British single payer begins serious death panels bars overweight persons from surgery

[sealybobo]

We have death panels. Get sick without insurance and you're on it.

Hospitals treat everyone. The difference between the insuranced and uninsured is bankruptcy, not death.

Bullshit. There are cancer patients who don't get what they need. Yea if you have a heart attack a hospital will treat you just enough to save your life but don't walk in and tell them you have Leukemia.

 

[sealybobo]

We have death panels. Get sick without insurance and you're on it.

Hospitals treat everyone. The difference between the insuranced and uninsured is bankruptcy, not death.

Studies Link Cancer Patients' Survival Time To Insurance Status

Study:Uninsured Cancer Patients Twice as Likely to Die

 

[BulletProof]

We have death panels. Get sick without insurance and you're on it.

Hospitals treat everyone. The difference between the insuranced and uninsured is bankruptcy, not death.

Studies Link Cancer Patients' Survival Time To Insurance Status

Study:Uninsured Cancer Patients Twice as Likely to Die

That's an issue of uninsured people choosing not to make use of the medical system, rather than them being refused treatment for lack of insurance. It also might reflect the type of people who have and don't have insurance. People with insurance are higher class and take better care of themselves, without regard to medical treatment.

 

[Mac1958]

There's too much information out there for the Single Payer advocates to get what they want. Americans won't like what they see.

But politicians will style it as something that 'they had to do' because everything else they tried was so botched up.

Yup. Once something becomes politicized, it essentially goes FUBAR.
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[JimBowie1958]

There's too much information out there for the Single Payer advocates to get what they want. Americans won't like what they see.

But politicians will style it as something that 'they had to do' because everything else they tried was so botched up.

Yup. Once something becomes politicized, it essentially goes FUBAR.
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BMI was never intended for use as a gauge of individual fitness anyway. It was a statistical tool for trying to determine average sizes of people in a nation back in the 1800s when malnutrition was common.

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So they intend to refuse people medical care based on a centuries old outdated, seriously flawed measure that is absurdly inaccurate?

That is not medicine, that is an excuse to kill people.

 

[SeaGal]

We already have single payer in the US - it's called the VA. Gov't owned and run hospitals and staff. Seems there might be a problem with corruption there, or so I've heard. Medicare, Medicaid and the VA couldn't exist without the support of those who are privately insured.

IPAB is a 'death panel' by any definition. When and if activated it will indeed decide who deserves treatment and who does not. Already a provision of Obamacare will be forcing some doctors to drop, or 'creatively' treat, certain patients with diabetes. It's one thing for a government panel to refuse to pay for a procedure, another entirely to forbid the procedure regardless of ability to pay - a by product of rationing. If the government says no in a single payer scenario, where ya gonna run to?

 

[sealybobo]

We have death panels. Get sick without insurance and you're on it.

Hospitals treat everyone. The difference between the insuranced and uninsured is bankruptcy, not death.

Studies Link Cancer Patients' Survival Time To Insurance Status

Study:Uninsured Cancer Patients Twice as Likely to Die

That's an issue of uninsured people choosing not to make use of the medical system, rather than them being refused treatment for lack of insurance. It also might reflect the type of people who have and don't have insurance. People with insurance are higher class and take better care of themselves, without regard to medical treatment.

If poor people weren't worried about the money they'd go get checked out. IE Death panels for the uninsured. Just face it. Your system isn't perfect unless you have money, which I do.

I hope they repeal Obamacare because the dumb mother fuckers didn't show up in 2010 and 2016 and 2018 to vote Democratic. I pay more so they can have free insurance and they don't even show up to vote? You republicans are pussies if you don't repeal obamacare. You promised!!!