cop union wants hate crime legislation when officers are targeted

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If you can show that an officer was assaulted due to his/her status as a police officer, then I have no problem with police being included with other groups that are targeted.

Police union pushes for cop killings to be included in federal hate crimes law


Bias attacks against police should be prosecuted more harshly, union argues


In the wake of the murder of two New York City police officers and a national debate about policing, the National Fraternal Order of Police is asking for the Congressional hate crimes statute to be expanded to include crimes against police officers. The union has more than 300,000 members.

Violence against police officers that is motivated by anti-police bias should be prosecuted as a hate crime, the nation’s largest police union is arguing in a letter to President Barack Obama and Congressional leaders this week.

“Right now, it’s a hate crime if you attack someone solely because of the color of their skin, but it ought to be a hate crime if you attack someone solely because of the color of their uniform as well,” said Jim Pasco, the executive director of the National Fraternal Order of Police.

“Enough is enough! It’s time for Congress to do something to protect the men and women who protect us,” Chuck Canterbury, the president of the union, said in a statement Monday. The group has long lobbied for harsher punishment for those who harm law enforcement officers.

The organization argues that “ambush attacks” — like the one in which NYPD officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu were killed last month — are frequently motivated by hatred of the police. According to FBI statistics, about 21.7 percent of non-accidental law enforcement deaths since 2004 were ambush attacks.

In general, the number of law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty has declined since the 1970s, reflecting the fall of violent crime in the United States in general. It’s not clear who in Congress would take up the union’s call to introduce such legislation. In the past, Democrats such as Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona and Republicans such as Peter King of New York have sponsored union-backed bills.

A hate crime is defined by Congress as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.” If local authorities decline to prosecute a hate crime, the federal government can take over, making hate crime offenders more likely to face prosecution.

Ismaaiyl Brinsley, who shot himself after killing the NYPD officers last month, posted anti-police messages on social media before carrying out the ambush. His is the kind of crime the union hopes to prevent by classifying it as a hate crime.

The 1969 federal hate crimes statute has been expanded before. Sexual orientation and disability were added to the law by Congress in 2009 after lengthy lobbying efforts by LGBT groups.

According to FBI statistics, the majority of hate crimes are motivated by racial bias.

Police union pushes for cop killings to be included in federal hate crimes law - Yahoo News
 
It makes sense to me. They are murdered for who they are as cops, not for any other reason.
 
Hate crime laws are fucking stupid. Crime by its very nature is largely based on hate. Dead is dead regardless of motive. And life in prison/death penalty is just that regardless of some stupid fucking pc label.
 
Hate crime laws are fucking stupid. Crime by its very nature is largely based on hate. Dead is dead regardless of motive. And life in prison/death penalty is just that regardless of some stupid fucking pc label.

I think there should be a difference between someone who kills an individual they dislike and someone who kills someone because they have some attribute that is hated.

If a guy kills a gay man that hits on him or he kills a gay man he never had contact with simply because he is gay (or black, or a cop ect ect) there is a difference.
 
Hate crime laws are fucking stupid. Crime by its very nature is largely based on hate. Dead is dead regardless of motive. And life in prison/death penalty is just that regardless of some stupid fucking pc label.

I know, but since hate crime laws are likely to never go away, seems logical to extend the laws to other groups.
 
Hate crime laws are fucking stupid. Crime by its very nature is largely based on hate. Dead is dead regardless of motive. And life in prison/death penalty is just that regardless of some stupid fucking pc label.

I know, but since hate crime laws are likely to never go away, seems logical to extend the laws to other groups.
Seems more logical to me to take a stand and say enough is enough with this pc nonsense
 
This seems weird since they are in contact with criminals all the time. Will they "target" police because they are police or will they "target" police because they stand in their way of not going to jail?
 
So finally policemen's unions are creeping into the conversation. Very good, children. You are starting to uncover the first key and are ready to go to the next level!
 
Hate crime laws are fucking stupid. Crime by its very nature is largely based on hate. Dead is dead regardless of motive. And life in prison/death penalty is just that regardless of some stupid fucking pc label.

I know, but since hate crime laws are likely to never go away, seems logical to extend the laws to other groups.
Seems more logical to me to take a stand and say enough is enough with this pc nonsense

As for the "dead is dead" part, is it the same if I poison someone so that they die peacefully in their sleep or if I torture someone and kill them over a period of hours screaming in agony? Dead is dead?
 
This seems weird since they are in contact with criminals all the time. Will they "target" police because they are police or will they "target" police because they stand in their way of not going to jail?

If they target the police who are stopping them while committing a crime or trying to arrest them, it would not be a hate crime, imho.

If they purposefully murder a policeman for simply being a cop, it is a different matter.
 
This seems weird since they are in contact with criminals all the time. Will they "target" police because they are police or will they "target" police because they stand in their way of not going to jail?
That's a good point.

I suppose each case would have to be closely investigated for hate being at the root of the situation.

If you have a clear case such as the two NY officers who were just sitting in their patrol car and were assassinated, then it's really a no-brainer, but other cases might be difficult to prove hate as the basis.
 
Hate crime laws are fucking stupid. Crime by its very nature is largely based on hate. Dead is dead regardless of motive. And life in prison/death penalty is just that regardless of some stupid fucking pc label.

I know, but since hate crime laws are likely to never go away, seems logical to extend the laws to other groups.
Seems more logical to me to take a stand and say enough is enough with this pc nonsense

I agree. But I think part of the cops motivation on this is out bb of spite...to agitate the "hate crimes" crowd who think every special group should get its own statute because hate crime laws are so stupid.
 
Hate crime laws are fucking stupid. Crime by its very nature is largely based on hate. Dead is dead regardless of motive. And life in prison/death penalty is just that regardless of some stupid fucking pc label.

I know, but since hate crime laws are likely to never go away, seems logical to extend the laws to other groups.
Seems more logical to me to take a stand and say enough is enough with this pc nonsense

I agree. But I think part of the cops motivation on this is out bb of spite...to agitate the "hate crimes" crowd who think every special group should get its own statute because hate crime laws are so stupid.

I agree that that's probably the main motivation, but at the same time if we're going to have special laws like this we need to be consistent.
 

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