of occupation.

Married to Another Man

Jews are squatting on Palestinian land - and trying to steal more.

This is the map that i saw.

Have you seen the Map of Armenia before Muslim Turks performed a real Genocide?

The History Place - Genocide in the 20th Century Armenians in Turkey 1915-18

Youll never hear a Muslim complaining about that. Those people will never get their homeland back.
And its very relevant to the conversation, because its the same mindset Jews had to deal with in the early
days as now though swept under the rug.

What mindset is that? The Jews were in Europe and went to Palestine and took over the land and homes of the Christian and Muslim Palestinians. How is that different, except for the differences in numbers (there under a million or so Christians and Muslims in Palestine), from what happened to the Armenians?

 

[Yarddog]

Dr. Ghada Karmi’s latest book Married to Another Man: Israel’s Dilemma in Palestine opens with the problem European Zionists faced over a century ago when they first mooted the idea of a Jewish state in Palestine. They found then that there was already a well-established Palestinian society existing in the land they wished to claim as their own. Hence the message sent back to Vienna by the two rabbis who made the discovery: “The bride is beautiful, but she is married to another man.”

It is the essence of “Israel’s dilemma”: how to effect the disappearance of the ever-present Palestinians so that a purely Jewish state can exist on Palestinian land? The Zionist program of ethnic cleansing that has been going on since Israel’s creation has not solved the problem. Neither has the living hell of occupation.

Married to Another Man

Jews are squatting on Palestinian land - and trying to steal more.

This is the map that i saw.

Have you seen the Map of Armenia before Muslim Turks performed a real Genocide?

The History Place - Genocide in the 20th Century Armenians in Turkey 1915-18

Youll never hear a Muslim complaining about that. Those people will never get their homeland back.
And its very relevant to the conversation, because its the same mindset Jews had to deal with in the early
days as now though swept under the rug.

What mindset is that? The Jews were in Europe and went to Palestine and took over the land and homes of the Christian and Muslim Palestinians. How is that different, except for the differences in numbers (there under a million or so Christians and Muslims in Palestine), from what happened to the Armenians?

Jews were already in the area, as well as Christians and Muslims, More Arabs also emmigrated to the area in early 1900s as well, to get jobs. it was a growing economy, and the jews had something to do with that too.
they was a war between the Jews and Arabs where the arabs wanted to drive Jews out completely. The Armenians were all disarmed of their weapons before they were massacred, its not even close in numbers and intensity. The Muslims basicaly did what ISIS is doing now. Israel did nothing like that but it keeps being called a genocide

 

[montelatici]

"Jews were already in the area, as well as Christians and Muslims, More Arabs also emmigrated to the area in early 1900s as well, to get jobs."

Some facts from source documents:

Population of Jews in Palestine.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

 

[montelatici]

As to immigration from 1920 to 1946 90% of the migrants were Jews. (From the Survey of Palestine available at the Berman Jewish Policy Archive:

Publications from publisher Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

 

[Roudy]

The least you could do is learn to spell antisemitism. Being against Zionism, as some Jews are, is not antisemitism.

Fuck off, you are an anti Semetic pig, obsessed with the destruction of Israel, like a typical anti Semite.

Learn to spell antisemitic and please show any post in which I have ever indicated that I favored the destruction of Israel. More to the point, try to find any antisemitic statement I have made. You on the other hand are constantly making racist statements (and the usual personal insults) against anyone who disagrees with you. You are an immature little brat.

Anti Zionism means you believe that Israel does not have the right to exist as a Jewish state. Which is why it was spotted as anti semitism by Martin Luther King as far back as 1967.

Good news is the Jewish national movement occurred in 1948 and the formation of Israel has been etched in stone. The Jewish state isn't going anywhere, regardless of how much you Jew hating, Islamo-terrorist loving donkeys keep braying.

 

[Roudy]

As to immigration from 1920 to 1946 90% of the migrants were Jews. (From the Survey of Palestine available at the Berman Jewish Policy Archive:

Publications from publisher Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

Again the one trick donkey pulls that bullshit chart out of his ass. There was no way anybody could keep track of the hoards of illegal Arab migrants into the region. Besides, Arabs didn't control the land for about 800 years, the fact that they invaded it when the Ottoman Empire fell is meaningless.

 

[skye]

The least you could do is learn to spell antisemitism. Being against Zionism, as some Jews are, is not antisemitism.

Fuck off, you are an anti Semetic pig, obsessed with the destruction of Israel, like a typical anti Semite.

I agree!

what a stupid thread to begin with !

 

[montelatici]

Of course you would agree, you are a Zionutter.

 

[skye]

and proud of it! ^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Yarddog]

"Jews were already in the area, as well as Christians and Muslims, More Arabs also emmigrated to the area in early 1900s as well, to get jobs."

Some facts from source documents:

Population of Jews in Palestine.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

"Jews were already in the area, as well as Christians and Muslims, More Arabs also emmigrated to the area in early 1900s as well, to get jobs."

Some facts from source documents:

Population of Jews in Palestine.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

And there was the British mandate, so it wasnt illegal for Jews to buy land. More than any other people , Jews have a historical tie to that land, Longer than anyone else. Much longer than the people called palestinians. Seems only logical after WW2 especialy that Jews with nowhere else to go except maybe the US try and settle there once again. There definately may be varying degrees of unfairness, but i have a problem with people who say Israel is practicing Genocide when they have tried to make peace. (not that you have said that)

 

[Yarddog]

As to immigration from 1920 to 1946 90% of the migrants were Jews. (From the Survey of Palestine available at the Berman Jewish Policy Archive:

Publications from publisher Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

Again the one trick donkey pulls that bullshit chart out of his ass. There was no way anybody could keep track of the hoards of illegal Arab migrants into the region. Besides, Arabs didn't control the land for about 800 years, the fact that they invaded it when the Ottoman Empire fell is meaningless.

Yeah, thats true, im sure bedouins may not have bothered to fill out a registration form,

 

[montelatici]

"Jews were already in the area, as well as Christians and Muslims, More Arabs also emmigrated to the area in early 1900s as well, to get jobs."

Some facts from source documents:

Population of Jews in Palestine.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

"Jews were already in the area, as well as Christians and Muslims, More Arabs also emmigrated to the area in early 1900s as well, to get jobs."

Some facts from source documents:

Population of Jews in Palestine.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

And there was the British mandate, so it wasnt illegal for Jews to buy land. More than any other people , Jews have a historical tie to that land, Longer than anyone else. Much longer than the people called palestinians. Seems only logical after WW2 especialy that Jews with nowhere else to go except maybe the US try and settle there once again. There definately may be varying degrees of unfairness, but i have a problem with people who say Israel is practicing Genocide when they have tried to make peace. (not that you have said that)

But Jews owned less than 5% before partition. The non-Jews owned more than 90%. Why did the Jews evict the people that owned the land? Was it ok with you that Jews just stole the land from the people living there? wasn't it the Germans that killed the Jews? What did the Christians and Muslims of Palestine have to do with the Holocaust?

 

[Yarddog]

"Jews were already in the area, as well as Christians and Muslims, More Arabs also emmigrated to the area in early 1900s as well, to get jobs."

Some facts from source documents:

Population of Jews in Palestine.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

"Jews were already in the area, as well as Christians and Muslims, More Arabs also emmigrated to the area in early 1900s as well, to get jobs."

Some facts from source documents:

Population of Jews in Palestine.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

And there was the British mandate, so it wasnt illegal for Jews to buy land. More than any other people , Jews have a historical tie to that land, Longer than anyone else. Much longer than the people called palestinians. Seems only logical after WW2 especialy that Jews with nowhere else to go except maybe the US try and settle there once again. There definately may be varying degrees of unfairness, but i have a problem with people who say Israel is practicing Genocide when they have tried to make peace. (not that you have said that)

But Jews owned less than 5% before partition. The non-Jews owned more than 90%. Why did the Jews evict the people that owned the land? Was it ok with you that Jews just stole the land from the people living there? wasn't it the Germans that killed the Jews? What did the Christians and Muslims of Palestine have to do with the Holocaust?

Some things were unfair but it also goes both ways, there was Islamic radicalizm back then as well. Hence my refrence to what had just happened to the Armenians, non muslims were not really wanted back then. The History of what happened with the Jews and palestine is not so black and white to me because i hear so much from both sides that is conflicting. The other side of the coin is that Jews have also had to fight for their survival over there, they were attacked by what? 5 arab countries?

In recent times they have tried for peace and only received violence in return. Mostly probably because Arabs will refuse to let go of 1948 in order to start over again with peace. Im sure THEY feel why should they? But it is also not the Palestinians but every other outside Muslim group like Hezbolla etc. resisting peace. If there are concessions due from Israel, Palestinians can get them when they learn to live in peace. Much like the Armenians did/ had to do because no one gave a fuck about what happened to them. I had a few Armenian friends in Los Angeles where there are many, and believe me, they learned how to be peaceful, wonderful successful people ( of course they are christians not muslims) , so the sooner the Palestinians can learn to live well, then they can learn to live well with their neighbor.

 

[Roudy]

"Jews were already in the area, as well as Christians and Muslims, More Arabs also emmigrated to the area in early 1900s as well, to get jobs."

Some facts from source documents:

Population of Jews in Palestine.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

"Jews were already in the area, as well as Christians and Muslims, More Arabs also emmigrated to the area in early 1900s as well, to get jobs."

Some facts from source documents:

Population of Jews in Palestine.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

And there was the British mandate, so it wasnt illegal for Jews to buy land. More than any other people , Jews have a historical tie to that land, Longer than anyone else. Much longer than the people called palestinians. Seems only logical after WW2 especialy that Jews with nowhere else to go except maybe the US try and settle there once again. There definately may be varying degrees of unfairness, but i have a problem with people who say Israel is practicing Genocide when they have tried to make peace. (not that you have said that)

But Jews owned less than 5% before partition. The non-Jews owned more than 90%. Why did the Jews evict the people that owned the land? Was it ok with you that Jews just stole the land from the people living there? wasn't it the Germans that killed the Jews? What did the Christians and Muslims of Palestine have to do with the Holocaust?

What are you braying again now? Same shit different day.

Again, Arabs invaded the region after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire approximately 1915 and with encouragement of the British. Bunch of illegal 20th Muslim invaders doesn't turn anybody into a land owner.

Arabs did not control the land nor was there this fictional Palestinian state at the time. The Ottoman Empire after 700 years was divided ENTIRELY into Muslim shitholes by the British and the French, the conquerors and victors of the war, except for Israel, which was designated to be the Jewish state and home of the Jewish people on their ancestral homeland.

The Arabs decided to start murdering the Jews and commit ethnic cleansing, which started with the Hebron Massacre of 1929. The Jews armed themselves, won the civil war, and established a successful flourishing state that has since defended itself time and again against groups of Muslim savages.

Israel is here to stay. The end.

 

[Roudy]

"Jews were already in the area, as well as Christians and Muslims, More Arabs also emmigrated to the area in early 1900s as well, to get jobs."

Some facts from source documents:

Population of Jews in Palestine.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

"Jews were already in the area, as well as Christians and Muslims, More Arabs also emmigrated to the area in early 1900s as well, to get jobs."

Some facts from source documents:

Population of Jews in Palestine.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

And there was the British mandate, so it wasnt illegal for Jews to buy land. More than any other people , Jews have a historical tie to that land, Longer than anyone else. Much longer than the people called palestinians. Seems only logical after WW2 especialy that Jews with nowhere else to go except maybe the US try and settle there once again. There definately may be varying degrees of unfairness, but i have a problem with people who say Israel is practicing Genocide when they have tried to make peace. (not that you have said that)

But Jews owned less than 5% before partition. The non-Jews owned more than 90%. Why did the Jews evict the people that owned the land? Was it ok with you that Jews just stole the land from the people living there? wasn't it the Germans that killed the Jews? What did the Christians and Muslims of Palestine have to do with the Holocaust?

Some things were unfair but it also goes both ways, there was Islamic radicalizm back then as well. Hence my refrence to what had just happened to the Armenians, non muslims were not really wanted back then. The History of what happened with the Jews and palestine is not so black and white to me because i hear so much from both sides that is conflicting. The other side of the coin is that Jews have also had to fight for their survival over there, they were attacked by what? 5 arab countries?

In recent times they have tried for peace and only received violence in return. Mostly probably because Arabs will refuse to let go of 1948 in order to start over again with peace. Im sure THEY feel why should they? But it is also not the Palestinians but every other outside Muslim group like Hezbolla etc. resisting peace. If there are concessions due from Israel, Palestinians can get them when they learn to live in peace. Much like the Armenians did/ had to do because no one gave a fuck about what happened to them. I had a few Armenian friends in Los Angeles where there are many, and believe me, they learned how to be peaceful, wonderful successful people ( of course they are christians not muslims) , so the sooner the Palestinians can learn to live well, then they can learn to live well with their neighbor.

The Palestinians aren't allowed to make peace by nations like Iran, who pay their terrorist leaders like Hamas to continue the war for the destruction of the Jewish state. They too, like Arafat their previous terrorist leader and founder of the Palestinian movement will leave (escape) with the billions of stolen money in hidden foreign accounts, never returning a dime or bothering to even SPIT in the face of the so called "suffering Palestinians".

It's too late for a Palestinian state now. Problem with the Palestinians can't even move anywhere...they've caused so much death and destruction in the region, Lebanon, Syria, Kuwait, Egypt, Jordan, that no Arab country wants them.

 

[Challenger]

Do you mean that Ukrainians cannot be against Russian nationalism of the people in the East of Ukraine? Do you mean that Palestinians cannot be against an ideology that evicted them from their homes? What an extraordinary notion. Demonstrates how delusional these zionutters are.

O.K., Nostrodamus, what is your definition of anti-Zionist and remember, the subject is about Jews.

I thought the subject was about criticism of Israel, not Jewish people?

Is that what the OP says?

Forgot, English isn't your first language.

What's yours Achmed, Arabic?

English. Although I did learn French at school, along with Spanish, Greek and Latin, but I'm a bit rusty in all of those. I also know a bit of German, Swedish, Polish and Turkish from travelling to those countries in my time. Tried learning Arabic once, never could master it though, couldn't get to grips with the writing.

Interesting how you use the Russian/Eastern European spelling of the name "Ahmed"