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Col. Richard Black: U.S. Leading World to Nuclear War

Toddsterpatriot

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NATO did put nukes in Poland.
They were short range ABMs, but nuclear and could be used against Russia.
But Russia is demanding they be removed, and Poland is complying.
The ridiculous claim was they were to defend against an attack by Iran.
Finland, Norway, Latvia, etc., refuse nukes.
Zelensky said he wanted NATO nukes.

NATO did put nukes in Poland.
They were short range ABMs, but nuclear and could be used against Russia.


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Zelensky said he wanted NATO nukes.

Can you blame him? Russia sucks.
 

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Russia was never remotely imperialist since the revolution.
The Warsaw Pact was not to steal money like the US or other imperialists do.
The Warsaw Pact cost Russia money.
Why do you think the USSR went bankrupt?

Russia was never remotely imperialist since the revolution.

That wasn't my question.

The Warsaw Pact was not to steal money like the US or other imperialists do.

Which profitable US occupations can you list?

The Warsaw Pact cost Russia money.

Well, duh. Communism sucks.

Why do you think the USSR went bankrupt?

See above.
 

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No there are not, and if the US did try to put nukes close by, the same thing would have to happen.
Its identical to the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Close first strike nukes can never be allowed.

No there are not,

Sure there are. Which parts of Russia do we have to hit?
 

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Wrong.
Neither side can instantly launch nukes.
The incoming have to be detected, analyzed, permission has to be granted, they have to have targets programmed, charging cables disconnected, etc.
Takes over half an hour to launch a retaliatory strike.
And since missiles launched from the Ukraine could hit Russian missile silos in less than 15 minutes, then we could prevent a Russian retaliatory strike.
Which would encourage a US first strike.
Why else would we have taken over the Ukraine in 2014, and why else did we put nukes in Turkey in 1957?

There is zero evidence of any aggressive Russian intents in the Ukraine.

As to the claim there is no defensive dimention to the Russian position, that is obviously falst.
In 2012 the world court verified that the Ukraine has been stealing Russian oil and gas from Russian pipelines running through the Ukraine. Russia has the right defend its resource from that ongoing threat.
Wrong, the launch of enemy nukes will be detected by satellites almost instantly and the US is prepared to launch a counterstrike 5 minutes after the President gives the ok. For reasons I don't understand, it is estimated it will take Russia 15 minutes to do the same thing. Are you really stupid enough to think that after 70 years of planning a counterstrike would be organized at the last minute?

There is no advantage to launching a first strike for either side. Strategic nukes have value only as deterrents.

We are way past Russian propaganda efforts to justify the invasion. This war ends only when Russia withdraws completely from Ukraine.
 

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Totally wrong.
The MAIN point of this whole war in the Ukraine is that the US wants the Ukraine to join NATO, so that the US can put nukes on Russia's border.
So it is the US that keeps the nuclear threat constant.
Russia only talks about preventive strikes so that the US won't be able to put first strike nukes in the Ukraine.

We ARE the bad guy, and have always been the bad guy, like Manifest Destiny, the Mexican wars, the Spanish American War, the Monroe Doctrine, Treaty of 5-5-2, WWI, supporting the dictator Khaing Kai Shek, supporting the dictator Syngman Rhee, supporting the dictator Diem, supporting the dictator Batista, supporting the dictator Samosa, Grenada, Panama, Nicaragua, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, Palestine, Syria, etc.
Absolute lie.

NATO is no threat to Russiaa and the US does not want to put nukes there

We were the good guys in all of those events
 

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I disagree.
Moscow has never had any territorial ambitions in the Ukraine at all, in any way.
All Moscow wants is what is absolutely needs, and that is a government in Kyiv that is NOT going to keep trying to put NATO nukes on Russia's border.
And now that also means a government that will not accept US, French, or Polish weapons.
Its very simple.
Russia has absolutely no need for anything the Ukraine has.
Russia has always had more territory and resources then they ever knew what to do with.
So all Kyiv has to do is not be a threat.
Very simple.
No government has tried or wanted to put nukes on the russian border proving you the liar.

This is an aggressive war for territory which russia started without provocation
 

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Gorbachev just died, but the main thing the Ukraine promised Gorbachev in 1992 was to NEVER JOIN NATO.
Kyiv committed multiple acts of war, that could no longer be ignored.
They commited no act of war and made no such promise.

You dreamed that promise up
 

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Nonsense.
Russia has never once tried to steal the resources from any other country.
In fact, all the countries they have helped, like Poland, Hungary, East Germany, China, Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, Egypt, Syria, etc., have cost them far more than they could ever have gotten from them.
It is the US that invades, steals, enslaves, etc.
And in fact, all of NATO are just old colonial imperialists, with the coalition to enslave the entire world.
Spain, France, England, and the US have always been the big colonial imperialist of the last 200 years.
They helped no nation.

They enslabved those nations and imposed communism on them
 

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Afghanistan was an attempt by Russia to modernize a neighboring country so that it would be more stable.
But the US financed and armed the Mujahideen, a through back 1400 years to religious fanaticism.
Face facts.
Russia has always been the only good guy in the whole world really.
The US is the most greedy and evil country in the whole world.
Afghanistan was a conquest to enslave people not help them.

Russia is a mess recovering from years of evil communism which the US rightesously destroyed making us the better nation
 

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No there are not, and if the US did try to put nukes close by, the same thing would have to happen.
Its identical to the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Close first strike nukes can never be allowed.
No one has tried to put nukes there nor do they want to
 

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Russia was never remotely imperialist since the revolution.
The Warsaw Pact was not to steal money like the US or other imperialists do.
The Warsaw Pact cost Russia money.
Why do you think the USSR went bankrupt?
Reagan pushed them into it and it would have happened eventually anyways because they were a communist nation which is always evil and never works
 

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NATO did put nukes in Poland.
They were short range ABMs, but nuclear and could be used against Russia.
But Russia is demanding they be removed, and Poland is complying.
The ridiculous claim was they were to defend against an attack by Iran.
Finland, Norway, Latvia, etc., refuse nukes.
Zelensky said he wanted NATO nukes.
You are a liar NATO never put nukes in Poland.
 

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You can not normally launch a first strike against Russia without causing a massive retaliatory strike in return.
The only way you can launch a successful first strike against Russia is if it is launched from so close that there is no time to get a retaliatory strike into the air before incoming impact.
And the Ukraine is perfect for a first strike capability.

In China, the Russians were the good guys supporting the majority who also fought the Japanese.
The US was the bad guys, supporting the military dictatorship of general Khaing Kai Shek, who was known to be a Japanese collaborator.

In Korea, we supported the dictator Syngman Rhee, who had been chased out of China a decade before, for bank fraud.

In Vietnam, we supported the dictator Diem, who wanted to prevent elections because the majority would have voted for Ho Chi Minh.
No one wants or needs nukes in Ukraine.

In CHina they were the bad guys supporting communism which is the worlds most evil ideology.

In Korea we opposed communism.

Diem was far better than Minh who siezed power and launched a war of aggression
 

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Wrong.
The US could not survive a first strike against Russia in 1992, because the Russians could launch retaliation before the US missiles hit.
The ONLY way to launch a first strike successfully against the US is if the missiles are so close that they can hit before a retaliatory strike can launch.
And that is where the Ukraine comes in.
It is close enough to the Russian missile sites for a successful first strike.
Therefore, it can not be allowed to join NATO.

And for those who claim NATO would not put nukes on Russia's border, that is an obvious like since the US already did it in Turkey and Poland, in the past.
We pulled the missiles out of Turkey decades ago because they were no longer neede.d

We never put nukes in Poland

Ukraine is irrelevant when it comes to US nukes no one wants to put them there
 

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The Ukraine was not independent before 1992, and then under Gorbachev it became independent.
Do you think Gorbachev would have allow that is he knew the Ukraine was going to install NATO nukes?
He could not stop it

Ukraine does not want Us nukes and the US does not want to put them there
 

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The traitors are in DC, lying about everything, like WMD in Iraq, the US trying to put NATO nukes in on Russia's border, etc.
The US not trying and has never tried to put nukes in Ukraine
 

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The reality is, there was NEVER any actual shoe banging incident at the UN,
The image of that was faked.

But the POINT was that the main conflict between the US and Russia, was the Cuban Missile Crisis, which the US started by putting US nukes in Turkey, on the Russia
It was real not faked and they were the aggressors as they are here
 

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Afghanistan was an attempt by Russia to modernize a neighboring country so that it would be more stable.
But the US financed and armed the Mujahideen, a through back 1400 years to religious fanaticism.
Face facts.
Russia has always been the only good guy in the whole world really.
The US is the most greedy and evil country in the whole world.

Afghanistan was an attempt by Russia to modernize a neighboring country so that it would be more stable.

LOL!

Russia has always been the only good guy in the whole world really.

Of course, that's why they killed all those Polish officers in the Katyn forest.
Because that's what good guys do.

The US is the most greedy and evil country in the whole world.

And we kicked Russia's ass in the Cold War.
 

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Totally wrong.
The MAIN point of this whole war in the Ukraine is that the US wants the Ukraine to join NATO, so that the US can put nukes on Russia's border.
So it is the US that keeps the nuclear threat constant.
Russia only talks about preventive strikes so that the US won't be able to put first strike nukes in the Ukraine.

We ARE the bad guy, and have always been the bad guy, like Manifest Destiny, the Mexican wars, the Spanish American War, the Monroe Doctrine, Treaty of 5-5-2, WWI, supporting the dictator Khaing Kai Shek, supporting the dictator Syngman Rhee, supporting the dictator Diem, supporting the dictator Batista, supporting the dictator Samosa, Grenada, Panama, Nicaragua, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, Palestine, Syria, etc.



Wow, what a liberal faggot. "We'Re ThE bAd GuY!" Please, leave the U.S. we don't want apologists pussies like you here.
 

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