Can you get a Job as a Felon and be Morally Upright?

[SaxonJackson]

I have come across friends and family members who are felons... What kind of jobs can a felon get and can you be morally upright?

Growing up as a kid things were so black/ white. I viewed people with records as bad people... but now I see things no longer in black and white but shades of gray. I have met a lot of friends and family members, good people who have felonies.

For example I have a family member got charged with a couple D6 felonies for getting in fights and charged with felony battery. He didn't start the fights and tried to turn the other cheek, but when he got jumped he had to end the fight. One felony charge for beating up a father to bloody pulp who sexually abused him growing up. Another charge for getting jumped and punched at a party, he didn't start the fight and tried to get out of fight... but other person wouldn't let him... so he fought back and beat the other person up pretty good. ...he also has had a couple minors for using pot.

What kind of jobs can a felon get? Is he really that bad of a person? Can he get in trades? Go to college and work in business sector?

Not all felonies are equal. A rapist and a person who gets in a fight both can be felons, are they both equally bad?

Should you vote someone in to a morally upright group or nonprofit organization like Lions Club, Knights of Columbus, Kiwanis who is a felon? Since they are felon are they automatically not morally good people to join these clubs? Doesn't the nature of what the felony charge was have a huge impact of the decision? Can a person be a felon and still a morally very upright person? Maybe he got just very unlucky with the Felony charge?


Thoughts?

1) No human is without fault, and all have fallen short of perfection.
2) All humans can make mistakes; learn from them; and end up living productive lives.
3) An ex-felon can become every bit as moral as the pastor down the street, and perhaps even more so.

Unfortunately, ex-felons will always be stigmatized even when they change their ways, and many companies will hold their mistakes against them for the rest of their lives.

Personally, I wouldn't have a problem hiring a man who committed a felony in his youth as a result of alcohol or drug abuse and the offense was some sort of property crime. I wouldn't hire a pedophile or a serial rapist. If his crime was the taking of another life, I would have to consider the circumstances and the facts. First degree, premeditated murder? NO! Manslaughter as a result of a bar fight? Perhaps.

 

[Mashmont]

I can answer that question as a landlord. In my job, you do everything you can to get the best person, because if you make a mistake, you pay dearly. I had a guy with a felony conviction for fighting a few years before apply to rent a house of mine. When I looked on his FB I saw some profane stuff and said “Nope. This guy hasn’t changed enough to suit me”

It’s a tough call, I know, and you want to be compassionate, but I had a family to think about, and I couldn’t afford a mistake. I held out and held out until I got somebody I felt great about with good credit good job, and solid references. The two times I rented to somebody I “should” rent to, that technically passed the requirements, but whom I was uneasy about, I paid dearly.

 

[Grumblenuts]

He should look for small, seasonal, non-union shops doing masonry, landscaping, roofing, tree work, and the like. Then go into business for himself.

 

[petro]

90% of politicians are Felons who just haven't been caught yet.

 

[the watcher]

The real people destroying this country are the unindicted felons that will never be charged, and are rewarded for their fuckery by a corrupt landscape.

 

[PeterPilot]

I can answer that question as a landlord. In my job, you do everything you can to get the best person, because if you make a mistake, you pay dearly. I had a guy with a felony conviction for fighting a few years before apply to rent a house of mine. When I looked on his FB I saw some profane stuff and said “Nope. This guy hasn’t changed enough to suit me”

Just as keeping a dog in a cage all the time makes the dog worse, if you know what I mean.

Same thing with humans. Point is that incarceration rarely makes a human become a "better person". It usually makes them cruel and anti-social.

 

[Grumblenuts]

The real people destroying this country are the unindicted felons that will never be charged, and are rewarded for their fuckery by a corrupt landscape.

Here's a recent example. Got away with it far too long.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article294344729.html

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

I have come across friends and family members who are felons... What kind of jobs can a felon get and can you be morally upright?

Growing up as a kid things were so black/ white. I viewed people with records as bad people... but now I see things no longer in black and white but shades of gray. I have met a lot of friends and family members, good people who have felonies.

For example I have a family member got charged with a couple D6 felonies for getting in fights and charged with felony battery. He didn't start the fights and tried to turn the other cheek, but when he got jumped he had to end the fight. One felony charge for beating up a father to bloody pulp who sexually abused him growing up. Another charge for getting jumped and punched at a party, he didn't start the fight and tried to get out of fight... but other person wouldn't let him... so he fought back and beat the other person up pretty good. ...he also has had a couple minors for using pot.

What kind of jobs can a felon get? Is he really that bad of a person? Can he get in trades? Go to college and work in business sector?

Not all felonies are equal. A rapist and a person who gets in a fight both can be felons, are they both equally bad?

Should you vote someone in to a morally upright group or nonprofit organization like Lions Club, Knights of Columbus, Kiwanis who is a felon? Since they are felon are they automatically not morally good people to join these clubs? Doesn't the nature of what the felony charge was have a huge impact of the decision? Can a person be a felon and still a morally very upright person? Maybe he got just very unlucky with the Felony charge?


Thoughts?

If a person has committed a felony and served his/her/its time, then the claim is that that person has "paid his/her/its dues" to society and can go about their lives.
That's the claim. Reality is considerably different. If you were arrested for felony robbery, you aren't going to be hired by banks or any business that would need you to handle money. If you were convicted of a sex crime, especially with a minor, you would only be able to get some very low pay, probably janitorial job and definitely not in some location that involves kids. Wisely so. If you committed assault/battery, as long as it wasn't a consistently repetitive thing, I don't see a problem.
The problem is that when you go to prison, you're more apt to just learn to be more involved in crime after you've been released, because the ones you hang with for years are not only not role models but very bad examples of humanity.

 

[ScorpioRising007]

If a person has committed a felony and served his/her/its time, then the claim is that that person has "paid his/her/its dues" to society and can go about their lives.
That's the claim. Reality is considerably different. If you were arrested for felony robbery, you aren't going to be hired by banks or any business that would need you to handle money. If you were convicted of a sex crime, especially with a minor, you would only be able to get some very low pay, probably janitorial job and definitely not in some location that involves kids. Wisely so. If you committed assault/battery, as long as it wasn't a consistently repetitive thing, I don't see a problem.
The problem is that when you go to prison, you're more apt to just learn to be more involved in crime after you've been released, because the ones you hang with for years are not only not role models but very bad examples of humanity.

90% of politicians are Felons who just haven't been caught yet.

The problem is there is a lot Felons out there who just never got caught yet.

I have known people who got away with rape and never were caught. One guy I know got away with rape in high school and he is a very successful business owner today with no criminal record.

 

[JohnDB]

. Jacob was a con man guilty of theft
Moses was guilty of murder
Paul incited riots and killing Stephan.

Christianity practices forgiveness as a normal course of business...

So it is possible to become gainfully employed. Many guys in the skilled trades have convictions. Plumbers, masons, carpenters, electricians and etc. All depends upon their attitude. They either own their crimes or they don't is the usual tell of their future. If it's always someone else's fault....not a bright future... if it's their fault and they suffered natural consequences of their choices and actions they got a good chance.

 

[Grumblenuts]

We know billionaires can't remain morally upright. What are we willing to do about it? How about not obeying in advance? Not simply reacting primarily due to fear?

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