Zone1 Christians: How Seriously do you take the Admonition "Judge not that Ye Be Not Judged?"

[Seymour Flops]

Do you apply it in your own life?

How exactly do you interpret it?

I'm curious because in the KJV, that is the quote, "Judge not that ye be not judged."

But in the NKJV (New King James Version) it says "Judge not, and you will not be judged." which I believe has a slightly different meaning.

Maybe that is a legalistic analysis, but Jesus was a well-read Jew accostomed to such debates over the Torah, for example.

 

[Meriweather]

Do you apply it in your own life?

How exactly do you interpret it?

I'm curious because in the KJV, that is the quote, "Judge not that ye be not judged."

But in the NKJV (New King James Version) it says "Judge not, and you will not be judged." which I believe has a slightly different meaning.

Maybe that is a legalistic analysis, but Jesus was a well-read Jew accostomed to such debates over the Torah, for example.

Are you reading Matthew 7:1-3--For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
A couple of homilies I remember brought up the difference between assessing the behavior as opposed to judging the entire person. An example is seeing a person acting selfishly in a particular instance might have one assessing that act to be selfish, which is not the same as judging the whole person as selfish.

For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged I've mulled over several times, and will continue to ponder. I have a habit (and not necessarily a good one) of giving someone a pass when it may have been in their better interest to hold them to account.

 

[Invisibleflash]

Do you apply it in your own life?

How exactly do you interpret it?

I'm curious because in the KJV, that is the quote, "Judge not that ye be not judged."

But in the NKJV (New King James Version) it says "Judge not, and you will not be judged." which I believe has a slightly different meaning.

Maybe that is a legalistic analysis, but Jesus was a well-read Jew accostomed to such debates over the Torah, for example.

I don't believe in any gods.

Nowadays you must make judgements all the time. Our world is decomposing before our eyes. Dont be a bissninny if you want to stay safe.

 

[Seth]

Do you apply it in your own life?

How exactly do you interpret it?

I'm curious because in the KJV, that is the quote, "Judge not that ye be not judged."

But in the NKJV (New King James Version) it says "Judge not, and you will not be judged." which I believe has a slightly different meaning.

Maybe that is a legalistic analysis, but Jesus was a well-read Jew accostomed to such debates over the Torah, for example.

i was raised Lutheran and we were taught that this is not a prohibition against judging but a warning to be wise when using judgment.

 

[Dr.Destructo]

I've learned early on in life...............

Do unto others BEFORE they do unto you.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

I waiver between considering myself an Atheist and a "Possibilian," for no one can know with absolute certainty there are deities. The religious will clam they know for certain, but until they are wholly dead and gone, they couldn't know. People have NDE's (Near Death Experiences) but it could just be their brains conjuring visions of what they've been fed through years of indoctrination.
As for judging, we all judge people based upon a combination of their statements and behavior. It's just natural.

 

[Stuartbirdan2]

Do you apply it in your own life?

How exactly do you interpret it?

I'm curious because in the KJV, that is the quote, "Judge not that ye be not judged."

But in the NKJV (New King James Version) it says "Judge not, and you will not be judged." which I believe has a slightly different meaning.

Maybe that is a legalistic analysis, but Jesus was a well-read Jew accostomed to such debates over the Torah, for example.

Real Christians take it very seriously

 

[Seymour Flops]

Are you reading Matthew 7:1-3--For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

Yes, that is the verse I mean. Do you mind if I ask what version that is?

A couple of homilies I remember brought up the difference between assessing the behavior as opposed to judging the entire person. An example is seeing a person acting selfishly in a particular instance might have one assessing that act to be selfish, which is not the same as judging the whole person as selfish.

Very logical.

For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged I've mulled over several times, and will continue to ponder. I have a habit (and not necessarily a good one) of giving someone a pass when it may have been in their better interest to hold them to account.

Yes, there are parts of the Bible (and I am no expert) that speak of parents disciplining children. That requires first to judge the child's behavior and then to apply the appropriate reward or punishment.

I take Mathhew 7:1-3 to mean that we should not judge others as if we were God and had the power to determine what is and is not sinful. Judge the mechanic who overcharges you, judge the polititican who presides over failing schools, judge your spouse if they are unfaithful. But unfaithful to you. God will judge the sin aspect of the unfaithfulness, with no help from men and women.

I've always taken "Judge not, that ye be not judged," to mean that if you judge others, God will judge you for the judging, and God will apply the strict standards you apply to yourself.

"Judge not, and you will not be judged," seems to be a promise that the act of refraining from judging will protect you from being judged. I don't think that is what Jesus meant, but who am I to say?

 

[Meriweather]

Do you mind if I ask what version that is?

I have several Bibles in reach. That one, I believe was from the NIV, but it could also have been from the New American Standard. Also, I often take note of what the Amplified Bible is saying.

"Judge not, and you will not be judged," seems to be a promise that the act of refraining from judging will protect you from being judged. I don't think that is what Jesus meant, but who am I to say?

And here is where I think the Amplified Bible may be of help because it adds "criticize" to the verse. For me, this calls to mind family gatherings, and (mostly) is good fun, someone will tell a story about his/her spouse that does have that element of criticism. "You won't believe what he did this morning!" often prompts a response of, "But that's nothing compared to what she did the other day." We might see it when we say to our own spouse, "You never do..." and the response is something like, "Well, you always do..."

 

[Alter2Ego]

Do you apply it in your own life?
How exactly do you interpret it?
I'm curious because in the KJV, that is the quote, "Judge not that ye be not judged."
But in the NKJV (New King James Version) it says "Judge not, and you will not be judged." which I believe has a slightly different meaning.
Maybe that is a legalistic analysis, but Jesus was a well-read Jew accostomed to such debates over the Torah, for example.

Both versions of Matthew 7:1 are saying the exact same thing. The first quotation is from the 1611 English translation (considered "modern English" at the time). It was influenced by Latin and the words were spelled in the Jacobian style.

"The 1611 King James Bible was written more than four hundred years ago when the English language was different. The original 1611 A.D. text, written in Early Modern English, shows the language with its Latin influence. Spelling was in Jacobean style which was not entirely standardized, but could be read phonetically."

King James Bible English Spelling

King James Bible English Spelling of the King James Bible

www.kingjamesbibleonline.org

The "New" King James version (the second quotation of the same verse of scripture) is simply using today's modern English.

 

[DGS49]

We must not judge people - nobody knows what is in a person's heart - but we must judge visible behavior.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

Luke 6:37
Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

John 7:24
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.

My understanding is that we mustn't judge and condemn others but we can and must discern behavior to determine if it is or isn't pleasing to God. Also, at times we are required to judge and take action and it's ok as long as we do so righteously. For example, if one catches their employee stealing from them, they have no choice but to "judge" and then respond accordingly.

 

[BreezeWood]

progression, necessary for greater rewards is all judgement calls - moderation would be the safest time allowing.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Do you apply it in your own life?

How exactly do you interpret it?

I'm curious because in the KJV, that is the quote, "Judge not that ye be not judged."

But in the NKJV (New King James Version) it says "Judge not, and you will not be judged." which I believe has a slightly different meaning.

Maybe that is a legalistic analysis, but Jesus was a well-read Jew accostomed to such debates over the Torah, for example.

As serious as Paul did. Being guilty of serious crimes, he said he wouldn't even judge himself, it was that important to him to not be judged for his crimes against humanity.
Then again, I just called Tommy Taint an idiot, so there's that. I'm aware of it though when a judgmental thought pops in my mind, then I remove it. And when my husband is watching TV and says something judgmental, I just remind him that he's going to hell...

 

[Quantrill]

Do you apply it in your own life?

How exactly do you interpret it?

I'm curious because in the KJV, that is the quote, "Judge not that ye be not judged."

But in the NKJV (New King James Version) it says "Judge not, and you will not be judged." which I believe has a slightly different meaning.

Maybe that is a legalistic analysis, but Jesus was a well-read Jew accostomed to such debates over the Torah, for example.

Understand that (Matt. 7:1-3) was not written to the Church. The Church didn't begin until (Acts 2). (Matt. 5-7) is the 'Sermon on the Mount' which are the laws of the Kingdom where Israel will be the leading nation with Christ ruling in Jerusalem over the world.

When Jesus first came He came offering the Kingdom to Israel, that was promised in the Old Testament. And the gospels, though located in the New Testament, are on Old Testament ground. The Mosaic law is still in place.

So, when John the Baptist came preaching of the coming Kingdom, (Matt. 3:1-2), he wasn't preaching about the Church. He was preaching about the Kingdom on earth where Israel would be the leading nation and Messiah would rule and reign in Jerusalem, over the world. Just as Jesus would preach. (Matt. 4:17) Just as the disciples would preach. (Matt. 10:5-6)

And Jesus was presenting Himself as that King. And He was doing the miracles that only one of God could do. His birthright was established to His right of the throne. Son of David. (Matt. 1:6)

So, in (Matt. 5-7) Jesus is giving the laws of that future Kingdom. These are the laws that will be enacted when that Kingdom comes on earth. (Matt. 6:10)

But the Jews rejected their King and killed Him, and so the King turned away and rejected them. The Kingdom did not come.

And as a result another Body of believers would be born out of Christ's suffering. The Church. His Body and Bride. And we who are the Church, do judge. (1 Cor. 6:1-5) We judge within the Body of Christ. And outside the Body of Christ we can't judge the motive of others but we can judge the right or wrong of the matter.

Quantrill

 

[BackAgain]

Do you apply it in your own life?

How exactly do you interpret it?

I'm curious because in the KJV, that is the quote, "Judge not that ye be not judged."

But in the NKJV (New King James Version) it says "Judge not, and you will not be judged." which I believe has a slightly different meaning.

Maybe that is a legalistic analysis, but Jesus was a well-read Jew accostomed to such debates over the Torah, for example.

I always understood it to say “as you judge, so shall you be judged.”

And my understanding of that was that, to the extent you judge others at all, make sure you are fair since, otherwise, your own day to be judged may be in danger.

 

[onefour1]

Here are some other Biblical verses to take under consideration:

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Proverbs 31:9
Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.

John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

 

[Cougarbear]

i was raised Lutheran and we were taught that this is not a prohibition against judging but a warning to be wise when using judgment.

I had a 70 in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints say it like this, "honor thy mother and father IN RIGHTEOUSNESS" Adding those two words is like you said by using wise or righteous judgment.

 

[Cougarbear]

Here are some other Biblical verses to take under consideration:

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Proverbs 31:9
Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.

John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

When I joined the Church, I had the opportunity to go to Elder Hugh W. Pinnock's office for a one-on-one because I was a convert from Judaism. Elder Pinnock was actively involved with the Jewish synagogue in Salt Lake City. I asked him how can I honor my parents if I don't drink the wine when invited over for Passover? His answer was just that, "Honor they mother and father IN RIGHTEOUSNESS." It is not right for me to drink wine after coveting with God to not drink alcohol. However, he said reject the wine and do it with the spirit and with tact. And, not with moral superiority holier than though attitude.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

How exactly do you interpret it?

WE are to judge actions, and peoples CURRENT character.

What we don't do is write off a person (condemn them to hell), because while they have this life GOD IS NOT FINISHED WITH THEM