Christians judge god as good. Gnostic Christians judge god as evil. Which religion is correct?

[GreatestIam]

And, for those who can't be bothered to actually read Genesis, or anything else, God never claims to make something out of nothing, he makes it all out of 'chaos', i.e. he merely creates order where it didn't exist before.

More idiocy about a god whose habits you cannot know.

Regards
DL

 

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Gnosticism is a reaction to Christianity as socialism is a reaction to free enterprise.

 

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I'm assuming that there is only one god, and god made everything. I didn't realize that you were a multi-theist.

Jesus is god to many and he says he is one of many brethren.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

This thinking and predestination leads to -------

Divine Council - Wikipedia

Regards
DL

So you don't dispute that god made evil. Good for you.

My god. Not your supernatural fantasy god.

If not our of evolution, where do you think evil comes from?

If not born from love, then where?

Regards
DL

God made everything in the universe, including evil. Didn't He?

God as a human, yes.

God as an imaginary supernatural entity. Only the fools will thing such a construct exists.

Regards
DL

Only a fool says, there is no God.

The evidence is all around you and in you.

Only a fool would dismiss it.

 

[Taz]

Jesus is god to many and he says he is one of many brethren.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

This thinking and predestination leads to -------

Divine Council - Wikipedia

Regards
DL

So you don't dispute that god made evil. Good for you.

My god. Not your supernatural fantasy god.

If not our of evolution, where do you think evil comes from?

If not born from love, then where?

Regards
DL

God made everything in the universe, including evil. Didn't He?

God as a human, yes.

God as an imaginary supernatural entity. Only the fools will thing such a construct exists.

Regards
DL

Only a fool says, there is no God.

The evidence is all around you and in you.

Only a fool would dismiss it.

No god has been proven. By anyone. Ever.

 

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So you don't dispute that god made evil. Good for you.

My god. Not your supernatural fantasy god.

If not our of evolution, where do you think evil comes from?

If not born from love, then where?

Regards
DL

God made everything in the universe, including evil. Didn't He?

God as a human, yes.

God as an imaginary supernatural entity. Only the fools will thing such a construct exists.

Regards
DL

Only a fool says, there is no God.

The evidence is all around you and in you.

Only a fool would dismiss it.

No god has been proven. By anyone. Ever.

Physical laws, moral laws and biological laws say otherwise . So does the creation of space and time from nothing and inorganic matter assembling itself into life.

 

[Taz]

My god. Not your supernatural fantasy god.

If not our of evolution, where do you think evil comes from?

If not born from love, then where?

Regards
DL

God made everything in the universe, including evil. Didn't He?

God as a human, yes.

God as an imaginary supernatural entity. Only the fools will thing such a construct exists.

Regards
DL

Only a fool says, there is no God.

The evidence is all around you and in you.

Only a fool would dismiss it.

No god has been proven. By anyone. Ever.

Physical laws, moral laws and biological laws say otherwise . So does the creation of space and time from nothing and inorganic matter assembling itself into life.

What’s the connection to your invisible sky daddy?

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Implying What "

* A Priori Self Evident *

Physical laws, moral laws and biological laws say otherwise . So does the creation of space and time from nothing and inorganic matter assembling itself into life.

Does your assertion suppose that something can be separated from itself ?

Why would " gawd " represent characteristics distinct from qualities intrinsic with natural existence ?

Suppose that the underlying basis of existence is an infinitesimal identity element and suppose an infinite set of them .

Suppose an infinitesimal has a quality of infinitude ( ex. infinite number ) , as being and becoming through some transition .

Given that an infinitesimal would be without end , what does such imply about its beginning ?

Would an infinitesimal include a spatial quality of some geometry , some natural bias ?

Would an infinitesimal be cognizant any more than a single atom or any composite without a sophisticated infrastructure to facilitate cognizance ?

Would inchoate infinitesimals imply an underlying indifference to even outcomes , therefore how could such preclude good or evil ?

By intrinsic inclusion all emulate a quality of infinitude by induction , yet cognizant entities deduce that being and becoming through some transition can be affirmed by procreation .

Theocracy conjectures that practices deviating from a deduction to affirm infinitude are " evil " , hence its usual consternation about procreation , even as it proffers a myopia for absolute authority over its means of determination .

 

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" Implying What "

* A Priori Self Evident *

Physical laws, moral laws and biological laws say otherwise . So does the creation of space and time from nothing and inorganic matter assembling itself into life.

Does your assertion suppose that something can be separated from itself ?

Why would " gawd " represent characteristics distinct from qualities intrinsic with natural existence ?

Suppose that the underlying basis of existence is an infinitesimal identity element and suppose an infinite set of them .

Suppose an infinitesimal has a quality of infinitude ( ex. infinite number ) , as being and becoming through some transition .

Given that an infinitesimal would be without end , what does such imply about its beginning ?

Would an infinitesimal include a spatial quality of some geometry , some natural bias ?

Would an infinitesimal be cognizant any more than a single atom or any composite without a sophisticated infrastructure to facilitate cognizance ?

Would inchoate infinitesimals imply an underlying indifference to even outcomes so how could such preclude good or evil ?

By intrinsic inclusion all emulate a quality of infinitude by induction , yet cognizant entities deduce that being and becoming through some transition can be affirmed by procreation .

Theocracy conjectures that practices deviating from a deduction to affirm infinitude are " evil " , hence its usual consternation about procreation , even as it proffers myopia and absolute authority .

The only solution to the first cause conundrum is something which is eternal and unchanging. For if it is changing it cannot be eternal.

The only thing that fits this description is no thing. As in no material thing.

Therefore, God is no material thing.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Semantic Side Steps "

* Lost In Translation *

The only solution to the first cause conundrum is something which is eternal and unchanging. For if it is changing it cannot be eternal.

An infinite number does not have an end , and that is a double entendre , to which one may apply the same paradoxical insinuations used to describe characteristics of " gawd " - that nature is was an always will be .

Real analysis - Wikipedia

* Abstraction To The Point of Non Existence *

The only thing that fits this description is no thing. As in no material thing.
Therefore, God is no material thing.

Not material as in some sort of energy substrate that cannot be converted into physical matter ?

* Root Cause Analysis *

Such assertions are more in line with uniform fetish ploys for control , that blindly ignore an obvious deduction that procreation affirms an eternal quality of infinitude , that of being and becoming through some transition .

It is astounding how theocracy uses nothingness to invoke pretenses for its dictum , lauding " this is the word of gawd " and " because it exists do what it says " , all while rejecting reasoning self evident in nature .

Consequentialism - Wikipedia
Deontological ethics - Wikipedia

 

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" Semantic Side Steps "

* Lost In Translation *

The only solution to the first cause conundrum is something which is eternal and unchanging. For if it is changing it cannot be eternal.

An infinite number does not have an end , and that is a double entendre , to which one may apply the same paradoxical insinuations used to describe characteristics of " gawd " - that nature is was an always will be .

Real analysis - Wikipedia

* Abstraction To The Point of Non Existence *

The only thing that fits this description is no thing. As in no material thing.
Therefore, God is no material thing.

Not material as in some sort of energy substrate that cannot be converted into physical matter ?

* Root Cause Analysis *

Such assertions are more in line with uniform fetish ploys for control , that blindly ignore an obvious conclusion that procreation affirms an eternal quality of infinitude , by being and becoming through some transition .

It is astounding how theocracy uses nothingness to invoke pretenses for its dictum , lauding " this is the word of gawd " and because it exists do what it says , all while rejecting reasoning self evident in nature .

Consequentialism - Wikipedia
Deontological ethics - Wikipedia

Abstraction to the point of existence. Ergo God is existence.

 

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It is astounding how militant atheism is a religion.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Moral Relativism of Substantive Indifference "

* Existentialism Of Nothingness *

Abstraction to the point of existence. Ergo God is existence.

Abstraction to the point of existence . Ergo " nature " is existence .

Reductio ad absurdum - Wikipedia

 

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" Moral Relativism of Substantive Indifference "

* Existentialism Of Nothingness *

Abstraction to the point of existence. Ergo God is existence.

Abstraction to the point of existence . Ergo " nature " is existence .

Reductio ad absurdum - Wikipedia

For any given thing there is a final state of fact. We call this objective truth or reality. Once discovered it is known that it was always this way even when it wasn’t believed to be that way. And it is known that it will always be that way. In other words the final state of fact is eternal and unchanging. Ergo God is objective truth. Ergo God is reality. Ergo God is existence.

If you can’t explain something in your own words, then maybe you don’t understand it.

 

[GreatestIam]

Gnosticism is a reaction to Christianity as socialism is a reaction to free enterprise.

Even the stupid sometimes speak the truth, but from the wrong view.

Someone had to civilize Christianity so it may as well be the only good Christians. Gnostic Christians.

Regards
DL

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Fabricating Highlander "

* Self Validation *

It is astounding how militant atheism is a religion.

Theories of naturalism do not dismiss deities and your allusions are to deism , while theism is political melodrama boasting as to which deity is the most powerful , while any and all deities would be inseparable from nature .

Now substantiating the existence of deities as sophisticated cognizant states , autonomous of will and capable of intervening in physical events on their own behalf remains hypothetical , while charged states and non local realism are not .

Now when it comes to politics , my perspective is apatheism , that ignores denominational absurdities , and evaluates tenets of creed based upon non aggression principles .

Further , those who allude to themselves as " christians " and do not adhere with antinomianism - that by no name will one invoke a law - they are deluded heretics .

Simple facts are that one is either here or one is not here and to be here , and to continue ones sophisticated physical state which provisions sentience and sapience , one must procreate .

And whether procreation is understood by a deduction to affirm an eternal quality of infinitude - that of being and becoming through some transition , that is the success criteria intrinsic to nature .

 

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Gnosticism is a reaction to Christianity as socialism is a reaction to free enterprise.

Even the stupid sometimes speak the truth, but from the wrong view.

Someone had to civilize Christianity so it may as well be the only good Christians. Gnostic Christians.

Regards
DL

Wrong. Gnostics were almost as reprehensible as militant atheists.

 

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" Fabricating Highlander "

* Self Validation *

It is astounding how militant atheism is a religion.

Theories of naturalism do not dismiss deities and your allusions are to deism , while theism is political melodrama boasting as to which deity is the most powerful , while any and all deities would be inseparable from nature .

Now substantiating the existence of deities as sophisticated cognizant states , autonomous of will and capable of intervening in physical events on their own behalf remains hypothetical , while charged states and non local realism are not .

Now when it comes to politics , my perspective is apatheism , that ignores denominational absurdities , and evaluates tenets of creed based upon non aggression principles .

Further , those who allude to themselves as " christians " and do not adhere with antinomianism - that by no name will one invoke a law - they are deluded heretics .

Simple facts are that one is either here or one is not here and to be here , and to continue ones sophisticated physical state which provisions sentience and sapience , one must procreate .

And whether procreation is understood by a deduction to affirm an eternal quality of infinitude - that of being and becoming through some transition , that is the success criteria intrinsic to nature .

Wrong again. My beliefs and the evidence at hand point to a personal God. And it is good for us that he is. Because an impersonal God wouldn’t put up with our behaviors.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Making It All Up "

* Ignoring The Obvious *

For any given thing there is a final state of fact. We call this objective truth or reality. Once discovered it is known that it was always this way even when it wasn’t believed to be that way. And it is known that it will always be that way. In other words the final state of fact is eternal and unchanging. Ergo God is objective truth. Ergo God is reality. Ergo God is existence.
If you can’t explain something in your own words, then maybe you don’t understand it.

What compels one to utter contradictions that the world is stochastic with predetermined fate but the world is dynamic with free will of indeterminate fate ?

If by objective truth , you mean to imply a'priori ( A priori and a posteriori - Wikipedia ) and logical deduction , such is the basis of mathematics and science .

For example , no deity could change Golden ratio - Wikipedia , hence it is a quality of existence .

An issue for those seeking to determine their own fate while being confronted by those seeking to determine that fate for them is most often that claims by those seeking to determine the fate of others originate ab initio with a invocation by absurdity .

My background has included all of the references and are understood intimately , wherefore the references are provided as academic digression to address simpleton and neophyte perspectives .

 

[GreatestIam]

Gnosticism is a reaction to Christianity as socialism is a reaction to free enterprise.

Even the stupid sometimes speak the truth, but from the wrong view.

Someone had to civilize Christianity so it may as well be the only good Christians. Gnostic Christians.

Regards
DL

Wrong. Gnostics were almost as reprehensible as militant atheists.

Inquisitions, and the religion that favors using it and that you favor, takes that prize. Congratulations for showing true Christian morals.

Satanic morals.

Regards
DL

 

[ding]

" Making It All Up "

* Ignoring The Obvious *

For any given thing there is a final state of fact. We call this objective truth or reality. Once discovered it is known that it was always this way even when it wasn’t believed to be that way. And it is known that it will always be that way. In other words the final state of fact is eternal and unchanging. Ergo God is objective truth. Ergo God is reality. Ergo God is existence.
If you can’t explain something in your own words, then maybe you don’t understand it.

What compels one to utter contradictions that the world is stochastic with predetermined fate but the world is dynamic with free will of indeterminate fate .

If by objective truth , you mean to imply a'priori ( A priori and a posteriori - Wikipedia ) and logical deduction , such is the basis of mathematics and science .

For example , no deity could change Golden ratio - Wikipedia , hence it is a quality of existence .

An issue for those seeking to determine their own fate while being confronted by those seeking to determine that fate for them is most often from claims for ab initio foundations based upon absurdity .

My background has included all of the references and are understood intimately , wherefore the references are provided as academic digression to address simpleton and neophyte perspectives .

Whereas I think people like yourself talk the way you do because you like listening to the sound of your own voice.

We live in a logical universe governed by laws and rules where every effect had a corresponding cause such that everything happens for a specific reason.

At any point in time we are the sum of our choices. And from these choices we receive feedback - good and bad - that allow us to learn and evolve.

And oh yeah... dunning effect.