Catalog Of Rationales For Obama-executive Not Using Ebola Isolation Plans

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Ebola is loose in Dallas, and possibly in several other U.S. Cites, yet we still haven't restricted flight INTO the Hot Zones in Africa, or begun placing returning people through a 6 week isolation - observation period in a remote location.

Contagious Disease Surveillance Virus Awareness Ebola Map HealthMap

Statistics as of Oct 6, 2014:

Guinea: 1199 cases, 740 dead, Population 11.8M
Sierra Leone: 2437 cases, 623 dead, Population 6.1M
Senegal: 1 cases, 0 dead, Population 14.1 M
Liberia: 3834 cases, 2069 dead, Population 4.3M
Nigeria: 20 cases, 43 dead, Population 173.3M
DR Congo: 70 cases, 43 dead, Population 67.5M
United States: 1 Case, 0 dead, Population 316.1M

The "Plan" for dealing with the next Ebola major African Outbreak has been around and worked out for at least 30 years, and probably longer. The Military began doing exercises in how to airlift supply remote location isolation-observation portable camps as early as 1985, I know, I participated in them.

The concept was to greatly limit the number of people allowed to fly into the Hot Zones, to just those who were essential aid-worker, Doctor, Researcher, or Security personnel. When rotation time came around, and these people needed to be pulled back to the U.S. they would be sent to a remote patch of Alaskan Tundra, or Nevada Desert, to live in a series of spaced out camps along an Airlift supply runway, with fuel, electricity, sewer, water, shelters, clean cloths, medical supplies, and food all brought in and dropped in exchange zones, and pulled by cables and aircraft tugs across a buffer zone, to be unpacked and used by each camp.

The Camps would be phased, a new one starting each week, and after six weeks, those found clean, would be flown out to rejoin society. After several weeks fallow, an emptied camp would be thoroughly cleaned, and returned to service for a new weekly group.

That was "The PLAN".

We didn't do it!

WHY!?

Who has the Authority and Decides these things?

Clearly this is an issue controlled by the Executive Branch, the President, and his appointed representative, the head of the CDC.

The current head of the CDC is Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the New York City health commissioner, appointed by President Obama in May, 2009:

The CDC Director About CDC

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/health/policy/15cdc.html?_r=0

Like the Attorney General, the Head of the FCC, the Head of the FAA, the Head of the EPA, the Head of the FBI, and many other Cabinet Members, ....

Dr. Frieden serves at the request and forbearance of the President, but with the advice and consent of Congress.

Dr. Frieden has the authority and responsibility to set communicable disease isolation-quarantine protocols.

If the country and/or the President is unhappy with the actions of a cabinet member, it the duty of the President to request the resignation, and select a replacement.

The Buck Stops with the President Obama on this issue. Ultimately, President Obama is response for the advice and actions taken by his cabinet members and his Administration.

So this Thread is designed to be a list or catalog of the various theories and/or Rationales for why America, the CDC, and the Obama Administration did NOT follow through with the planned response.

So, the following pages will outline a series of possible rationales behind our abandoning the long held response plans to a new, major, Africa Ebola outbreak.

Some of these rationales will be weak, vague, and incomplete.

Some of these rationales will be offensive Conspiracy Theories, in the minds of some, but not all.

Some of these rationales will be the opinions of some segments of the scientific community as to the danger presented by the outbreak, and our ability to control the hazard, but many on this forum will not agree with the assessment of control envisioned.

All the theories I could find, will be presented in a very brief sketch, and the readers/posters are encouraged to discuss them, and add new items to the growing list of rationales.

The rationales are not presented in any kind of logical order or hierarchy of believability. The order was somewhat determined by google searches return results of theories explaining the President's actions.



The Question for Debate of the Thread:

What do you believe is the Rationale being used by President Obama and his closest cabinet level advisers on the issue of Ebola, for abandoning the long held plans for Travel Restrictions and Returning Personnel Isolation?
 
00] It is simply not a threat. There is "Not even a smidgeon" of threat, Ebola is a moderate disease that presents no more threat than any other Flu, Virus, or Infectious Disease, therefore no special reaction is needed.

01] While Ebola is dangerous, we have the medical technology to handle any volume of infected cases with advanced medical treatment which is so far in advance of the treatment used in Africa, that here in the United States, the mortality rate, spread rate, and decontamination can be handled with ease, and Ebola present no more threat here than say, Tuberculosis or Dengue fever.

02] It is NOT Fair, that Africa should suffer such diseases, while the rest of the world if free of them, so for "Social Justice" reasons, the rest of the world needs to accept the burden.

03] Africa was given huge incentives and investments in creating a tourism industry, and declaring any African country as quarantined, prematurely, would unfairly impact the needed tourism industry. Since the Death toll so far is only a few thousand out of a total population of hundreds of millions, it would be premature to block travel now, and unduly have a long range financial impact of the African Tourism Industry.

04] If "The West" and the European descended high tech countries are not affected by Ebola, little to no research into treatments and vaccines will occur, so it is the President's moral Obligation to the People of Africa to insure than at least a few thousand Americans have the disease, to insure enough money will be spent on medical research.

05] The Airline Industry makes allot of money by special chartered flights to Hot Zones, at top risk rates, to bring aid personnel in and out, and they have lobbied the Obama Administration with vast campaign contributions to insure travel continues, for their Corporate Profits.

06] The American and other High Tech Country Pharmaceutical Companies stand to make obscene profits from the sales of new, experimental anti-viral treatments, IV Bag solutions, and vaccine dosages, due to a worldwide pandemic, and therefore have lobbied the Obama Administration with vast campaign contributions to insure travel continues, for their Corporate Profits.

07] Obama is a secret Muslim, who is an American Saboteur, and is aiding and abetting ISIS Jihadist in a campaign to kill off large portions of the America Public, by creating a logical reason for Ebola to be loose in the United States, as cover for clandestine terrorist operatives, who will be selectively infecting target people within the U.S. in order to "Cut the Head and Hands Off" of the American Counter ISIS effort. There will be many cases of naturally spread Ebola, and hidden among them, in the mass death chaos, will be the select assassinations

08] Obama has been shown secret, irrefutable Proof of Anthropomorphic Global Warming, which is about to become so extreme in climate variation as to wipe out all life on earth. America, with its Oil/Gasoline Based highly mobile society, is the world's greatest AGW threat, but also are the other G7 industrialized nations. The Ebola virus represents a particularly good opportunity to attack and kill of the majority of the populations of the AGW causing/guilty countries, and leave the Innocent and far more deserving people in 3rd world under developed countries largely untouched. Obama is work with high level Climate Scientists to distribute the plague to kill off the offenders, and make the "Mobile Lifestyle" feared, in order to save the majority of the Earth's human population from the certain universal death from Climate Change. His is killing a few bad people, to save the rest of the good people.

09] Obama and God(Allah) hates White People, and wants them to die. Since most of America is white, welcoming Ebola into the United States is a case of Divine Assisted Retribution.

10] Obama is just too stupid and incompetent to understand the risks he is forcing the nation to undergo.

11] Obama and the Democrats in Congress WANTED to limit the Travel to/from the Hot Zones, but the Republicans, seeing many opportunities for corporate profit for the wealthy, Blocked all attempts.

12] Obama wanted a reason to suspend the 2014 elections, which were likely to go against the Democrats, so he created a Pandemic to allow the declaration of Martial Law, and suspend Democracy... but his timing was a few weeks off.

13] Ebola is a genetically engineered disease, like AIDS, designed to specifically kill Black people, by racial hate filled white people, and the White Doctor at the head of the CDC is the chief operative of the shadow assassin squad using bio-warfare against Blacks worldwide. (Louis Farrakhan)

14] Obama cannot act, because God is keeping him dazed, so that America suffers divine retribution for its environmental sins against Mother Earth.

15] America has had a complete cure and vaccine against Ebola for several decades, and it has already been given, disguised as a measles vaccine, to most Americans. The Plague will never happen here, because native born Americans are now all immune. We want the plague to grow and destroy all of the native people of Africa so that we can take the land for Hunting Preserves.

16] The Illuminate are behind the entire Ebola outbreak, they have immunized themselves, and plan to kill off anyone not among their number.

17] The Doctors at the CDC are the product of new politically corrected, and dumbed-down medical education and training, and simply don't know enough to accurately assess the threat.

18] Ebola viruses are actually just the Earth-Space dimensional expression of vast trans-dimenstional demons, the largest and most ancient is Cthulhu. They plan to feed on our emotions of suffering. They are using telepathic mind control to prevent reasonable reaction. (I kid you not, this was actually from another forum! Worse, the poster want on and on, in a way that convinced most he was serious.)

"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" ("In his house at R'lyeh, dead Cthulhu waits dreaming.")

19] President Obama and the CDC are vigorously reacting to the Plague, and hugely concerned about it, but know that a common citizen panic will make the spread of the virus much worse, so they are giving the impression of inaction.

20] Obama doesn't care what happens to ordinary Americans. He and his family, and other wealthy people, will be safely sequestered, and his golf-game is simply more interesting.

21] It is a long planned, vast Leftie Conspiracy by heroic, altruistic, socialist doctors and genetic engineers, to destroy those countries clinging to the obsolete process of capitalism, and a glorious new world based on Authoritarian Socialist Central Planning will arise from the gore spattered streets after the Red Death sweeps away the old world.

22] Obama hates the West for its Sins of Colonialism, and is making U.S. pay for our crimes.

23] They're not worried about Ebola because a large chunk of comet is about to strike the earth and kill all life not already sequestered in hidden underground, nuclear powered, hardened bunker, colonies of select people.

24] Obama is the Anti-Christ and we are on the cusp of the end of days.

25] Obama sees the death of a few million Americans as an acceptable price for maintaining continuous contact with long denied and discriminated against Africa.
 
In 1985, our country was still relatively sane, instead of approaching peak insanity.
 
The 1918 Pandemic, aka Spanish Flu, resulting in twice as many dead in 6 months as we lost in four years of combat in WWII, .... Nothing to worry about!

The "Spanish Flu" or H1N1, used a person's immune system against themselves, so young, strong, healthy people, were far more likely to die of it, and children and the elderly survived.

1918 flu pandemic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Most influenza outbreaks disproportionately kill juvenile, elderly, or already weakened patients; in contrast the 1918 pandemic predominantly killed previously healthy young adults. Modern research, using virus taken from the bodies of frozen victims, has concluded that the virus kills through a cytokine storm (overreaction of the body's immune system). The strong immune reactions of young adults ravaged the body, whereas the weaker immune systems of children and middle-aged adults resulted in fewer deaths among those groups.
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The global mortality rate from the 1918/1919 pandemic is not known, but an estimated 10% to 20% of those who were infected died. With about a third of the world population infected, this case-fatality ratio means 3% to 6% of the entire global population died.[30] Influenza may have killed as many as 25 million people in its first 25 weeks. Older estimates say it killed 40–50 million people,[4] while current estimates say 50–100 million people worldwide were killed.
...


Short of a full ICBM nuclear exchange, a Pandemic is the Human Caused or Aided event most likely to result massive numbers of dead.

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Obama... asleep at the switch since 2008.


Here we have a BBC News story of the first known case of someone contracting Ebola while outside of Africa.

BBC News - Ebola outbreak: Nurse infected in Spain

Spanish Health Minister Ana Mato has confirmed that a nurse who treated two victims of Ebola in Madrid has tested positive for the disease.

The nurse is said to be the first person in the current outbreak known to have contracted Ebola outside Africa.

The woman was part of the team that treated Spanish priests Manuel Garcia Viejo and Miguel Pajares, who both died of the virus, officials say.

Some 3,400 people have died in the outbreak - mostly in West Africa.

Meanwhile US President Barack Obama has said the White House is considering extra screening at US airports for people arriving from the worst-affected countries in West Africa.

He said the chances for an Ebola outbreak in the US were extremely low, but vowed to step up the pressure on larger countries to help with efforts to contain the disease.

It comes as the US tries to limit the spread from its first confirmed case, a Liberian in Dallas.
High fever

The Spanish nurse is in a stable condition, Ms Mato said. She started to feel ill last week when she was on...



This is the first time known that any who has not traveled to Africa, has come down with Ebola.

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#26 Obama was partially brought up in a series of visits to third world countries, and has largely a 3rd world perspective. Consequently, he simply cannot understand how the high degree of mobility (Cars, Buses, Airlines, commuting inter-city) found in 1st world countries, leaves them MORE vulnerable, not less, despite advanced medical technology, to high mortality rate Pandemic Pathogens. In this case, Obama's early life travel experiences make him Blind to the Hazard.



I have to wonder, has Obama ever owned a private car and commuted daily to work?

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Ebola is loose in Dallas, and possibly in several other U.S. Cites, yet we still haven't restricted flight INTO the Hot Zones in Africa, or begun placing returning people through a 6 week isolation - observation period in a remote location.

Contagious Disease Surveillance Virus Awareness Ebola Map HealthMap

Statistics as of Oct 6, 2014:

Guinea: 1199 cases, 740 dead, Population 11.8M
Sierra Leone: 2437 cases, 623 dead, Population 6.1M
Senegal: 1 cases, 0 dead, Population 14.1 M
Liberia: 3834 cases, 2069 dead, Population 4.3M
Nigeria: 20 cases, 43 dead, Population 173.3M
DR Congo: 70 cases, 43 dead, Population 67.5M
United States: 1 Case, 0 dead, Population 316.1M

The "Plan" for dealing with the next Ebola major African Outbreak has been around and worked out for at least 30 years, and probably longer. The Military began doing exercises in how to airlift supply remote location isolation-observation portable camps as early as 1985, I know, I participated in them.

The concept was to greatly limit the number of people allowed to fly into the Hot Zones, to just those who were essential aid-worker, Doctor, Researcher, or Security personnel. When rotation time came around, and these people needed to be pulled back to the U.S. they would be sent to a remote patch of Alaskan Tundra, or Nevada Desert, to live in a series of spaced out camps along an Airlift supply runway, with fuel, electricity, sewer, water, shelters, clean cloths, medical supplies, and food all brought in and dropped in exchange zones, and pulled by cables and aircraft tugs across a buffer zone, to be unpacked and used by each camp.

The Camps would be phased, a new one starting each week, and after six weeks, those found clean, would be flown out to rejoin society. After several weeks fallow, an emptied camp would be thoroughly cleaned, and returned to service for a new weekly group.

That was "The PLAN".

We didn't do it!

WHY!?

Who has the Authority and Decides these things?

Clearly this is an issue controlled by the Executive Branch, the President, and his appointed representative, the head of the CDC.

The current head of the CDC is Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the New York City health commissioner, appointed by President Obama in May, 2009:

The CDC Director About CDC

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/health/policy/15cdc.html?_r=0

Like the Attorney General, the Head of the FCC, the Head of the FAA, the Head of the EPA, the Head of the FBI, and many other Cabinet Members, ....

Dr. Frieden serves at the request and forbearance of the President, but with the advice and consent of Congress.

Dr. Frieden has the authority and responsibility to set communicable disease isolation-quarantine protocols.

If the country and/or the President is unhappy with the actions of a cabinet member, it the duty of the President to request the resignation, and select a replacement.

The Buck Stops with the President Obama on this issue. Ultimately, President Obama is response for the advice and actions taken by his cabinet members and his Administration.

So this Thread is designed to be a list or catalog of the various theories and/or Rationales for why America, the CDC, and the Obama Administration did NOT follow through with the planned response.

So, the following pages will outline a series of possible rationales behind our abandoning the long held response plans to a new, major, Africa Ebola outbreak.

Some of these rationales will be weak, vague, and incomplete.

Some of these rationales will be offensive Conspiracy Theories, in the minds of some, but not all.

Some of these rationales will be the opinions of some segments of the scientific community as to the danger presented by the outbreak, and our ability to control the hazard, but many on this forum will not agree with the assessment of control envisioned.

All the theories I could find, will be presented in a very brief sketch, and the readers/posters are encouraged to discuss them, and add new items to the growing list of rationales.

The rationales are not presented in any kind of logical order or hierarchy of believability. The order was somewhat determined by google searches return results of theories explaining the President's actions.



The Question for Debate of the Thread:

What do you believe is the Rationale being used by President Obama and his closest cabinet level advisers on the issue of Ebola, for abandoning the long held plans for Travel Restrictions and Returning Personnel Isolation?
Obama is either stupid or evil. Couple this with his releasing EV - D68 disease vectors into the USA and evil wins wire to wire

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How does causing my innocent 6 year old grand daughter die of Ebola help those with Ebola in Africa?

How does asking a mature, responsible Aid Worker, returning from a hot zone, to stay 6 weeks in a well provisioned remote location shelter compare to a child vomiting blood and giving up the rest of her life?

What sort of Sick Person thinks that we should risk violently killing millions of children, so a few volunteer aid workers can avoid a few weeks inconvenience?

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The following is from a British Society for Immunolgoy Web Site on the Ebola Virus


- BSI Ebola - British Society for Immunology

BRITISH SOCIETY FOR IMMUNOLOGY ON THE EBOLA VIRUS
EBOLA AND THE IMMUNE SYSTEM
How did you wake up this morning? Did you wake up feeling rather unwell, no appetite, headache, sore throat and feverish? These are subsequent symptoms of the recent Ebolavirus attacking your immune system by eliminating crucial T-lymphocytes.

These T-lymphocytes are cells that circulate around our bodies and are responsible for finding cellular abnormalities and infections. These T-cells are also the same cells that HIV-1 attacks, but the Ebola virus does it in a far more aggressive manner. The incubation period of Ebola is about 21 days and one would have travelled to West Africa in the past month for these symptoms to be recognised as Ebola rather than Influenza. The more concerning fact is that you are now an infectious host; family, friends and anyone in close proximity to you are now in danger of contracting the virus.

Over the next few days one’s condition will dramatically deteriorate. You will be experiencing aches, abdominal pain, and critically intensive fever as well as vomiting and diarrhoea. Between two and seven days you will reach what is known as ‘crisis’ point; this is where your symptoms either recede or you begin experiencing convulsions of your immune system, or ‘Cytokine Storm’. Welcome to the terminal phase of Ebola known as haemorrhagic fever.
The Cytokine Storm works by introducing a torrent of inflammatory molecules into your circulatory system and sends your immune system into chaos. It begins by attacking all of your organs and tiny blood vessels begin to burst meaning you’re slowly bleeding to death. At this point you are at the peak of your infectiousness as the viral particles are exposed to find their next victim after pouring out of your body within blood.

While the symptoms of Ebola are similar in some way to that of Influenza one will see differences in how the virus is transmitted. It is introduced to humans through close contact with blood, secretions and other bodily fluids of infected animals. This subsequent contact with animals such as chimpanzees, gorillas, fruit bats, monkeys and porcupines will only help spread the infection.
Ebola will then spread throughout communities via human-human contact via broken skin, mucus membranes, blood, secretions and sexual intercourse. One of the main issues surrounding the epidemic is the tradition around burials; Africans have direct contact with the body of a deceased person and this plays a direct role in the transmission of Ebola.

Ebola is one of three members of the family of filoviruses (WHO, 2014) that can cause severe haemorrhagic fever that leads to mortality rates of around 50-90%. The Ebola glycoprotein (GP) mediates the recognition of the host cell thus drives fusion of the viral and host membranes, masking one’s self from immune ‘security guards’. The Ebola viral structure also offers an explanation as to why antibodies that neutralise the virus are sporadic. It is largely due to very few binding sites for antibodies to bind to, and subsequently provide the foundation for vaccines to be developed.

Glycoproteins are proteins that contain carbohydrate chains that are covalently attached to their polypeptide chain - this process is often referred to as glycosylation. The GP is the only resident of the Ebolavirus surface and it is their job to enter new host cells, offer protection against immune police and to maintain a level of viral stability when they are outside of host cells.

The viral structure contains two glycoprotein subunits that have two separate structural and functional roles. The first GP1 (Blue) is responsible for receptor engagement while the second GP2 (white) mediates fusion of viral and host membranes. In the image above one can see how sections of GP2 actually bind with GP1.

The crystal structure above predominantly shows how the GP is protected by a thick cloak of carbohydrate and leaves very few sites left exposed for...


The article is quite long and complex, and describes how Ebola is in many ways similar to the Spanish Flu of 1918.

Of particular note is the fact that the stronger your immune system, the more likely you are to die from Ebola.

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Obozo has no intention of isolating Liberia or any african country with the Ebola plague...he feels it would be "racist" to do so. And he won't close our southern border because he needs another 2 million illegals voting for Hillary in 2016. It wouldn't surprise me if there is an active strategy to bring Ebola here to teach us "cracker racists" we've not been forgiven for slavery.
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Here is a video with allot of interesting historic and symptom information:




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#27] The govt took power in creating Obamacare. It should of taken precautions against ebola. Obamacare won't be able to handle a widespread cases of ebola infections. Does that make the changes in Ebola Quarantine an extension to the Cloward-Piven Strategy? It will certainly drive up the cost of Obamacare by Trillions, and likely financially overwhelm the system. The goal of the Strategy is to force change by causing collapse of the system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy

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The following is an assessment of what my WIFE believes that Obama Believes about or what is motivating his reaction to Ebola.

Range is 0 through 10.
0 means there is no way that Obama believes this,
5+ means chances are good that Obama at least somewhat believes this,
10 meaning this is the fundamental thing that Obama believes or is motivating him on the issue.

Note, these are not what my WIFE thinks is happening, these are her assessment on what she thinks Obama believes or has motivated his actions.

00] 8
01] 7
02] 8
03] 6
04] 7
05] 5
06] 9
07] 1
08] 3
09] 3
10] 0
11] 6
12] 0
13] 1
14] 3
15] 0
16] 0
17] 6
18] 0
19] 5
20] 3
21] 1
22] 4
23] 0
24] 1
25] 4
26] 2
27] 5

This is a difficult "Quiz" to take.

During the process of asking about each in turn, it should be pointed out, that it was difficult for her to separate the answer of what she believes, vs. what she believes is motivating Obama.

Some of her answers, particularly at the beginning, may not be accurate, because of the confusion about her belief vs. what she believes Obama thinks.

A side note: I do not personally agree with my Wife's assessments on Obama's Rationales on most of the Options.

After many others have expressed their views, I will do so.

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Here is an article that poses, the Ebola problem will never be solved, because there isn't any profit in a solution, but there is profits in the disease continuing

The Political Economy of Ebola Jacobin

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The Political Economy of Ebola
by Leigh Phillips
Ebola is a problem that will not be solved, because it isn’t profitable to do so.

The Onion, as ever, is on point with its “coverage” of the worst recorded outbreak of Ebola, and the first in West Africa, infecting some 1,779 people and killing at least 961. “Experts: Ebola Vaccine At Least 50 White People Away,” read the cheeky headline of the July 31 news brief.

Our shorthand explanation is that if the people infected with Ebola were white, the problem would be solved. But the market’s role in both drug companies’ refusal to invest in research and the conditions on the ground created by neoliberal policies that exacerbate and even encourage outbreaks goes unmentioned.

Racism is certainly a factor. Jeremy Farrar, an infectious disease specialist and the head of the Wellcome Trust, one of the largest medical research charities in the world, told the Toronto Star: “Imagine if you take a region of Canada, America, Europe, and you had 450 people dying of a viral hemorrhagic fever. It would just be unacceptable — and it’s unacceptable in West Africa.”

He noted how an experimental Canadian-developed Ebola vaccine had been provided on an emergency use basis to ...

The articles raises some very interesting questions, and makes a number of valid points and observations.

The mere existence of the article shows how Ebola is now a Political Issue, and not just a Medical Issue.

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You ODS kooks have been whipped into a blind panic by your masters, who specialize in manipulating those with broken bullshit detectors. The term "Useful Idiots" would apply. (The origin of that term is often attributed to Lenin or Stalin, though there's no record of them actually using it.)

Most everyone sees that. It's a pity you can't. And I imagine you're frustrated about how you can't get anyone else to join your Useful Idiot club.
 
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