CC This Is For You!

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by crazy canadian
So, if it's too late to talk to them, and killing doesn't work either, what would you do?

Not sure who you're talking to.

I don't have a problem with killing a terrorist to stop them from killing us.

And the last thing I want to do is have a sit-down with AL Queda and see if we can't work things out.

I hate war, but I would almost agree with this one if we weren't left with the task of rebuilding Iraq and Afghanistan. At least we have more help in Afghan.
EDIT: aslo, if we had more support when we invaded and a better plan.

Remember that country?
Hardly hear anything about it anymore.

 

[JIHADTHIS]

CC, I've read quite a few of your posts today. Your idea of no killing and peace are very noble.

Unfortunately, there are many people that would be happy to see you and your family killed just for the fact that they don't like you. True, a lot of things have happened in the last 30 years, but to take the position that we brought this on ourselves is flat out wrong.

Because of who we are dealing with, there only two ways to put an end to this. Kill the rabid fundamentalists whose minds you will never change, while at the same time give them an example of how great their life can be if they would only stop living their lives like 14th century totalitarians.

Peace: a nice idea, but not realistic at this time.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by JIHADTHIS

Peace: a nice idea, but not realistic at this time.

Peace is always a realistic idea.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by crazy canadian
Nope, not in self defense either.

If you walked up to me and pointed a fun at me and told me you were going to kill me, I would whip out my light saber and strike you dead before you had a chance to pull the trigger.

That would be self-defense.
Defensible in court.
Defensible in my mind.
Defensible in most minds.

I would lose sleep over having to kill ANYONE, but I would not feel bad about it or regret it or expect punishment after death for it.

What would you do in the same situation?

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by Kathianne
CC you are not going to convince most of us that turning the other cheek will result in greater security. I believe our past 4 presidents gave that a go, with failure following.

What did GWB do to combat terrorism after assuming the role of Commander in Chief and prior to 9/11/01?

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by crazy canadian
The terrorists probably aren't going to back off anytime soon, either. It's up to us to lead by example. Not give in to terrorism, just start peace from within. Gain some respect in the eyes of the terrorists.

I do believe we need to lead by example, and could be doing more to set the right example.

But gain respect in the eyes of the terrorists? Puh-lease. I won't insult you, nice lady, but my blood is boiling.

Tell me why/how you aim to earnthe respect of someone who plans to blow themselves up in front of you because they think it is God's will?

Respect? Someone wants to kill you and you want respect?
Respect would be not killing someone who has DONE YOU ABSOLUTELY NO HARM.

3000 of my fellow New Yorkers(plus those at the Pentagon and those who perished in PA) were on their way to work one morning
when 20 terrorists blew them off the face of the planet because OBL and co. thought our military should stay out of Saudi. Or something like that...

Respect you say?

So we should just pull out of Saudi and say we're sorry please don't kill us again? Should we give them a couple hundred million dollars, as well, to appease them?

We need to show respect to and even attempt to gain the respect of the Middle Easterners but not those who perpetuate violence.

 

[Annie]

My point exactly. Contrary to be a war monger, there is not one shread to lead one to believe that without 9/11 GW would have done one thing differently than the preceding 4. He was all set to be a 'domestic' president, but history got in the way.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by Kathianne
My point exactly. Contrary to be a war monger, there is not one shread to lead one to believe that without 9/11 GW would have done one thing differently than the preceding 4. He was all set to be a 'domestic' president, but history got in the way.

So you are saying that you think Bush would have turned the other cheek?

Interesting...

 

[Avatar4321]

Peace is impossible without freedom. And Freedom is impossible without there being people willing to fight evil men to obtain it. I wished we lived in a world where no man ever died prematurely. But id rather kill to protect people from evil then watch evil kill millions more. We saw what happened to the people of southeast asia when we pulled out of vietnam. We saw what Hilter was capable of when we refused to dirty our hands to stop him. Its better that one man die then nations be destroyed.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by Avatar4321
Peace is impossible without freedom. And Freedom is impossible without there being people willing to fight evil men to obtain it. I wished we lived in a world where no man ever died prematurely. But id rather kill to protect people from evil then watch evil kill millions more. We saw what happened to the people of southeast asia when we pulled out of vietnam. We saw what Hilter was capable of when we refused to dirty our hands to stop him. Its better that one man die then nations be destroyed.

Well said.

 

[Avatar4321]

Originally posted by nycflasher
So you are saying that you think Bush would have turned the other cheek?

Interesting...

I think what she is saying that if it werent for 911 Bush probably would have focused more on the domestic agenda.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by Avatar4321
I think what she is saying that if it werent for 911 Bush probably would have focused more on the domestic agenda.

Well, that's kinda close to ignoring terrorism.
Especially when coming from a GOP'er who is critical of Clinton's handling of the situation.

Would you agree?

 

[JIHADTHIS]

Originally posted by nycflasher
Peace is always a realistic idea.

Not when only 1 side believes in it

 

[pegwinn]

To CC: Very noble. I believe you believe that peace and love is the best option. I wish you well with that. But you need to know the simple facts: They want to kill you just becasue you are different. In this case, turning the other cheek will merely get your jaw broken.

To NYC: If I read your posts right, you support the idea of the war in IRAQ but oppose the acutal operations because of collateral damage and civilian casualties. The innocents in IRAQ are tragic. But, hey we are in a war. Save the blame for the guys who drove the planes and recruit suicide bombers. If we prosecute the war based on anything other than winning, we will be there forever and will never leave with a concience.

Y'all have a good night now

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by JIHADTHIS
Not when only 1 side believes in it

Good point.
But... that one side includes the rest of the civilized world who are LARGELY UNREPRESENTED in Iraq or in supporting our war plans. I'm not happy about that.

The civilized world vs. a high estimate of 18,000 terrorists. Hmm...

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by pegwinn
To CC: Very noble. I believe you believe that peace and love is the best option. I wish you well with that. But you need to know the simple facts: They want to kill you just becasue you are different. In this case, turning the other cheek will merely get your jaw broken.

To NYC: If I read your posts right, you support the idea of the war in IRAQ but oppose the acutal operations because of collateral damage and civilian casualties. The innocents in IRAQ are tragic. But, hey we are in a war. Save the blame for the guys who drove the planes and recruit suicide bombers. If we prosecute the war based on anything other than winning, we will be there forever and will never leave with a concience.

Y'all have a good night now

Night, pegwinn.
I support going after terrorists anmd capturing or killing them.
I do not like the position my country is in now.
I do not like the fact that we are nation building times two.
I do not like how the war has been conducted.

But yeah, I agree that there is more blood on the hands of Al Queda than us for if it weren't for them we wouldn't have to chase them around the world.

I think that more than just winning has gone into this war.
I think that this war goes beyond defeating terrorism, and alot of that has to do with problems I have with the administration conducting the war.

Blah, blah, blah... more tommorrow.
Peace in the Middle East.

 

[JIHADTHIS]

Originally posted by nycflasher
Good point.
But... that one side includes the rest of the civilized world who are LARGELY UNREPRESENTED in Iraq or in supporting our war plans. I'm not happy about that.

The civilized world vs. a high estimate of 18,000 terrorists. Hmm...

Try this:

Iraq becomes the leading economic, cultural country in the Middle East. Having the 2nd largest oil reserves (which they are in total control of as we speak), and a new found freedom they become a democratic powerhouse. Their children are educated, they already have some fantastic sites, tourism blossoms, they rebuild their country. Life is good, and the Iraqis are happy.

How legit will Zarqawi and Bin Laden look in the eyes of the so called Arab Street?
How will Assad keep the lid on his people when they see with their own eyes how great the Iraqis have it and the Syrians don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.
How will the Mullahs keep the new generation of Iranians down?

This is why we must suceeed in Iraq.

The tyrannical leaders of Syria, Iran, etc will collapse under the pressure brought on by their own populaces.
Instead of having these oppressed populations signing up for martyrdom operations, they will see they have something to live for.
That's what the War on Terror is all about.

 

[crazy canadian]

First of all, I shouldn't be allowed to own a gun. That's messed up. Second of all, I'm not blaming anyone for the present 'situation' we find ourselves in, and third of all, you are getting caught up in the details of events, and defending your views again.

If the gov't didn't have to deal with all the fighting going on inside our/your own country, then they could start to think about long term plans. Like maybe using communism, capitalism, and socialism to their advantage. The gov't is supposed to do what the people want, but the people don't know what they want, you're all fighting. Why not use communism to regulate healthcare and education, capitalism to maintain a healthy economy, and socialism to help the rest of the world? Create a program to help with redistribution of donated wealth, so long as other cultures agree to not force their cultural/religious beliefs on us and we agree to do the same, and eventually get companies to turn over the rights to trees and gas to the gov't while you're at it.

Is that impossible? I obviously do not fit in here. It's a never ending argument that you people enjoy.

 

[crazy canadian]

I've thought of that too, JI. There would have to be treaties, and the US would have to be the only one owning a big bomb. Because the US is a country made up of representatives of other countries. It has already allowed all other cultures and religions in.

 

[Annie]

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Originally posted by nycflasher
So you are saying that you think Bush would have turned the other cheek?

Interesting...
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Actually IMHO, yes, if the terrorists had kept their attacks somewhere else, he probably would have continued what had gone before. There is no way of knowing, since they chose another path that wrought the change.

While I had worked on his campaign enough to be offered airfare and hotel accomodations to count chads in FL, I was not too happy by the spring of 2001. It seemed the administration was continuing the 'investigations' of the USS Cole without any response.

Foreign affairs seemed not on the back burner, just gone. It was all NCLB and tax cuts, not that these items were unimportant, but you don't have to be an international specialist to see that the threats were building.

But things ARE different now. I don't think that it was the plan, but it is a fact now.