BP vs. ACORN

[saveliberty]

Back to the original thread point.

I take BP and give you a million to one odds. lol

 

[boedicca]

I'll wait to see what an objective investigation uncovers before deciding if I believe the U.S. should cancel any contracts with BP.

Before any such punishment is meted, however, cleaning the regulatory house is first in order.

 

[driveby]

PLEASE answer my question about why the republican party has to cheat to win elections?

It's a stupid question and a lie, Kerry on .....

 

[driveby]

I'm not hearing too many of the conservatives who demanded that ACORN lose its government contracts saying the same about BP. What's the problem?

ACORN is known for voter fraud. Are you saying there was sabotage at the oil well? That would certainly make sense to the conspiracy theorists who claim that Obama wants to put oil companies out of business.

And they give pretty good tax advice on running an underage prostitution ring

Nothing wrong with that, Zona said so.......

 

[saveliberty]

PLEASE answer my question about why the republican party has to cheat to win elections?

I'm going with:

A. It sounds like the, "when did you stop beating your spouse truthmatters", question.
B. Because the Democrats cheat more.
C. Most times they don't cheat.
D. All of the above.

You'd be more cleaver if you'd take that big L on your forehead off. Also, the kick me sign on your back.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Someone please link me to something acorn did illegal!

And while you people are working on that please tell me what ACORN did to lose its right to do business with the US government - all of you who agreed with that move -

that BP hasn't done, in simple terms of severity of wrongdoing.

 

[saveliberty]

It was illegal from the beginning. You can't set up a not for profit that supports a single political party. Everything else was just down hill from there.

 

[driveby]

I'm not hearing too many of the conservatives who demanded that ACORN lose its government contracts saying the same about BP. What's the problem?

Haven't read any other replies, so apologies if I echo anyone.

BP = Accident

ACORN = Systematic training a corrupt policy intended to defraud


No problem, here

Again, what exactly did ACorn do wrong again?

Acorn Illegal Activities - Memo To Nonprofits: Illegal Is Illegal - Page 2 - Baltimore Sun

 

[NYcarbineer]

It was illegal from the beginning. You can't set up a not for profit that supports a single political party. Everything else was just down hill from there.

Have you admitted that BP is a convicted felon yet? Did I miss that?

 

[NYcarbineer]

I'll wait to see what an objective investigation uncovers before deciding if I believe the U.S. should cancel any contracts with BP.

Before any such punishment is meted, however, cleaning the regulatory house is first in order.

BP has already been convicted, multiple times, in the past. We're looking for people to explain why they wanted ACORN defunded but not BP.

 

[txlonghorn]

Again, what exactly did ACorn do wrong again?

Do you honestly believe that registrars came up with the idea of multiply registering voters on their own??
Or other offices came up with the idea of masquerading peoples' true professions in order to qualify for a mortgage??

They were trained on how to do these things.
Trainers are trained by trainers back and up through the ranks.

ACORN upper offices weren't surprised by the behavior. They were surprised that they got caught.

Untrue. In most cases ACORN turned in the people that were turning in fraudulent registration forms.

Nice conspiracy theory you've got going there...

hmmm...let's see...was that before or after the news headlines.....

It would have REALLY been bad if they didn't do it after...and I am scratching my head on the use of "In most cases"... MOST? Not ALL?

I find it very ironic that Barack Obama was one of the trainers for ACORN...is that just coincidence? I have a hard time believing that.

And, then there's this big question... If ACORN was so innocent, why did they lose their funding by a vote of 83-7? If the sting had been just a young couple coming in for some assistance to buying a house and they were given information on how to elude taxes, would it have changed anything? A federally funded organization can't do stupid things, get caught doing those stupid things and then continue to receive the dollars...

It's about the benjamin's baby!!!

I have already posted my opinion on why ACORN got waxed and BP is still on the grid. It's apples to oranges. Obama didn't have a choice on the ACORN thing. He HAD to support the shut down...partly because he knew that those same people would just re-organize and open the doors under a new name. Who DIDN'T see that coming??

BP is HUGE...international... and not a partisan community organization. So it's really not a good comparison. You could start a new post and go this route though...

BP vs. GM

 

[Zona]

ACORN by any another name is still a poli-criminal organization engaged in fleecing the U.S. taxpayers.

Just sayin'.

Link or are you talking out of your ass? Again!

Really sayin.

 

[Zona]

Haven't read any other replies, so apologies if I echo anyone.

BP = Accident

ACORN = Systematic training a corrupt policy intended to defraud


No problem, here

Again, what exactly did ACorn do wrong again?

Acorn Illegal Activities - Memo To Nonprofits: Illegal Is Illegal - Page 2 - Baltimore Sun

Are you fucking serious...did you read your own link?



a. Hookers are frequently scantily clad and they wear a lot of makeup; they may refer to themselves as "dancers" or "escorts."

b. Identification of pimps is more challenging; for the most part, they do not indulge in a lot of stylin' anymore. The cat in the ACORN video - the fake pimp - looked as if he'd just stepped out of a 1970 Cadillac El Dorado, with some sort of cape and walking stick. In the late 1970s, a guy in my downtown apartment building looked like that; he lived in the penthouse. Most modern pimps aren't as flashy anymore. Nonetheless, your staffers should be instructed to regard the pimp as the bossy guy standing next to the hooker at the intake desk.

2. Prostitution is illegal in most states. Therefore, you should advise your intake workers to from refrain from giving all but certain kinds of advice to hookers and the pimps who may accompany them to your offices.


In other words, this is all about Okeefe. IT WAS FAKE. You really dont know this?

 

[Zona]

it was illegal from the beginning. You can't set up a not for profit that supports a single political party. Everything else was just down hill from there.

so thats a no to a link of them doing anything illegal? A link please. Hell a link to them supporting a single party even.

FUCKING ANY LINK TO THEM DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL.


(your going to find that no one will be able to give one. Its because republicans lie. They use the word Acorn as a gotcha word, and no one calls them. Well, I will.)

Fox just sucks and tells you what to say, but they leave you hanging with no factual backing.

 

[txlonghorn]

We're focusing on why people like you don't think BP should have lost their government contracts and any other business with the federal government when they've been convicted of multiple crimes over the years, not to mention what they're liable to be found guilty of for this mess,

and yet ACORN had to, for clearly much less cause. That is your position, isn't it?

I want to hear one clear concise intelligent post written to justify that double standard. Taking all factors into account, and doing so convincingly.

Lacking such an argument, we can safely dismiss the double standard as partisan bigotry.

hmmm...ok. First of all, I'm not one of those you have assumed that I am. If you're convicted of mishandling your government funding and/or misrepresenting your dealings with federal contracts, then yes...by all means...yank the hell out of them. So I guess I would have to say that I don't hold the position you assigned to me. Now..that being said, you have to ask yourself the question...in comparison to ACORN dealings and BP dealings...which would have the most direct effect on government operations?

Let's be honest....the accomplishments of ACORN for America's interests as opposed to those of BP's aren't anywhere near the same. So I don't think I agree with your accusation of a double standard. You can't hold a feather and a brick to the same standards. Just my opinion.

The same double standard would have to be applied to celebrities and average Joe's in the arena of criminal punishment...is that safe to say?

There are plenty of companies available who want to make money drilling for oil on US lands and waters. There are plenty of companies who want to do fuel business with the US.
BP was convicted of felonies worthy of massive fines for its wrongdoings. ACORN was not.

I hear ya...but I don't think you're recognizing that the Obama administration wasn't willing to let the ACORN storm rage too long. They knew it had to be silenced before the real improprieties surfaced. There were too many connections with BO...you do see that, right?

Is it fair? Maybe not...but ignoring the ACORN scandal, conviction of not, was not an option for Obama.

 

[txlonghorn]

it was illegal from the beginning. You can't set up a not for profit that supports a single political party. Everything else was just down hill from there.

so thats a no to a link of them doing anything illegal? A link please. Hell a link to them supporting a single party even.

FUCKING ANY LINK TO THEM DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL.


(your going to find that no one will be able to give one. Its because republicans lie. They use the word Acorn as a gotcha word, and no one calls them. Well, I will.)

Fox just sucks and tells you what to say, but they leave you hanging with no factual backing.

If it's just the republicans that are liars, the all those dems have a SHITLOAD of explaining to do as to why they cut their funding...is that fair?

 

[saveliberty]

It was illegal from the beginning. You can't set up a not for profit that supports a single political party. Everything else was just down hill from there.

Have you admitted that BP is a convicted felon yet? Did I miss that?

You are using terms very loosely. A corporation can't be a felon technically. Unless you figured out how to put one in prison for more than a year.

 

[txlonghorn]

It was illegal from the beginning. You can't set up a not for profit that supports a single political party. Everything else was just down hill from there.

Have you admitted that BP is a convicted felon yet? Did I miss that?

You are using terms very loosely. A corporation can't be a felon technically. Unless you figured out how to put one in prison for more than a year.

lol...you beat me to it...

 

[txlonghorn]

I guess it's settled then

 

[hortysir]

Again, what exactly did ACorn do wrong again?

Acorn Illegal Activities - Memo To Nonprofits: Illegal Is Illegal - Page 2 - Baltimore Sun

Are you fucking serious...did you read your own link?



a. Hookers are frequently scantily clad and they wear a lot of makeup; they may refer to themselves as "dancers" or "escorts."

b. Identification of pimps is more challenging; for the most part, they do not indulge in a lot of stylin' anymore. The cat in the ACORN video - the fake pimp - looked as if he'd just stepped out of a 1970 Cadillac El Dorado, with some sort of cape and walking stick. In the late 1970s, a guy in my downtown apartment building looked like that; he lived in the penthouse. Most modern pimps aren't as flashy anymore. Nonetheless, your staffers should be instructed to regard the pimp as the bossy guy standing next to the hooker at the intake desk.

2. Prostitution is illegal in most states. Therefore, you should advise your intake workers to from refrain from giving all but certain kinds of advice to hookers and the pimps who may accompany them to your offices.


In other words, this is all about Okeefe. IT WAS FAKE. You really dont know this?

"Are you fucking serious?"

Did you FINISH reading the linked article?

The following advice is not allowed:

a. How to obtain tax credits for a house of prostitution.

b. How to avoiding paying taxes on income derived from prostitution.

c. How to smuggle Central American minors into the country for the purposes of prostitution.