Zone1 Could influential Jewish Kings, Prophets and Rabbi's reincarnate as Gentiles for a grand purpose?

Could famous Jewish Kings, Prophets and Rabbi's reincarnate as Gentiles for a purpose?

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  • Maybe, I guess if the Gilgul Cycle is true then that is a real possibility?!

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By 2011 I often found myself reminded of King Rehoboam of Israel as I observed Canada's Prime Minister Stephen Harper in action.

At the G-8 in 2011 I would say that the behaviour of Prime Minister Stephen Harper was "Davidic" as single handedly he prevented President Obama and other world leaders from leaving the nation of Israel with borders that simply could not be defended against modern missile technology.

In a way, if you will raise your right hand in the air and stick out your pinkie finger, you will be doing what I could term the "King Rehoboam Salute" or perhaps the " P. M. Stephen Harper Salute."

I owe Prime Minister Stephen Harper an apology because technically I voted for P. M. Justin Trudeau in 2015, but, I feel that for many reasons P. M. Stephen Harper, is set up for what could well be the most fascinating, [or perhaps second most interesting political comeback in modern history]!?








I believe that it is very possible that "Doubting Thomas, or Judas Didymus Thomas" one of the leading disciples of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus may well be back as near death experiencer Bruce F. MacDonald.

"The Father said to me one evening in my time of meditation, “You wonder that people other than the Jews have the secrets of the Kingdom as well as you. As you have been instructed before, the secrets of the Kingdom have been given to many people, but to no one in their complete form, so that each, seeking in their own way, may gradually come closer to me, but no one group can say, ‘I have the secret and you are excluded.’ Indeed, any who say that, have already put themselves outside of the Kingdom, because the Kingdom comes by Love, and Love is a working together. Love is not exclusively for one group.”

“In the end of the Age, peoples from all parts of the earth will bring their knowledge together and will find the Inner Way to me by working together. So, read and know what has been given to others, that your knowledge may be complete and you may be able to come to Me, all working together in Love.” (Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D.)


Here are ten more paragraphs from 1966 near death experiencer Bruce F. MacDonald quoting Rabbi Yeshua -Jesus to His inner circle of disciples :


[Bruce F. MacDonald] :

"You do not understand this life, he said on a later occasion, so you do not understand what you can achieve. You think that you were born and die and have only the time in between to live. The Sadducees do not even believe in the resurrection. And the Pharisees and Essenes believe you are saved or damned on the basis of what you do here in this life.

So you judge and condemn others and forsake love in order to enter heaven. Yet I tell you that the Father has many heavens and many homes for you. This is not your only life, and these are not the only things you have to learn. You will have lives in other times and places.

Do not judge the gentiles? You may have been a Gentile. Do not judge the prostitute You may have been a prostitute. Do not judge the Roman or Greek? You may have been those.

"The Father wishes you to know the life of the world in all its conditions so that you may be able to love those in all conditions. He wishes you to learn poverty and wealth, weakness and strength, sickness and health so that, in all these, you may seek Him and find Him.

Is He the Father only of the righteous? No, he is Father of all and Mother of all. All may come to God and find the love appropriate to their condition. Are you poor? Learn to love your fellows. Are you rich? Learn to give of your surplus to those who have nothing. Are you in a place of power? Learn to use your power for the good of others. Learn the love appropriate to the condition you are in and all conditions will become blessed. (Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D. page 117,118, The Thomas Book, Near Death, a Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus"


What Judaism Says About Reincarnation​

The notion that souls can be reborn after death figures prominently in Jewish mysticism.

BY RABBI BENJAMIN RESNICK


In the Western imagination, reincarnation has long been associated with the religious traditions of the East. Transmigration — the journey of an individual soul through many incarnations — is something that religious seekers in the West often think of as samsara, the cycle of death and rebirth which is a core aspect of the great Dharmic religions: Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, and Jainism. Sometimes overlooked, both by Jews and by students of Jewish tradition, is gilgul, a concept that is described in great detail throughout the Kabbalah . Very much in line with samsara, which is often depicted as a wheel in Buddhist art, the word gilgul comes from the Hebrew root meaning “to spin.” The soul, in the kabbalistic view, spins onward through a great many bodies, striving after a higher form of perfection.


 
By 2011 I often found myself reminded of King Rehoboam of Israel as I observed Canada's Prime Minister Stephen Harper in action.

At the G-8 in 2011 I would say that the behaviour of Prime Minister Stephen Harper was "Davidic" as single handedly he prevented President Obama and other world leaders from leaving the nation of Israel with borders that simply could not be defended against modern missile technology.

In a way, if you will raise your right hand in the air and stick out your pinkie finger, you will be doing what I could term the "King Rehoboam Salute" or perhaps the " P. M. Stephen Harper Salute."

I owe Prime Minister Stephen Harper an apology because technically I voted for P. M. Justin Trudeau in 2015, but, I feel that for many reasons P. M. Stephen Harper, is set up for what could well be the most fascinating, [or perhaps second most interesting political comeback in modern history]!?








I believe that it is very possible that "Doubting Thomas, or Judas Didymus Thomas" one of the leading disciples of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus may well be back as near death experiencer Bruce F. MacDonald.



Here are ten more paragraphs from 1966 near death experiencer Bruce F. MacDonald quoting Rabbi Yeshua -Jesus to His inner circle of disciples :
Here is the thing, God can use anyone, anytime, for any reason.

THe BIble is full of such examples.

That means fighting him ultimately is futile and pointless. However, just like TDS, the forces of evil can't help themselves because they have GDS. They simply fight because of their inner rage and hate anyway.
 
Here is the thing, God can use anyone, anytime, for any reason.

THe BIble is full of such examples.

That means fighting him ultimately is futile and pointless. However, just like TDS, the forces of evil can't help themselves because they have GDS. They simply fight because of their inner rage and hate anyway.

Your post is exceptionally insightful and truthful.

You are absolutely correct that demons fighting furiously against the plans of our Creator is just about as futile as what the extreme political left has been doing to vent their Trump Derangement Syndrome.

On the plus side....
"a film devoid of conflict is boring."


 
Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

According to this we do not experience multiple mortal lives.


Or, could it be that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in His resurrected body can DEFINE the word "men" and "once to die" in a manner that could seem contradictory to us humans?

Could the human spirit in all of us have the technological capability of the hard drive on the computers that you and I are working on?

Could the human spirit be capable of recording the identity and personality of both John the Baptist as well as the Prophet Elijah on the same human spirit or soul, [but in heaven could you perhaps meet with both John the Baptist as well as the Prophet Elijah]?

Virtually all research into parapsychology and the paranormal can be taken in several different ways. For example the Helen Wambach Ph. D. research can be looked at as anecdotal evidence for the existence of Hungry Ghosts or demons or devils and "earth bound spirits?"
 
Here is the thing, God can use anyone, anytime, for any reason.

THe BIble is full of such examples.

That means fighting him ultimately is futile and pointless. However, just like TDS, the forces of evil can't help themselves because they have GDS. They simply fight because of their inner rage and hate anyway.

Back in 2012 Pastor David Herzog appeared on the Sid Roth program and he announced that he had been given a dream about an Exodus of USA Jews, up to Canada for a number of weeks, months or years, before they would make full fledged Aliyah to The Holy Land.

I have to plead guilty to having something of an allegorical "Moses Complex" because I have concluded that it is my responsibility to tie much of the hints and clues related to "Exodus USA" to the possibility of "Bear Market 2026 to 2036."

Here is some background information but I will also give you a link to a discussion that I already have going on "Exodus USA?"
....

"Please feel total freedom to move this entire discussion over to the "Conspiracy Theory" forum because I have to admit that there are powerful people in places of influence, who will not like the fact that this discussion is on the "Clean Debate" forum here on USMB.

This will be especially true after I link all of this in with the topic of a group of "Neo-Malthusian" billionaires having set up "Atheism and Agnosticism" as something like an unofficial State Religion even in the USA and Canada in order to be able to make sure that the incidence of C. E. O's having an attack of conscience and abandoning a policy that has been cooked up by off the scale brilliant sociopaths is kept to a minimum?"

....
"I don't totally blame you for thinking that because the modern Educational System depends on "Atheism" and "Agnosticism" to be something like an unofficial State Religion, basically if the foundation of Atheism and Agnosticism were to fall, then the situation where C. E. O's can be found who will persecute and suppress effective treatments for huge diseases such as cancer, would end, and the core core goal of "Depopulation" by the ruling "Neo-Malthusians" would essentially collapse much as the Egyptian economic and military superpower collapsed after "The Exodus" led by Moses."

....
"Pretty powerful evidence exists that perhaps potentially effective treatments for cancer have been suppressed.

You will know what I mean if you will take a listen to the following documentary.

In a way this may be some of the most astonishingly good news that has ever been given to us mere humans.

In 2026 the truth may perhaps come out through aspiring film producers all over the world?"


 
Here is the thing, God can use anyone, anytime, for any reason.

THe BIble is full of such examples.

That means fighting him ultimately is futile and pointless. However, just like TDS, the forces of evil can't help themselves because they have GDS. They simply fight because of their inner rage and hate anyway.


Am I an idiot to think that near death experiencer Randy Kay is like a modern Prophet Jonah?

I don't know if this lecture is more so like a sermon or a testimony but I am right now listening to this for the third time.................
this guy is one of the most phenomenally intelligent Christian Theologians that I have ever listened to!!!!!!



 
By 2011 I often found myself reminded of King Rehoboam of Israel as I observed Canada's Prime Minister Stephen Harper in action.

At the G-8 in 2011 I would say that the behaviour of Prime Minister Stephen Harper was "Davidic" as single handedly he prevented President Obama and other world leaders from leaving the nation of Israel with borders that simply could not be defended against modern missile technology.

In a way, if you will raise your right hand in the air and stick out your pinkie finger, you will be doing what I could term the "King Rehoboam Salute" or perhaps the " P. M. Stephen Harper Salute."

I owe Prime Minister Stephen Harper an apology because technically I voted for P. M. Justin Trudeau in 2015, but, I feel that for many reasons P. M. Stephen Harper, is set up for what could well be the most fascinating, [or perhaps second most interesting political comeback in modern history]!?








I believe that it is very possible that "Doubting Thomas, or Judas Didymus Thomas" one of the leading disciples of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus may well be back as near death experiencer Bruce F. MacDonald.



Here are ten more paragraphs from 1966 near death experiencer Bruce F. MacDonald quoting Rabbi Yeshua -Jesus to His inner circle of disciples :
No.
Does your Bible corroborate your theory? Who in the Bible is known for dying and coming back as someone else?
Always check your work according to what scripture says...
 
Wouldn't they have reincarnated by now if this were the case, especially considering the abuses Jewish followers have suffered over the centuries?

The objective should be to protect our values and ensure they are not usurped by enemies. Educate those who don't understand history or the reality of what the world would look like without the teachings of the Torah.

Make sure America and Israel thrive and are the guiding light for the world. Don't allow the darkness to overcome the light, educate those who are lost or have been misguided by propaganda etc.

This is truly a survival for the civilized world and this requires American leadership in particular. Some fiscal responsibility would be welcome, we cannot have the U.S lose its place.

If America can succeed, Israel can survive and the worlds citizens will eventually surmise that the righteous path is not the evil one that some wish to send us down. No reincarnation needed, we must all do our part.
 
No.
Does your Bible corroborate your theory? Who in the Bible is known for dying and coming back as someone else?
Always check your work according to what scripture says...

Dennis the Menace is a confused person .
And certainly confuses heaven with hyperspace .

As for poor old Jesus .
An obsessed but essentially decent Essene who escaped crucifixion but later became saddled with a Hollywood type of film script to live up to .

Or , to first die and then live up to !!
 
So now you're doing reincarnation while masquerading as a "christian"

Was this merely a bad question by the disciples?

And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.

2;And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

[John 9: 1, 2]

In what way exactly was John the Baptist connected to the Prophet Elijah?

10;For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

11;Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

12;And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

13;For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

14;And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

15;He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
[Matthew 11]

 
No.
Does your Bible corroborate your theory? Who in the Bible is known for dying and coming back as someone else?
Always check your work according to what scripture says...

John the Baptist may have been Elijah back with us again, but in heaven you can meet both John the Baptist as well as Elijah. Little Colton Burpo reported meeting John the Baptist in the book and movie, "Heaven is for Real." Elijah somehow appeared along with Moses to Jesus and a couple of His disciples.

10;For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

11;Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

12;And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

13;For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

14;And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

15;He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
[Matthew 11]



Pre-Existence of the human spirit or soul is taught in the Gilgul Cycle of Judaism and many near death experiencers are shown about this big truth.


Pre-Existence and the Near-Death Experience

by Kevin WilliamsPosted on September 22, 2019

1. Introduction to Pre-Existence and NDEs​

It is not unusual for people having near-death experiences (NDEs) returning from clinical death to report having received information concerning their pre-existence before they were conceived in the world. Some experiencers report of learning how they chose various aspects of their lives to be predestined before they were born. Some of the choices people have reported having chosen before birth include the selection of their birth parents, choosing their mission in life, and even choosing how they will die. This knowledge received by near-death experiencers of the past and future shows how some things in life are predestined while other things are not. It shows how free will and predestination both exist and work hand in hand. It means we choose our destiny in life before our birth into the world to live it. Because reincarnation is a concept found in many cultures and religions, the metaphor of life as a river which we chose before we were born, shows up in many of these cultures and religions. There are many aspects to a river which make it an excellent analogy to help us understand where we came from, where we’re going, who we are, why we’re here, and what life is all about. The following discussion will attempt to do just that.



 
Dennis the Menace is a confused person .
And certainly confuses heaven with hyperspace .

As for poor old Jesus .
An obsessed but essentially decent Essene who escaped crucifixion but later became saddled with a Hollywood type of film script to live up to .

Or , to first die and then live up to !!

The Gilgul Cycle is an important part of Jewish thought. I believe it explains many scriptures that would be difficult to fit in any other way?

Jewish Concepts: Reincarnation and Judaism​


Reincarnation, gilgul in Hebrew, is not explicitly mentioned in the Torah, though some interpret traditional Jewish practices to refer to reincarnation. Maimonides has written about the allusion of biblical verses to its occurrence. For example, Daniel 12:13 states, now go your way to the end and rest, and you shall arise to your destiny at the end of days. A second example can be found in the concept of yibum; when a married man dies childless, tradition holds that his spouse should marry the man’s brother, and their firstborn should receive the dead father’s name.

The purpose of reincarnation is seen as a chance for a soul to achieve a goal not achieved in a previous life and as a chance to reward man for fulfilling the desires of his Creator. Reincarnation has also been viewed as punishment for a sinner’s previous deeds. For example, a rich man who abused his power may come back as poor.

Rabbi Haim Vital, a student of the Ar’I, has compiled a list of those reincarnated in Jewish history. There is a cycle of reincarnations beginning with Dinah and Shechem. Dina, the daughter of Jacob, was raped by Shechem. Shechem did not take responsibility for his actions and blamed them on his upbringing and the fact that Dinah was a noble woman. So the role was reversed when Shechem was reincarnated as Zimri, an Israelite general, and Dina as Cuzbi, a Midianite woman. Zimri was found consorting with Cuzbi, and both were killed by the zealot Pinhas. Thus when Shechem/Zimri was a noble man and of good birth, he could no longer blame outside sources for his own faults and was punished accordingly. The story continues when Pinhas was reincarnated as Rabbi Akiva and Cuzbi as the wife of the Roman general Turnus Rufus. She converted to Judaism and helped establish the yeshiva of Rabbi Akiva. By promoting Jewish learning in her next life, she atoned for his sins with Zimri. Thus perhaps ending that cycle of gilgul.

A midrash says that every Jew to ever live, and whoever will live, stood at Mount Sinai when the Jews received the Covenant from God. Reincarnation may help explain how this midrash could be true.​



 
Wouldn't they have reincarnated by now if this were the case, especially considering the abuses Jewish followers have suffered over the centuries?

The objective should be to protect our values and ensure they are not usurped by enemies. Educate those who don't understand history or the reality of what the world would look like without the teachings of the Torah.

Make sure America and Israel thrive and are the guiding light for the world. Don't allow the darkness to overcome the light, educate those who are lost or have been misguided by propaganda etc.

This is truly a survival for the civilized world and this requires American leadership in particular. Some fiscal responsibility would be welcome, we cannot have the U.S lose its place.

If America can succeed, Israel can survive and the worlds citizens will eventually surmise that the righteous path is not the evil one that some wish to send us down. No reincarnation needed, we must all do our part.


Back in August of 2020 a near death experiencer reports being shown that a massive positive shift would take place in America and in the whole world up until 2031.

The decisions that all of us would make between now and then will set the stage for the next decade after that one but it does seem to me that heaven is intervening in the earth and waking all of us up.



 
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In the times of Jesus - people believed they could - some thought Jesus (or even John the Baptist) were incarnations of Elijah.

Mark 9

Matthew 17

In your opinion, were John the Baptist and Jesus of Nazareth reincarnations of Elijah and/or the Prophets?

If you answer no - that is the answer to your question.


Another answer is: The thought that the Prophets can be reincarnated bears witness to the power of God's Holy Spirit. For if one witnesses a Prophet of the past within a person - it is not the Prophet (of the past) they are witnessing but God's Spirit working within that person.

The final answer is: "With mankind, things of this nature are not possible - but with God, all things are possible."

In my humble opinion.
 
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The reincarnated version sure we are going to choose this
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Dennis, what would your religion look like if there were no reported near-death experiences?

Before 1990 my belief about the Afterlife was the "Soul Sleep" doctrine.

I am so glad that NDE accounts helped me to understand that this was a seriously flawed view of the afterlife.


c. His Experience of the “Receiving Station”​

Jesus then takes Ritchie to another realm and is shown a kind of “receiving station” where spirits would arrive in a deep hypnotic sleep because of a particular religious belief they held to be true. Here there were “angels” trying to arouse them and help them realize, “God is truly a God of the living and that they did not have to lie around sleeping until Gabriel or someone came along blowing on a horn.” These are the spirits of people who believe they must sleep in their grave until the second coming of Christ (i.e., soul sleep.)

 
In the times of Jesus - people believed they could - some thought Jesus (or even John the Baptist) were incarnations of Elijah.

Mark 9

Matthew 17

In your opinion, were John the Baptist and Jesus of Nazareth reincarnations of Elijah and/or the Prophets?

If you answer no - that is the answer to your question.


Another answer is: The thought that the Prophets can be reincarnated bears witness to the power of God's Holy Spirit. For if one witnesses a Prophet of the past within a person - it is not the Prophet (of the past) they are witnessing but God's Spirit working within that person.

The final answer is: "With mankind, things of this nature are not possible - but with God, all things are possible."

In my humble opinion.


One thing that I am certain of is that Satan does not have the ability to fabricate what Dr. Ian Stevenson found out about part of the afterlife.


2. Introduction to Dr. Ian Stevenson’s Research​

Ian Stevenson


Dr. Stevenson’s reincarnation research began in 1960 when he learned of a case in Sri Lanka where a child reported remembering a past life. He thoroughly questioned the child and the child’s parents, including the people whom the child recalled were his parents from his past life. This led to Dr. Stevenson’s conviction that reincarnation was possibly a reality. That same year, Dr. Stevenson published two articles in the Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research about this child who remembered having a past life. The more such cases he discovered, the greater became his ambition to scientifically quantify the possibility of reincarnation – one of the world’s greatest mysteries – which had been virtually ignored by science in the past.


In 1982, Dr. Stevenson co-founded the Society for Scientific Exploration. He authored around 300 papers and 14 books on the subject of reincarnation. His 1966 book, “Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation,” became a classic in the annals of reincarnation research. In 2003, Dr. Stevenson published his second book on reincarnation, “European Cases of the Reincarnation Type“. In 1997 he published his major classic: the 2,268-page, two-volume book, “Reincarnation and Biology: A Contribution to the Etiology of Birthmarks and Birth Defects,” which focused mostly on deformities and other anomalies children are born with which cannot be traced back to inheritance, prenatal or perinatal (created during birth) occurrences. This monumental classic contains hundreds of pictures presenting the evidence he discovered. It documents 200 cases of children having memories and birthmarks which corresponded with the lives and wounds of deceased people whom these children recalled as having lived in a past-life. In 1997, Dr. Stevenson published a condensed version of this book for the general public entitled, “Where Reincarnation and Biology Intersect.” Dr. Stevenson’s research into reincarnation also became the subject of two important works, “Old Souls: Compelling Evidence from Children Who Remember Past Lives” authored by Tom Shroder (a Washington Post journalist) and “Life Before Life: Children’s Memories of Previous Lives” authored by Dr. Jim B. Tucker (www.jimbtucker.com) a psychiatrist at the University of Virginia. Many people, including skeptics and scholars, agree that the cases presented by Dr. Stevenson offer the best evidence yet for reincarnation.






4“Remember the Law of Moses, My servant,
Which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel,
With the statutes and judgments.
5Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet
Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
6And he will turn
The hearts of the fathers to the children,
And the hearts of the children to their fathers,
Lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.”
 

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