Cherokee Nation Vote: No Such Thing As A Black Or White Indian

[unitednative]

Cherokee Nation Vote: No Such Thing As A Black Or White Indian


Oklahoma Cherokee Nation members have voted to exclude a group of African Americans going by the name of Freedmen and Intermarried Whites. Members of the Freedmen group claim to be descendents of runaway Black slaves, some claim Indian heritage. Some Eastern Indian Nations were forced by the federal government to give full tribal citizenship to the runaway Black slaves through the treaty of 1866 at the end of the U.S. Civil War 1861-1865.

Today, some African Americans claiming Indian heritage are calling themselves Black Indians. There is no such thing as a Black American Indian or White American Indian! You're American Indian or you're not! If you're Black or White and have Indian heritage, that is all you can and should claim. It's an insult to the American Indian community for people of another race to claim their Indian heritage while doing so through their dominant race color.

 

[5stringJeff]

Cherokee Nation Vote: No Such Thing As A Black Or White Indian


Oklahoma Cherokee Nation members have voted to exclude a group of African Americans going by the name of Freedmen and Intermarried Whites. Members of the Freedmen group claim to be descendents of runaway Black slaves, some claim Indian heritage. Some Eastern Indian Nations were forced by the federal government to give full tribal citizenship to the runaway Black slaves through the treaty of 1866 at the end of the U.S. Civil War 1861-1865.

Today, some African Americans claiming Indian heritage are calling themselves Black Indians. There is no such thing as a Black American Indian or White American Indian! You're American Indian or you're not! If you're Black or White and have Indian heritage, that is all you can and should claim. It's an insult to the American Indian community for people of another race to claim their Indian heritage while doing so through their dominant race color.

I'm part Cherokee, but I'm also part white. Which part should I be allowed to claim, O Arbiter of Racial Profiling?

 

[unitednative]

If you had more white blood heritage than Black African, would you go around calling yourself a White African here in America? I don't think so

 

[Dirt McGirt]

If you had more white blood heritage than Black African, would you go around calling yourself a White African here in America? I don't think so

That depends though. If a White African tribal nation were suddenly handing out millions in casino revenues and reparations to anyone who can lay claim to heritage, I know I would.

 

[Gunny]

Cherokee Nation Vote: No Such Thing As A Black Or White Indian


Oklahoma Cherokee Nation members have voted to exclude a group of African Americans going by the name of Freedmen and Intermarried Whites. Members of the Freedmen group claim to be descendents of runaway Black slaves, some claim Indian heritage. Some Eastern Indian Nations were forced by the federal government to give full tribal citizenship to the runaway Black slaves through the treaty of 1866 at the end of the U.S. Civil War 1861-1865.

Today, some African Americans claiming Indian heritage are calling themselves Black Indians. There is no such thing as a Black American Indian or White American Indian! You're American Indian or you're not! If you're Black or White and have Indian heritage, that is all you can and should claim. It's an insult to the American Indian community for people of another race to claim their Indian heritage while doing so through their dominant race color.

Your argument is correct only on the genetic level. People raised within the society and contributing to that society should be allowed to claim that society as their own, regardless the suntan.

 

[roomy]

Your argument is correct only on the genetic level. People raised within the society and contributing to that society should be allowed to claim that society as their own, regardless the suntan.

Does that mean white folk raised in a predominantly black neighbourhood are black, societly speaking and vice versa? How would one describe oneself if asked?

 

[Gunny]

Does that mean white folk raised in a predominantly black neighbourhood are black, societly speaking and vice versa? How would one describe oneself if asked?

American.

 

[William Joyce]

Cherokee Nation Vote: No Such Thing As A Black Or White Indian


Oklahoma Cherokee Nation members have voted to exclude a group of African Americans going by the name of Freedmen and Intermarried Whites. Members of the Freedmen group claim to be descendents of runaway Black slaves, some claim Indian heritage. Some Eastern Indian Nations were forced by the federal government to give full tribal citizenship to the runaway Black slaves through the treaty of 1866 at the end of the U.S. Civil War 1861-1865.

Today, some African Americans claiming Indian heritage are calling themselves Black Indians. There is no such thing as a Black American Indian or White American Indian! You're American Indian or you're not! If you're Black or White and have Indian heritage, that is all you can and should claim. It's an insult to the American Indian community for people of another race to claim their Indian heritage while doing so through their dominant race color.

Sure. But nobody gets excited about American Indians wanting to do this. Or blacks, Jews, Hispanics. Only when whites assert peoplehood.

 

[unitednative]

American Indians are a race of their own! Blacks cannot change that FACT!!

 

[Gunny]

American Indians are a race of their own! Blacks cannot change that FACT!!

Native Americans are not a separate race. They do not belong to the negroid race, but they are part of the mongoloid race. They are an ethnicity group of their own.

 

[unitednative]

A race ia a race!

 

[Gunny]

A race ia a race!

Yeah, and there are 3 .... mongoloid, negroid and caucasoid. Pick one.

 

[roomy]

American.

Thats the catch all, but it doesn't answer the question your post begged, and I asked.

 

[roomy]

Native American, Afro American, White American, are null and void, American or nothing, is that right?

The world, never mind America is too racist to accept the all encompassing definition, and by that I specifically point to the ethnic minorities who spend more time at seperatism than unilatiralism than those they accuse of it.

In essence, I see what you are saying , but IMO it is a pipe dream.

 

[unitednative]

Indians & Hawaiians discovered all land above the earths equator

For GET Columbus!!! History tells us he was lost!!! like the ABC TV show LOST

 

[Gunny]

Native American, Afro American, White American, are null and void, American or nothing, is that right?

The world, never mind America is too racist to accept the all encompassing definition, and by that I specifically point to the ethnic minorities who spend more time at seperatism than unilatiralism than those they accuse of it.

In essence, I see what you are saying , but IMO it is a pipe dream.

Let me see if I can answer your question to your satisfaction then ....

If a white person is raised in a black environment, of course that environment is not going to alter the white person's genetics. However, that white person my possess and embrace black culture as opposed to white culture.

If he fits in, do you throw him out of the neighborhood for his skin color? Is it right for the culture in which he fits and embraces deny him a place because he can't get as good a tan?

On the ideological level, I say the answer to both is no. On the level of reality, we humans are not as far advanced from our animal instincts as we wish to fool ourselves into believing. We fear and hate anything different as a threat to our status quo, and no amount of intellect seems to be able to rise above it.

 

[Gunny]

Indians & Hawaiians discovered all land above the earths equator

For GET Columbus!!! History tells us he was lost!!! like the ABC TV show LOST

I see you are as informed in history as you are biology.

 

[unitednative]

Ely S. Parker Seneca-Iroquois Indian, was born in 1828

U.S. Civil War surrender documents are in his hand writing.

Lieutenant Colonel Ely S. Parker was present when When Robert E. Lee surrendered at Appomattox and the surrender documents are in his handwriting, Grant was bad at spelling and penmanship. After exchanging small talk, Lee and Grant began drafting the articles of surrender for the Confederate army. Once the generals had agreed on conditions, Parker was directed to draft two copies of the articles of surrender for signatures. Then General Lee while shaking hands with Parker said "I am glad to see one real American here." Parker accepted the proffered handshake, responding, "We are all Americans."

Although Ely Parker is best known for his role in drafting the terms of surrender that ended the Civil War, his life's work was far greater than that single act. He attained the rank of brigadier-general and during Grant's presidency, served as Commissioner of Indian Affairs. He is buried in Forest Lawn Cemetery in Buffalo NY

 

[Gunny]

Ely S. Parker Seneca-Iroquois Indian, was born in 1828

U.S. Civil War surrender documents are in his hand writing.

Lieutenant Colonel Ely S. Parker was present when When Robert E. Lee surrendered at Appomattox and the surrender documents are in his handwriting, Grant was bad at spelling and penmanship. After exchanging small talk, Lee and Grant began drafting the articles of surrender for the Confederate army. Once the generals had agreed on conditions, Parker was directed to draft two copies of the articles of surrender for signatures. Then General Lee while shaking hands with Parker said "I am glad to see one real American here." Parker accepted the proffered handshake, responding, "We are all Americans."

Although Ely Parker is best known for his role in drafting the terms of surrender that ended the Civil War, his life's work was far greater than that single act. He attained the rank of brigadier-general and during Grant's presidency, served as Commissioner of Indian Affairs. He is buried in Forest Lawn Cemetery in Buffalo NY

So you are saying Native Americans are qualified to be secretaries?

 

[roomy]

Let me see if I can answer your question to your satisfaction then ....

If a white person is raised in a black environment, of course that environment is not going to alter the white person's genetics. However, that white person my possess and embrace black culture as opposed to white culture.

If he fits in, do you throw him out of the neighborhood for his skin color? Is it right for the culture in which he fits and embraces deny him a place because he can't get as good a tan?

On the ideological level, I say the answer to both is no. On the level of reality, we humans are not as far advanced from our animal instincts as we wish to fool ourselves into believing. We fear and hate anything different as a threat to our status quo, and no amount of intellect seems to be able to rise above it.

Ideaology and reality are worlds apart.