Climategate.com exposed as fraud!!!!!!!!!!!!111
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Greenhouse Graveyard: New Progress for Big Global Warming Fix
Carbon Sequestration as Global Warming Solution ? How Carbon Capture Could Prevent Global Warming - Popular Mechanics
Global Warming Solutions
Global Warming Solutions, Stop Global Warming - National Geographic
looks like national geographic " is in on it" as well
Carbon Sequestration as Global Warming Solution ? How Carbon Capture Could Prevent Global Warming - Popular Mechanics
Global Warming Solutions
Global Warming Solutions, Stop Global Warming - National Geographic
looks like national geographic " is in on it" as well
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Spidy,
Lets say it is warming for what ever reason, what do you think will happen? Are we all going to drown. Will the seas swamp the whole world in one generation. You see, even if the world is getting warmer the rate of warming is so small that the global effect will be minuscule.
Many meteorologist suggest a wait and see approach, lets see what the temperature readings are in 10 to 20 years. Only greedy power hungry politicians like Al Gore and the leaders of the financial black hole called the United Nations suggest we must act now or die.
Lets give the creator of all of this some credit. Would he make a world so fragile that temporary inhabitants could destroy it in only a half a dozen decades or so? I don't think so. This planet has been here long before us and will be here long after we are gone.
Lets say it is warming for what ever reason, what do you think will happen? Are we all going to drown. Will the seas swamp the whole world in one generation. You see, even if the world is getting warmer the rate of warming is so small that the global effect will be minuscule.
Many meteorologist suggest a wait and see approach, lets see what the temperature readings are in 10 to 20 years. Only greedy power hungry politicians like Al Gore and the leaders of the financial black hole called the United Nations suggest we must act now or die.
Lets give the creator of all of this some credit. Would he make a world so fragile that temporary inhabitants could destroy it in only a half a dozen decades or so? I don't think so. This planet has been here long before us and will be here long after we are gone.
gawd damn, you are an asshole
Oddball
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And if it ain't "rock solid" how is it "science"?
Shit, dude, even rock manages to be "rock solid".
How would the simile work otherwise?
???
Shit, dude, even rock manages to be "rock solid".
How would the simile work otherwise?
???
OK, if you will explain why Uranus is getting colder.
Since only around 6 planets or moons out of the more than 100 bodies in the solar system have been observed to be warming, why aren't all 100 warming and why is Uranus cooling?
What the science says...
Martian climate is primarily driven by dust and albedo and there is little empirical evidence that Mars is showing long term warming.
The primary empirical evidence for long term, global warming on Mars comes from Fenton 2007. Fenton compared a composite snapshot of Mars from 1977 taken by the Voyager spacecraft to a 1999 image compiled by the Mars Global Surveyor (referencing work from Geissler 2005). The 1977 snapshot showed a brighter planet. In 1999, the planet had a lower albedo, with prominent darker regions in the southern mid and high latitudes. Using the albedo changes in a general circulation model, Fenton calculated a 22 year global warming trend of 0.65°C.
Figure 1: Snapshots of Mars 1977 (top) and 1999 (bottom). Image courtesy of Geissler 2005.
Fenton attributed the warming to surface dust causing a change in the planet's albedo. Martian dust plays a major role in the planet's climate (Kahn 1992). Solar variations are not the main driver of Martian climate.
Not disputing anyone's information or source. It's interesting that dust in the air on Earth causes cooling and dust in the air on Mars causes warming.
Apparently the abilities of dust vary by zip code.
Looks like news travels mighty slowly in Warmistmoonbatland!
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OK. So?
So the weak evidence is used as a spring board to conclude with a prediction of dire consequence. They ain't got the goods so they try to scare the unwitting into action.
If you've got the facts, then pound the facts. If you've got the law, then pound the law. If you've got nothing, then pound the table.
The table is taking a terrible beating from these guys.
Warming and cooling have both occurred throughout the planetary record. In every example, CO2 has changed as a result of the temperature changing.
During this interglacial, we are enjoying a temperature varience of about 2 degrees and are currently smack dab in the middle of that varience.
It is apparent that it has been at least this warm and the overwhelming body of evidence suggest much warmer, during this interglacial. We are moving in halting steps toward that temperature high which is lower than any of the previous interglacial highs.
This warming is not unprecedented and not unusual.
The warming we are talking about totals 0.7 degrees across 2000 years. That is not runaway warming. It is astonishing stability. If you'd rather, we can reach back 1000 years and find that warming has produced a 0.3 degree rise to date. 8000 years shows a 1.0 degree fall.
Those are the facts left out by the AGW alarmists and those are the facts that add perspective to this debate. These facts pull the rug out from any urge to panic and that is why they are left out.
It is the AGW Proponents that need to prove their case. Those who doubt their case are not burdened with any onis in this. We only await the proof that never comes.
If you have proof, you are free to present it.
You played this same dumb act on another thread.
They DENY that the Earth is warming. And one of their lies is shown above. How could you possibly have missed it???
I think what they are denying is the cause, not the effect. You will need to eliminate all other causes and isolate the cause to CO2 to win your point.
But it's stopped going through cooling cycles over the last 100 years.WRONG again dipshitYou played this same dumb act on another thread.
They DENY that the Earth is warming. And one of their lies is shown above. How could you possibly have missed it???
the earth has gone through warming/cooling cycles for it's entire existence
We have warming cycles followed by FLAT cycles instead of the natural cooling cycles, with each new warming cycle starting about where the last warming cycle left off.
Natural cycles pretty much ignor the clocks of Mankind. Interglacials are measured with centuries as the base unit of measure. Evolution of species uses millenia. Continental drift works in millions.
Using 100 years to measure planetary developement is like using 12 hours to measure the development of a day. Pretty dark at midnight. My God! It's really, really bright at noon.
If this brightening continues, we'll all be blind by mid night tonight. Save us! Save us!
Steve Martin did a comedy routine that he started off by repeating, "You could have a million dollaras and never work another day in your life."
He goes on to say, "First: You get a million dollars."
This is the same thing that these sources are saying in terms of CO2. They assume that CO2 is the causer and adjusting CO2 is the solution. What is the problem? The cause has not yet been proven.
You are free to present proof.
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Don't you CON$ think you are milking the dumb act a little bit too much????????????OK, if you will explain why Uranus is getting colder.
Since only around 6 planets or moons out of the more than 100 bodies in the solar system have been observed to be warming, why aren't all 100 warming and why is Uranus cooling?
What the science says...
Martian climate is primarily driven by dust and albedo and there is little empirical evidence that Mars is showing long term warming.
The primary empirical evidence for long term, global warming on Mars comes from Fenton 2007. Fenton compared a composite snapshot of Mars from 1977 taken by the Voyager spacecraft to a 1999 image compiled by the Mars Global Surveyor (referencing work from Geissler 2005). The 1977 snapshot showed a brighter planet. In 1999, the planet had a lower albedo, with prominent darker regions in the southern mid and high latitudes. Using the albedo changes in a general circulation model, Fenton calculated a 22 year global warming trend of 0.65°C.
Figure 1: Snapshots of Mars 1977 (top) and 1999 (bottom). Image courtesy of Geissler 2005.
Fenton attributed the warming to surface dust causing a change in the planet's albedo. Martian dust plays a major role in the planet's climate (Kahn 1992). Solar variations are not the main driver of Martian climate.
Not disputing anyone's information or source. It's interesting that dust in the air on Earth causes cooling and dust in the air on Mars causes warming.
Apparently the abilities of dust vary by zip code.
It's not the dust in the AIR, it's the dust on the GROUND!!!!!!!!
The quote clearly said SURFACE DUST!
How could you have possibly missed it??????????
edthecynic
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None of your above OPINIONS are proven. Only people who see what they want to see, see temp leading CO2 the same way you saw SURFACE dust as dust in the AIR on Mars.
The only thing you have to base your temp claims on is PROXY data, and proxy data has been shown to be in error where it overlaps direct instrument measurement. Not only that, the proxy data comes from very limited areas of the globe so no global conclusions can be honestly drawn from the very limited data. But that doesn't stop deniers from drawing the conclusions they want in order to muddy the waters.
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I love it. 100 years is not long enough to show a warming trend, but 2, 4, 7, 11, or 15 years is long enough to show the cooling trend deniers claim. Every one of the short time periods I just listed has been claimed by one denier or another to be proof the Earth is cooling not warming.But it's stopped going through cooling cycles over the last 100 years.
We have warming cycles followed by FLAT cycles instead of the natural cooling cycles, with each new warming cycle starting about where the last warming cycle left off.
Natural cycles pretty much ignor the clocks of Mankind. Interglacials are measured with centuries as the base unit of measure. Evolution of species uses millenia. Continental drift works in millions.
Using 100 years to measure planetary developement is like using 12 hours to measure the development of a day. Pretty dark at midnight. My God! It's really, really bright at noon.
If this brightening continues, we'll all be blind by mid night tonight. Save us! Save us!
100 years is not long enough to show a trend with any accuracy when heating and cooling is over 100,000 of years, yet you fearmongers want to say it is. You all are just a bunch of the sky is falling crowd.
It's all being exposed as a hoax and you can't let go. But I wouldn't expect anything less from you, and your posse
It's all being exposed as a hoax and you can't let go. But I wouldn't expect anything less from you, and your posse
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To deniers, 100 years is not long enough to show a warming trend, but no period of time is too short to show a cooling trend.
Global Cooling Theory - Bing
Oddball
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Which doesn't rebut the fact that 100 years isn't long enough to show a warming trend.
Ever stop and think that you warmist cargo cultists are merely getting your own flawed logic thrown back in your faces?
Ever stop and think that you warmist cargo cultists are merely getting your own flawed logic thrown back in your faces?
He needed a 22 year circulation model to calculate the effect of dust that's on the ground? That's an interesting take on his conclusions.
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