Carry your papers with you!

[WillowTree]

I am not enamored of the huge illegal wave, but you lump themn all together, **** you you ugly **** racist **** Dante..







**** yourself Dante.. you will enjoy it more.

If your dried up **** were the only option...I'd die a happy man ******* myself.

tsktsk tsk dantefante,, you uzz having u a meltdown..

 

[LuckyDan]

Some highlights of Mexico's immigration policies, from a 2006 San Bernadino Sun article:

Under Article 123 of the General Population Act, illegal immigration is an offense punishable by up to two years in prison and a fine of up to 5,000 pesos, or about $450. Typically, any crime with a punishment of a year or more is considered a felony.

Article 118 of the act says foreigners who are deported and then later attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be punished with up to 10 years in prison.

Under Article 73, local police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities when asked to help enforce the nation's immigration laws.

As set forth in several articles of the act, immigrants are admitted into Mexico according to their potential to "contribute to the national progress" and must have the income needed to support themselves.

Article 9 of the constitution says only citizens may assemble to "take part in the political affairs of the country." Under Article 33, noncitizens "may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country."

Mexico treats illegal immigrants in its midst harshly - San Bernardino County Sun

 

[bucs90]

long live la raza.

you make few distinctions when you speak of becoming a hispanic nation or state.

you are a racist ***** who forgets to cover her ass.


you lump in all hispanics when you let your guard down..when your righteous Tea Party anger gets a hold of your few senses.

people like you should drop dead. Immigrant bashing may be a time honored American tradition, but some of us Americans fight back for what is fair and right.

**** the illegals. I only wish I could put you on a deportation list with them

You accuse him of lumping all hispanics together...........while having a tendency to lump all Tea Party goers together. Hmmmm.

 

[WillowTree]

wow! Hispanics are a threat? Good thing you weren't in boston, new york, and chicago when those damned eye-talians with their language and ways were popping out children. Nobody voted on allowing them in either. Lots of anarchists, commies and fascist came with them.

i was quoting the article asswipe.. Now call me the c word some more.

yeah? When i call you names i can be quoting others too.

Stop hiding. Let your freak flag fly. Say what you really mean, you mean spirited *****.

oh golly ******* geee,, a real country with real borderS toto..

 

[WillowTree]

long live la raza.

you make few distinctions when you speak of becoming a hispanic nation or state.

you are a racist ***** who forgets to cover her ass.


you lump in all hispanics when you let your guard down..when your righteous Tea Party anger gets a hold of your few senses.

people like you should drop dead. Immigrant bashing may be a time honored American tradition, but some of us Americans fight back for what is fair and right.

**** the illegals. I only wish I could put you on a deportation list with them

You accuse him of lumping all hispanics together...........while having a tendency to lump all Tea Party goers together. Hmmmm.

you did notice the C word applied to me did you not??? I'm not a he..

 

[Dante]

All people, immigrant or US citizen, must carry their "papers". US citizens must have in their possession by state laws their state driver's license for purpose of identification. When a person cannot recieve a valid DL due to criminal record or driving suspensions, the state DMV issues an ID-only card, same as a DL, except it will read "ID ONLY" rather than "Class D Driver's License" etc. Absent a DL, all US citizens by state law must have these in possesion.

Thankfully, cops use logic and rarely arrest or charge anyone for not having an ID because the NCIC computer system can confirm a person's identity by providing name a date of birth to the dispatcher, and the online DMV records will confirm that persons identity. So, with no ID, if a cop asks name and date of birth, he can ID you and you can move on. Failing to provide any ID info at all can land you in the booking room under "John Doe" until you can confirm proper identity.

This process is necessary so people with outstanding warrants can be caught rather than them just refusing to provide any name or info.

So, lefties should stop whining about "papers", as all humans inside our borders, by already standing law, are required to have papers or identification on them at all times.

We already have a national ID of sorts, but you are incorrect. Americans are not required by law to carry their papers. The courts have ruled on this in numerous cases. but that doesn't stopped people like you who are advocates of fascism, or susceptible to fascism, from advocating a fascist policy time and time again

Not your papers, your state issued DL or ID card. That is a law in all 50 states, rarely enforced thanks to online DMV and NCIC capabilities. It's not a federal law, its a state law in all 50 states. Prior to everything being computerized, a cop wouldn't know if a person had a valid DL without it being present, and cops couldn't tell if a person was a fugitive without ID, so DMV's issued ID cards in the absence of a DL if a person was ineligible. Today, the online NCIC and DMV allows cops to run a name and DOB check to ID any citizen without an ID, so it's basically a law that is not really necessary, but still IS ON THE BOOKS in all 50 states.

I promise if you get pulled over, the cop will verify your identity if you don't have a DL or ID card on you. But you had to be issued one, as all people are, whether they know it or not, through their state ID by virtue of having a social security number. It's called a "customer number" in most states, so if you drive drunk without a valid DL, you have a number they can "suspend" for punishment so if you get caught again you can be subject to the Driving Under Suspension 2nd offense statute. A non-citizen won't be in this ID system, because they have no DL or no social security number, THUS the federal law requiring them to "have their papers" on them at all times.

I'm not advocating or criticizing this set of laws, I'm informing the lefties that every person, like it or not, is verified through some type of "papers", be it physical or electronic.

Not everyone who agrees to be verified agrees as a matter of law. This is about ID on demand. If I am not a suspect in some way, who I am is none of the state's business.

you are advocating we all become suspects

The courts have ruled on state laws that require an ID.

The limited issue resolved in Hiibel

CNN.com - Assessing the Supreme Court's ruling on giving ID to police - Jun 24, 2004

The issue in Hiibel was whether someone who had been lawfully subject to a Terry stop -- that is, someone as to whom the police did have reasonable suspicion -- can also be required to provide his name to the police officer who stopped him.

The justices answered yes. But they divided 5-4 on the issue.

All nine justices agreed that a person who is not behaving in a way that gives rise to an articulable suspicion of criminality may not be required to state his name or show identification. All nine justices also agreed that under the Court's prior precedents, the police could ask a person who has been subject to a Terry stop for his name.

The only disagreement that split the justices -- and the specific issue the case addressed -- was whether the person could be prosecuted for failing to answer that question.

The dissenters had precedent on their side

 

[Dante]

I am not enamored of the huge illegal wave, but you lump themn all together, **** you you ugly **** racist **** Dante..







**** yourself Dante.. you will enjoy it more.

If your dried up **** were the only option...I'd die a happy man ******* myself.

tsktsk tsk dantefante,, you uzz having u a meltdown..

why is it you weirdos always insist anyone who fights you with your own tactics is having a meltdown or something?

you really need to get a life you piece of shit anonymous **** coward.

 

[bucs90]

i was quoting the article asswipe.. Now call me the c word some more.

yeah? When i call you names i can be quoting others too.

Stop hiding. Let your freak flag fly. Say what you really mean, you mean spirited *****.

oh golly ******* geee,, a real country with real borderS toto..

Novel idea huh, the whole borders thing.

I'd like to ask an honest left winger a true question I'm pondering. They are claiming these illegals have a right to be here, that we have no right to kick them out, etc etc. They are saying it's their civil right to be here and stay, etc.

So, accepting that, I want to ask a liberal: Of the other 5.7 billion people in the world, who does NOT have the civil right to come here at will and live in this country? Really? Do all 6-7 billion people in the world have a civil right to live in the USA if they choose, with or without legal permission to be here? Or do only Hispanics, thus making it racist. Do all Swedes and Swiss also have that same civil right to live illegally in the USA? What about the untold thousands of illegal Russian immigrants in America. Oh yes, the media never focuses on them, but thousands of Russians have sought refuge here and are living here illegally, just like the Hispanics, but these white, blond haired Russians don't make such a good racial token for the left to play off of. So, do these Russians enjoy the same right to live here?

 

[Dante]

long live la raza.

you make few distinctions when you speak of becoming a hispanic nation or state.

you are a racist ***** who forgets to cover her ass.


you lump in all hispanics when you let your guard down..when your righteous Tea Party anger gets a hold of your few senses.

people like you should drop dead. Immigrant bashing may be a time honored American tradition, but some of us Americans fight back for what is fair and right.

**** the illegals. I only wish I could put you on a deportation list with them

You accuse him of lumping all hispanics together...........while having a tendency to lump all Tea Party goers together. Hmmmm.

are there more than one type of Tea Party in the same sense that there are more than one type of hispanics? not all hispanics are aliens. not all hispanic aliens are illegals.

but as far as I know, all Tea Party Lunatics and of the same status.

 

[Dante]

Novel idea huh, the whole borders thing.

I'd like to ask an honest left winger a true question I'm pondering. They are claiming these illegals have a right to be here, that we have no right to kick them out, etc etc. They are saying it's their civil right to be here and stay, etc.

So, accepting that, I want to ask a liberal: Of the other 5.7 billion people in the world, who does NOT have the civil right to come here at will and live in this country? Really? Do all 6-7 billion people in the world have a civil right to live in the USA if they choose, with or without legal permission to be here? Or do only Hispanics, thus making it racist. Do all Swedes and Swiss also have that same civil right to live illegally in the USA? What about the untold thousands of illegal Russian immigrants in America. Oh yes, the media never focuses on them, but thousands of Russians have sought refuge here and are living here illegally, just like the Hispanics, but these white, blond haired Russians don't make such a good racial token for the left to play off of. So, do these Russians enjoy the same right to live here?

Who is "claiming these illegals have a right to be here,"??????? You switched from leftist to liberal. What liberal politician or leader ever said illegals had a 'right' to be here?

 

[Dante]

Novel idea huh, the whole borders thing.

I'd like to ask an honest left winger a true question I'm pondering. They are claiming these illegals have a right to be here, that we have no right to kick them out, etc etc. They are saying it's their civil right to be here and stay, etc.

So, accepting that, I want to ask a liberal: Of the other 5.7 billion people in the world, who does NOT have the civil right to come here at will and live in this country? Really? Do all 6-7 billion people in the world have a civil right to live in the USA if they choose, with or without legal permission to be here? Or do only Hispanics, thus making it racist. Do all Swedes and Swiss also have that same civil right to live illegally in the USA? What about the untold thousands of illegal Russian immigrants in America. Oh yes, the media never focuses on them, but thousands of Russians have sought refuge here and are living here illegally, just like the Hispanics, but these white, blond haired Russians don't make such a good racial token for the left to play off of. So, do these Russians enjoy the same right to live here?

Who is "claiming these illegals have a right to be here,"??????? You switched from leftist to liberal. What liberal politician or leader ever said illegals had a 'right' to be here?

this should be good...

 

[WillowTree]

If your dried up **** were the only option...I'd die a happy man ******* myself.

tsktsk tsk dantefante,, you uzz having u a meltdown..

why is it you weirdos always insist anyone who fights you with your own tactics is having a meltdown or something?

you really need to get a life you piece of shit anonymous **** coward.

"melting melting melting rawhide"

 

[bucs90]

We already have a national ID of sorts, but you are incorrect. Americans are not required by law to carry their papers. The courts have ruled on this in numerous cases. but that doesn't stopped people like you who are advocates of fascism, or susceptible to fascism, from advocating a fascist policy time and time again

Not your papers, your state issued DL or ID card. That is a law in all 50 states, rarely enforced thanks to online DMV and NCIC capabilities. It's not a federal law, its a state law in all 50 states. Prior to everything being computerized, a cop wouldn't know if a person had a valid DL without it being present, and cops couldn't tell if a person was a fugitive without ID, so DMV's issued ID cards in the absence of a DL if a person was ineligible. Today, the online NCIC and DMV allows cops to run a name and DOB check to ID any citizen without an ID, so it's basically a law that is not really necessary, but still IS ON THE BOOKS in all 50 states.

I promise if you get pulled over, the cop will verify your identity if you don't have a DL or ID card on you. But you had to be issued one, as all people are, whether they know it or not, through their state ID by virtue of having a social security number. It's called a "customer number" in most states, so if you drive drunk without a valid DL, you have a number they can "suspend" for punishment so if you get caught again you can be subject to the Driving Under Suspension 2nd offense statute. A non-citizen won't be in this ID system, because they have no DL or no social security number, THUS the federal law requiring them to "have their papers" on them at all times.

I'm not advocating or criticizing this set of laws, I'm informing the lefties that every person, like it or not, is verified through some type of "papers", be it physical or electronic.

Not everyone who agrees to be verified agrees as a matter of law. This is about ID on demand. If I am not a suspect in some way, who I am is none of the state's business.

you are advocating we all become suspects

The courts have ruled on state laws that require an ID.

The limited issue resolved in Hiibel

CNN.com - Assessing the Supreme Court's ruling on giving ID to police - Jun 24, 2004

The issue in Hiibel was whether someone who had been lawfully subject to a Terry stop -- that is, someone as to whom the police did have reasonable suspicion -- can also be required to provide his name to the police officer who stopped him.

The justices answered yes. But they divided 5-4 on the issue.

All nine justices agreed that a person who is not behaving in a way that gives rise to an articulable suspicion of criminality may not be required to state his name or show identification. All nine justices also agreed that under the Court's prior precedents, the police could ask a person who has been subject to a Terry stop for his name.

The only disagreement that split the justices -- and the specific issue the case addressed -- was whether the person could be prosecuted for failing to answer that question.

The dissenters had precedent on their side

Oh, of course, you are 100% right. And that is EXACTLY how the Arizona law reads. No person's immigration status can be the reason for the stop. Arizona cops MUST have an unrelated violation to stop them for FIRST, then if probable cause exists pursue the immigration status.

I worked as a cop for 8 years and am very proud of my service. I 100% believed then, and still do, in a person's privacy. And yes, if you are just walking down the street, it's none of my damn business who you are or what you are doing until you violate a law. But then, identification IS mandatory. "Show me your papers" through DL, ID card, etc. But an immigrant would have neither, so a passport or "papers" is a must.

In my LEO practice, that split on whether a person could be prosecuted for not providing ID was an issue. The way most, if not all, places handle that is the person is "detained", not "arrested", and held at a holding facility, usually PD headquarters, until identification is confirmed. Paperwork up to that point uses John Doe as ID, but no charge is officially laid on them for failing to provide ID, just the process of confirming an ID is done.

But, anyway, ALL humans within our borders are required by law to have proof of ID or immigration papers on them for purposes of LEO identification. And Arizona's law forbids cops from checking this unless that person is stopped for an unrelated offense.

 

[Dante]

tsktsk tsk dantefante,, you uzz having u a meltdown..

why is it you weirdos always insist anyone who fights you with your own tactics is having a meltdown or something?

you really need to get a life you piece of shit anonymous **** coward.

"melting melting melting rawhide"

you really need to stop taking every thread off topic just to satisfy your lust for abuse.

 

[WillowTree]

yeah? When i call you names i can be quoting others too.

Stop hiding. Let your freak flag fly. Say what you really mean, you mean spirited *****.

oh golly ******* geee,, a real country with real borderS toto..

Novel idea huh, the whole borders thing.

I'd like to ask an honest left winger a true question I'm pondering. They are claiming these illegals have a right to be here, that we have no right to kick them out, etc etc. They are saying it's their civil right to be here and stay, etc.

So, accepting that, I want to ask a liberal: Of the other 5.7 billion people in the world, who does NOT have the civil right to come here at will and live in this country? Really? Do all 6-7 billion people in the world have a civil right to live in the USA if they choose, with or without legal permission to be here? Or do only Hispanics, thus making it racist. Do all Swedes and Swiss also have that same civil right to live illegally in the USA? What about the untold thousands of illegal Russian immigrants in America. Oh yes, the media never focuses on them, but thousands of Russians have sought refuge here and are living here illegally, just like the Hispanics, but these white, blond haired Russians don't make such a good racial token for the left to play off of. So, do these Russians enjoy the same right to live here?

yes sir, the anti american open borders crowd like dantefante do indeed think everyone has a right to be here..and you have a right to give them their sugar tits..

 

[WillowTree]

why is it you weirdos always insist anyone who fights you with your own tactics is having a meltdown or something?

you really need to get a life you piece of shit anonymous **** coward.

"melting melting melting rawhide"

you really need to stop taking every thread off topic just to satisfy your lust for abuse.

hey buddy abuse away,, everybody is enjoying your meltdown.. I know I am.

 

[bucs90]

Novel idea huh, the whole borders thing.

I'd like to ask an honest left winger a true question I'm pondering. They are claiming these illegals have a right to be here, that we have no right to kick them out, etc etc. They are saying it's their civil right to be here and stay, etc.

So, accepting that, I want to ask a liberal: Of the other 5.7 billion people in the world, who does NOT have the civil right to come here at will and live in this country? Really? Do all 6-7 billion people in the world have a civil right to live in the USA if they choose, with or without legal permission to be here? Or do only Hispanics, thus making it racist. Do all Swedes and Swiss also have that same civil right to live illegally in the USA? What about the untold thousands of illegal Russian immigrants in America. Oh yes, the media never focuses on them, but thousands of Russians have sought refuge here and are living here illegally, just like the Hispanics, but these white, blond haired Russians don't make such a good racial token for the left to play off of. So, do these Russians enjoy the same right to live here?

Who is "claiming these illegals have a right to be here,"??????? You switched from leftist to liberal. What liberal politician or leader ever said illegals had a 'right' to be here?

Well, lets start with every politician with a D beside their name, and many with an R. Every person employed at MSNBC. Any one of the tens of thousands who marched on May 1st. You aren't really gonna claim you've never seen someone on the left claim an illegal has a right to be here and that enforcement would violate their civil rights, are you?

SO, the question again: Of the other 6 billion people in the world, who does not have a right to come here illegally?

 

[bucs90]

oh golly ******* geee,, a real country with real borderS toto..

Novel idea huh, the whole borders thing.

I'd like to ask an honest left winger a true question I'm pondering. They are claiming these illegals have a right to be here, that we have no right to kick them out, etc etc. They are saying it's their civil right to be here and stay, etc.

So, accepting that, I want to ask a liberal: Of the other 5.7 billion people in the world, who does NOT have the civil right to come here at will and live in this country? Really? Do all 6-7 billion people in the world have a civil right to live in the USA if they choose, with or without legal permission to be here? Or do only Hispanics, thus making it racist. Do all Swedes and Swiss also have that same civil right to live illegally in the USA? What about the untold thousands of illegal Russian immigrants in America. Oh yes, the media never focuses on them, but thousands of Russians have sought refuge here and are living here illegally, just like the Hispanics, but these white, blond haired Russians don't make such a good racial token for the left to play off of. So, do these Russians enjoy the same right to live here?

yes sir, the anti american open borders crowd like dantefante do indeed think everyone has a right to be here..and you have a right to give them their sugar tits..

I was just wondering. Because if all these illegal Hispanic immigrants have a right to be here, so do about 500 million Chinese who would love to live here. A few million Russians. I can think of about 50 million people in Africa who would cherish a chance to live here. Lets see, a few million people from various Central American nations. Lots of Brazilians. Aussies. I had a British friend who got deported because he couldn't afford the legal process. Good guy too.

Maybe all those poor folks in Somalia. They have as much civil rights as Mexicans, right? Saddle up boys, bring 'em over. I'm sure some Iranians and Iraqis would welcome a chance to live here.

I'm just wondering who all has the civil right to be in America.

 

[SinisterSilence]

Lol

 

[teapartysamurai]

Oh gosh, oh golly gee. a real country with real borders toto..

Immigrants should be required to carry their papers on them at all times. So what? Citizens do not by law have to do so. Good luck to anybody who thinks they can reliably spot an illegal immigrant, from a legal one or a citizen, all the time.

As a citizen I have the right to walk the streets of my country without having to prove I'm a citizen. That right is more sacrosanct than any imagined health care right.

Oh really????????

Ohio Revised Code 2921.29 Failure to disclose personal information.

(A) No person who is in a public place shall refuse to disclose the person’s name, address, or date of birth, when requested by a law enforcement officer who reasonably suspects either of the following:

(1) The person is committing, has committed, or is about to commit a criminal offense.

(2) The person witnessed any of the following:

(a) An offense of violence that would constitute a felony under the laws of this state;

(b) A felony offense that causes or results in, or creates a substantial risk of, serious physical harm to another person or to property;

(c) Any attempt or conspiracy to commit, or complicity in committing, any offense identified in division (A)(2)(a) or (b) of this section;

(d) Any conduct reasonably indicating that any offense identified in division (A)(2)(a) or (b) of this section or any attempt, conspiracy, or complicity described in division (A)(2)(c) of this section has been, is being, or is about to be committed.

(B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of failure to disclose one’s personal information, a misdemeanor of the fourth degree.

(C) Nothing in this section requires a person to answer any questions beyond that person’s name, address, or date of birth. Nothing in this section authorizes a law enforcement officer to arrest a person for not providing any information beyond that person’s name, address, or date of birth or for refusing to describe the offense observed.

(D) It is not a violation of this section to refuse to answer a question that would reveal a person’s age or date of birth if age is an element of the crime that the person is suspected of committing.
Effective Date: 04-14-2006

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2921.29

Sounds to me like I have to identify myself to law enforcement.

When I was pulled over by police I needed my license, my registration, and proof of insurance.

When I registered to vote, I had to prove my residency.

When I registered my kids for school, I had to supply their birth certificates to prove they were my children and where they were born.

Sure sounds to me like we have to provide papers.