Boycott Israel

[Eloy]

The fact that people die in war is not, of itself, evidence of war crimes.

In this case it most certainly is indicative of Palestinian war crimes:
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad." - Hamas Charter, article 13

Directly targeting schools, hospitals, and civilian neighborhoods, as the Israelis routinely do, is forbidden in international law. Such collective punishment of vulnerable children, medical patients, and civilians is obscene and will remain as a stain on the Israelis forever.

Shortly before a cease-fire went into effect in Gaza on Tuesday morning, a crew from India’s NDTV captured rare footage of Islamist militants quietly preparing to fire a rocket at Israel from a densely populated area of the Palestinian territory.

Yes; Gaza is densely populated.

 

[SAYIT]

East European Ashkenazim and Jews from New York have no right to the land they have stolen from indigenous Arabs.

As of 2014, the last year in which the info is available, 75% of Israel's Jews are Sabra (born in Israel). Canada has a 21% immigrant population (2015), Germany 15% (2015) and in the US, 13% are foreign born.

The United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Kuwait had the highest number of immigrants as a proportion of their population in 2015 - at 88, 77 and 74 per cent respectively. Israel isn't even in the top 10.

 

[Eloy]

East European Ashkenazim and Jews from New York have no right to the land they have stolen from indigenous Arabs.

As of 2014, the last year in which the info is available, 75% of Israel's Jews are Sabra (born in Israel). Canada has a 21% immigrant population (2015), Germany 15% (2015) and in the US, 13% are foreign born.

The United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Kuwait had the highest number of immigrants as a proportion of their population in 2015 - at 88, 77 and 74 per cent respectively. Israel isn't even in the top 10.

I was speaking of the European Jews who immigrated to Palestine and set-up their state in the middle of the last century and the Jewish settlers currently in the Occupied Territories.

 

[SAYIT]

Directly targeting schools, hospitals, and civilian neighborhoods, as the Israelis routinely do, is forbidden in international law. Such collective punishment of vulnerable children, medical patients, and civilians is obscene and will remain as a stain on the Israelis forever.

Shortly before a cease-fire went into effect in Gaza on Tuesday morning, a crew from India’s NDTV captured rare footage of Islamist militants quietly preparing to fire a rocket at Israel from a densely populated area of the Palestinian territory.

Yes; Gaza is densely populated.

Which I suppose one such as you believe excuses Hamas's actions. That Indian TV crew didn't think so and got out of Dodge as fast as they could. They knew they were being set up to be Hamas cannon fodder.

Important note: When initiating conflict with a well-armed and well-trained neighbor, don't do it from heavily populated civilian areas (and definitely don't use civilian structures as arsenals and staging points!

 

[Eloy]

Directly targeting schools, hospitals, and civilian neighborhoods, as the Israelis routinely do, is forbidden in international law. Such collective punishment of vulnerable children, medical patients, and civilians is obscene and will remain as a stain on the Israelis forever.

Shortly before a cease-fire went into effect in Gaza on Tuesday morning, a crew from India’s NDTV captured rare footage of Islamist militants quietly preparing to fire a rocket at Israel from a densely populated area of the Palestinian territory.

Yes; Gaza is densely populated.

Which I suppose one such as you believe excuses Hamas's actions. That Indian TV crew didn't think so and got out of Dodge as fast as they could. They knew they were being set up to be Hamas cannon fodder.

Important note: When initiating conflict with a well-armed and well-trained neighbor, don't do it from heavily populated civilian areas!

I neither watch nor trust Indian TV.

 

[SAYIT]

Which I suppose one such as you believe excuses Hamas's actions. That Indian TV crew didn't think so and got out of Dodge as fast as they could. They knew they were being set up to be Hamas cannon fodder...

I neither watch nor trust Indian TV.

Does that mean you doubt Hamas intentionally initiates their attacks from (and stores their armaments in) heavily populated civilian areas? Do you have a lick of evidence that the NDTV report (and the film) were bogus? Has anyone - other than you - made such a claim? Do you also believe the NY Times would carry that story without confirming its validity? Are you crazy or just desperate?

Just because you choose not to believe something doesn't mean it isn't so.

 

[Phoenall]

So Israel kills a couple thousand people who had nothing to do with it.

That is a war crime.

The fact that people die in war is not, of itself, evidence of war crimes.

Directly targeting schools, hospitals, and civilian neighborhoods, as the Israelis routinely do, is forbidden in international law. Such collective punishment of vulnerable children, medical patients, and civilians is obscene and will remain as a stain on the Israelis forever.

Unless those Schools, Hospitals and civilian neighbourhoods have been turned into military instalations as then they lose their protected status and become military targets.
Such actions as using schools to house munitions while children are present, holding military briefings on hospital wards and firing illegal weapons from civilian areas are war crimes and are a massive stain on the arab muslims integrity and honour. Even the UN finds the arab muslims actions abhorrent and illegal and have censured them repeatedly.

 

[Eloy]

Which I suppose one such as you believe excuses Hamas's actions. That Indian TV crew didn't think so and got out of Dodge as fast as they could. They knew they were being set up to be Hamas cannon fodder...

I neither watch nor trust Indian TV.

Does that mean you doubt Hamas intentionally initiates their attacks from (and stores their armaments in) heavily populated civilian areas? Do you have a lick of evidence that the NDTV report (and the film) were bogus? Has anyone - other than you - made such a claim? Do you also believe the NY Times would carry that story without conforming its validity? Are you crazy or just desperate?

I do not trust The New York Times' coverage of Israel.
Journalists blast NY Times for pro-Israel bias and “grotesque” distortion of illegal occupation of Palestine

 

[Phoenall]

Don't these morons calling for the boycott of Israel understand that they are the ones causing the problems for the filastins. The filastins work on the farms producing the crops that are sold all over the world, and a boycott of Israel will cause them to be made unemployed and destitute

And before Israel they worked on their own farms producing the crops that were sold all over the world.

It doesn't look like Israel is doing them a big favor.

No they didn't you moron. They barely raised enough livestock to get by on, and built NOTHING but a shitty weapon storage facility they call a mosque in 1400 years of occupying Israeli lands.

The Jews took their land back and should have purged every one of those muzbot parasites back into the Sinai where they belong. I don't now why they don't destroy Mecca and take Medina back while they're the it.

The palescumians are trash arabs, even other arabs hate them. The only sort of person more malignant than a muzbot is a libturd.

East European Ashkenazim and Jews from New York have no right to the land they have stolen from indigenous Arabs.

How about the Jews counted in the Ottoman census that outnumber the arab muslims many times. Are they allowed to take back the lands stolen by illegal arab muslim migrants.
By the way Science proves that the Jews are from the M.E. as their DNA matches that of the ones left behind. So close they can even tell which tribe they came from originally.

 

[Phoenall]

Which I suppose one such as you believe excuses Hamas's actions. That Indian TV crew didn't think so and got out of Dodge as fast as they could. They knew they were being set up to be Hamas cannon fodder...

I neither watch nor trust Indian TV.

Does that mean you doubt Hamas intentionally initiates their attacks from (and stores their armaments in) heavily populated civilian areas? Do you have a lick of evidence that the NDTV report (and the film) were bogus? Has anyone - other than you - made such a claim? Do you also believe the NY Times would carry that story without conforming its validity? Are you crazy or just desperate?

I do not trust The New York Times' coverage of Israel.
Journalists blast NY Times for pro-Israel bias and “grotesque” distortion of illegal occupation of Palestine

Do you trust nazis-r-us then as that is all that is left

 

[Phoenall]

The fact that people die in war is not, of itself, evidence of war crimes.

In this case it most certainly is indicative of Palestinian war crimes:
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad." - Hamas Charter, article 13

Directly targeting schools, hospitals, and civilian neighborhoods, as the Israelis routinely do, is forbidden in international law. Such collective punishment of vulnerable children, medical patients, and civilians is obscene and will remain as a stain on the Israelis forever.

Shortly before a cease-fire went into effect in Gaza on Tuesday morning, a crew from India’s NDTV captured rare footage of Islamist militants quietly preparing to fire a rocket at Israel from a densely populated area of the Palestinian territory.

Yes; Gaza is densely populated.

And by mostly illegal immigrants that have no legal right to be there. Yet 50% is barren open land that should be used for firing the illegal weapons from, then the terrorists would be the only ones being killed

 

[Phoenall]

East European Ashkenazim and Jews from New York have no right to the land they have stolen from indigenous Arabs.

As of 2014, the last year in which the info is available, 75% of Israel's Jews are Sabra (born in Israel). Canada has a 21% immigrant population (2015), Germany 15% (2015) and in the US, 13% are foreign born.

The United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Kuwait had the highest number of immigrants as a proportion of their population in 2015 - at 88, 77 and 74 per cent respectively. Israel isn't even in the top 10.

I was speaking of the European Jews who immigrated to Palestine and set-up their state in the middle of the last century and the Jewish settlers currently in the Occupied Territories.

They returned to their homeland which was taken from them by force, it is the arab muslims that migrated there

 

[RoccoR]

Eloy, P F Tinmore, Shusha, et al,

This is one of those topics that is emotionally charged; and where a deeper understanding of the Customary and International Humanitarian Laws (IHL) is essential and required.

This is a topic that is often fueled when the discussion only addresses a single characteristic, and not the events as a whole, or a sequence of events leading to a conclusion.

So Israel kills a couple thousand people who had nothing to do with it.

That is a war crime.

The fact that people die in war is not, of itself, evidence of war crimes.

Directly targeting schools, hospitals, and civilian neighborhoods, as the Israelis routinely do, is forbidden in international law. Such collective punishment of vulnerable children, medical patients, and civilians is obscene and will remain as a stain on the Israelis forever.

(COMMENT)

There are a couple of thing that must be considered when discussion this topic:

• Loss of protection of civilian objects (schools, hospitals, civilian neighborhoods, etc) must be read together with the basic rule that only military objectives may be attacked. It follows that when a civilian object is used in such a way that it loses its civilian character and qualifies as a military objective, it is liable to attack.
• In this context, loss of protection of civilian objects is often referred to in terms of objects being “used for military purposes” or of objects being “used for military action."
​

In the case when special locations --- such as a place of worship, hospitals, residences/housing, or other dwellings, schools, and ICRC designated locals, are being used to make an effective contribution to military action, it loses it protective status as an civilian. In such cases --- the effective contribution to military action must be considered. The assessment of the total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, must be viewed in terms of what it offers as a definite military advantage.

When the Hostile Arab Palestinian "uses" assets normally considered protected against attack, as a screen to either thwart a counter attack or to purposely induce a mass casualty event, --- such special assets and locations lose their protection and become a legitimate military target with a definite military advantage in the total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization.

(OBSERVATION)

The HoAP in the conflict must, to the extent feasible, avoid locating military objectives within or near densely populated areas. In the same context, the HoAP in the conflict must, to the extent feasible, remove civilian persons and objects under its control from the vicinity of locations that would be considered a military objective by the Israeli Defense Force (IDF).

The IDF will (most probably), as any other armed force, consider breaching and tunneling ports and routes, supply routes, and weapons systems as legitimate targets and would place such protected civilian objects in proximity in grave jeopardy of damage or destruction. Just as, the IDF would likely consider Command , Control, Communications, Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance (C3ISR).

The HoAP may not use any of these types of legitimate targets in close proximity to a civilian it has chosen not to move under the Customary IHL.

Just as the IDF targeting of the HoAP opposing force (OPFOR) in which the total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization would result in a definite military advantage to the IDF is NOT a violation of Customary or IHL (not an violation of the Romes Statutes), so it is that the intentional use of these proximities by the HoAP OPFOR is a violation of Customary IHL and the Rome Statutes.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Eloy]

(COMMENT)

There are a couple of thing that must be considered when discussion this topic:

• Loss of protection of civilian objects (schools, hospitals, civilian neighborhoods, etc) must be read together with the basic rule that only military objectives may be attacked. It follows that when a civilian object is used in such a way that it loses its civilian character and qualifies as a military objective, it is liable to attack.
• In this context, loss of protection of civilian objects is often referred to in terms of objects being “used for military purposes” or of objects being “used for military action." ...​

​

Because of Israeli artillery, mortar or aerial missile fire which struck on or near the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) facilities being used as shelters for Palestinians, and as a result at least 44 civilians, including 10 UN staff, died. During the 2014 Israel-Gaza conflict, many Palestinians fled their homes after warnings by Israel or due to air strikes or fighting in the area. An estimated 290,000 people (15% of Gaza's population) took shelter in UNRWA schools.

To excuse this on the false claim that the United Nations schools were military targets is unacceptable. There are many such examples of Israeli war crimes.

 

[RoccoR]

Eloy, et al,

No one said that this was a military target.

To excuse this on the false claim that the United Nations schools were military targets is unacceptable. There are many such examples of Israeli war crimes.

(COMMENT)

This is twisting the words. The discussion was on the matter of the HoAP using these facilities to screen counterattacks, to intentionally draw fire on HoAP activities in the proximity of the protected facilities in such a way as to inflict collateral casualties, to create propaganda frenzies, incite further violence, and cause an unnecessary pause in the response by the Israelis.

The use of these practices by the HoAP is what is unacceptable.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

(COMMENT)

There are a couple of thing that must be considered when discussion this topic:

• Loss of protection of civilian objects (schools, hospitals, civilian neighborhoods, etc) must be read together with the basic rule that only military objectives may be attacked. It follows that when a civilian object is used in such a way that it loses its civilian character and qualifies as a military objective, it is liable to attack.
• In this context, loss of protection of civilian objects is often referred to in terms of objects being “used for military purposes” or of objects being “used for military action." ...​

​

Because of Israeli artillery, mortar or aerial missile fire which struck on or near the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) facilities being used as shelters for Palestinians, and as a result at least 44 civilians, including 10 UN staff, died. During the 2014 Israel-Gaza conflict, many Palestinians fled their homes after warnings by Israel or due to air strikes or fighting in the area. An estimated 290,000 people (15% of Gaza's population) took shelter in UNRWA schools.

To excuse this on the false claim that the United Nations schools were military targets is unacceptable. There are many such examples of Israeli war crimes.

And not one that has been proven or charges brought making your last sentence a LIE

It was proven by none other than the UN that the UNWRA school was not attacked only the missile launch site in its grounds, and that the dead were all killed running towards the site to protect it from being destroyed. Hamas released footage of the arab muslims doing just this.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Eloy, P F Tinmore, Shusha, et al,

This is one of those topics that is emotionally charged; and where a deeper understanding of the Customary and International Humanitarian Laws (IHL) is essential and required.

This is a topic that is often fueled when the discussion only addresses a single characteristic, and not the events as a whole, or a sequence of events leading to a conclusion.

So Israel kills a couple thousand people who had nothing to do with it.

That is a war crime.

The fact that people die in war is not, of itself, evidence of war crimes.

Directly targeting schools, hospitals, and civilian neighborhoods, as the Israelis routinely do, is forbidden in international law. Such collective punishment of vulnerable children, medical patients, and civilians is obscene and will remain as a stain on the Israelis forever.

(COMMENT)

There are a couple of thing that must be considered when discussion this topic:

• Loss of protection of civilian objects (schools, hospitals, civilian neighborhoods, etc) must be read together with the basic rule that only military objectives may be attacked. It follows that when a civilian object is used in such a way that it loses its civilian character and qualifies as a military objective, it is liable to attack.
• In this context, loss of protection of civilian objects is often referred to in terms of objects being “used for military purposes” or of objects being “used for military action."
​

In the case when special locations --- such as a place of worship, hospitals, residences/housing, or other dwellings, schools, and ICRC designated locals, are being used to make an effective contribution to military action, it loses it protective status as an civilian. In such cases --- the effective contribution to military action must be considered. The assessment of the total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, must be viewed in terms of what it offers as a definite military advantage.

When the Hostile Arab Palestinian "uses" assets normally considered protected against attack, as a screen to either thwart a counter attack or to purposely induce a mass casualty event, --- such special assets and locations lose their protection and become a legitimate military target with a definite military advantage in the total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization.

(OBSERVATION)

The HoAP in the conflict must, to the extent feasible, avoid locating military objectives within or near densely populated areas. In the same context, the HoAP in the conflict must, to the extent feasible, remove civilian persons and objects under its control from the vicinity of locations that would be considered a military objective by the Israeli Defense Force (IDF).

The IDF will (most probably), as any other armed force, consider breaching and tunneling ports and routes, supply routes, and weapons systems as legitimate targets and would place such protected civilian objects in proximity in grave jeopardy of damage or destruction. Just as, the IDF would likely consider Command , Control, Communications, Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance (C3ISR).

The HoAP may not use any of these types of legitimate targets in close proximity to a civilian it has chosen not to move under the Customary IHL.

Just as the IDF targeting of the HoAP opposing force (OPFOR) in which the total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization would result in a definite military advantage to the IDF is NOT a violation of Customary or IHL (not an violation of the Romes Statutes), so it is that the intentional use of these proximities by the HoAP OPFOR is a violation of Customary IHL and the Rome Statutes.

Most Respectfully,
R

Thousands of homes, businesses, schools, farms, fishing boats, etc. destroyed. Yet dead fighters count in the hundreds.

How does this add up. What was Israel targeting?

 

[Phoenall]

Eloy, P F Tinmore, Shusha, et al,

This is one of those topics that is emotionally charged; and where a deeper understanding of the Customary and International Humanitarian Laws (IHL) is essential and required.

This is a topic that is often fueled when the discussion only addresses a single characteristic, and not the events as a whole, or a sequence of events leading to a conclusion.

So Israel kills a couple thousand people who had nothing to do with it.

That is a war crime.

The fact that people die in war is not, of itself, evidence of war crimes.

Directly targeting schools, hospitals, and civilian neighborhoods, as the Israelis routinely do, is forbidden in international law. Such collective punishment of vulnerable children, medical patients, and civilians is obscene and will remain as a stain on the Israelis forever.

(COMMENT)

There are a couple of thing that must be considered when discussion this topic:

• Loss of protection of civilian objects (schools, hospitals, civilian neighborhoods, etc) must be read together with the basic rule that only military objectives may be attacked. It follows that when a civilian object is used in such a way that it loses its civilian character and qualifies as a military objective, it is liable to attack.
• In this context, loss of protection of civilian objects is often referred to in terms of objects being “used for military purposes” or of objects being “used for military action."
​

In the case when special locations --- such as a place of worship, hospitals, residences/housing, or other dwellings, schools, and ICRC designated locals, are being used to make an effective contribution to military action, it loses it protective status as an civilian. In such cases --- the effective contribution to military action must be considered. The assessment of the total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, must be viewed in terms of what it offers as a definite military advantage.

When the Hostile Arab Palestinian "uses" assets normally considered protected against attack, as a screen to either thwart a counter attack or to purposely induce a mass casualty event, --- such special assets and locations lose their protection and become a legitimate military target with a definite military advantage in the total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization.

(OBSERVATION)

The HoAP in the conflict must, to the extent feasible, avoid locating military objectives within or near densely populated areas. In the same context, the HoAP in the conflict must, to the extent feasible, remove civilian persons and objects under its control from the vicinity of locations that would be considered a military objective by the Israeli Defense Force (IDF).

The IDF will (most probably), as any other armed force, consider breaching and tunneling ports and routes, supply routes, and weapons systems as legitimate targets and would place such protected civilian objects in proximity in grave jeopardy of damage or destruction. Just as, the IDF would likely consider Command , Control, Communications, Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance (C3ISR).

The HoAP may not use any of these types of legitimate targets in close proximity to a civilian it has chosen not to move under the Customary IHL.

Just as the IDF targeting of the HoAP opposing force (OPFOR) in which the total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization would result in a definite military advantage to the IDF is NOT a violation of Customary or IHL (not an violation of the Romes Statutes), so it is that the intentional use of these proximities by the HoAP OPFOR is a violation of Customary IHL and the Rome Statutes.

Most Respectfully,
R

Thousands of homes, businesses, schools, farms, fishing boats, etc. destroyed. Yet dead fighters count in the hundreds.

How does this add up. What was Israel targeting?

The rocket launch sites, ammunition dumps, builfings used as military instalations. In fact everything that satellite photography could prove was being used in breach of IHL, Geneva conventions, UN charter and International laws. It it was used for war crimes, acts of war, violence against noncombatants and terrorism it was marked for destruction and details sent to the UN so they could see what was happening and why. This is why the UN never takes any action against Israel, they cover themselves to deeply with evidence proving they were within every law morons like you could throw around like confetti

 

[Shusha]

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Because of Israeli artillery, mortar or aerial missile fire which struck on or near the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) facilities being used as shelters for Palestinians, and as a result at least 44 civilians, including 10 UN staff, died. During the 2014 Israel-Gaza conflict, many Palestinians fled their homes after warnings by Israel or due to air strikes or fighting in the area. An estimated 290,000 people (15% of Gaza's population) took shelter in UNRWA schools.

To excuse this on the false claim that the United Nations schools were military targets is unacceptable. There are many such examples of Israeli war crimes.

,

I have found it useful to examine each of these incidents to determine the facts. As Rocco has already said, people tend to use these incidents in emotionally-charged conversations in order to demonize the one side and the entirety of the facts are often neglected.

We can't simply look at the fact that people died and cry "WAR CRIME!" and blame the evil Jews. We have to look at all the available facts. Such as:

Was the location, in fact, a military objective due to the actions of the Gazans? Did the Gazans fulfill their legal obligations to protect their own citizens? Were the people killed civilians or combatants? Did the Israeli forces make sound judgements when considering or carrying out an attack?

For example, one story floating around in conversations like this is an incident outside a school where, according to the story, a number of families, including children, were lined up for tea and cookies and were struck by an Israeli weapon and, if memory serves, there were about a dozen fatalities, about half children. At least that is the Palestinian narrative. Sounds pretty nasty, yes?

In fact, when this incident is investigated, it turns out that every single one of the dead was a male Hamas member between the ages of 14 and 40. What are the odds? In a random selection of families? Of course, it was not a random selection of families but group of Hamas operatives engaged with Israeli forces. Yet these are counted as "child civilians" in the list of dead.

This is why it is important to research, and not just spout off anti-Israel cliches.

 

[P F Tinmore]

​

Because of Israeli artillery, mortar or aerial missile fire which struck on or near the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) facilities being used as shelters for Palestinians, and as a result at least 44 civilians, including 10 UN staff, died. During the 2014 Israel-Gaza conflict, many Palestinians fled their homes after warnings by Israel or due to air strikes or fighting in the area. An estimated 290,000 people (15% of Gaza's population) took shelter in UNRWA schools.

To excuse this on the false claim that the United Nations schools were military targets is unacceptable. There are many such examples of Israeli war crimes.

,

I have found it useful to examine each of these incidents to determine the facts. As Rocco has already said, people tend to use these incidents in emotionally-charged conversations in order to demonize the one side and the entirety of the facts are often neglected.

We can't simply look at the fact that people died and cry "WAR CRIME!" and blame the evil Jews. We have to look at all the available facts. Such as:

Was the location, in fact, a military objective due to the actions of the Gazans? Did the Gazans fulfill their legal obligations to protect their own citizens? Were the people killed civilians or combatants? Did the Israeli forces make sound judgements when considering or carrying out an attack?

For example, one story floating around in conversations like this is an incident outside a school where, according to the story, a number of families, including children, were lined up for tea and cookies and were struck by an Israeli weapon and, if memory serves, there were about a dozen fatalities, about half children. At least that is the Palestinian narrative. Sounds pretty nasty, yes?

In fact, when this incident is investigated, it turns out that every single one of the dead was a male Hamas member between the ages of 14 and 40. What are the odds? In a random selection of families? Of course, it was not a random selection of families but group of Hamas operatives engaged with Israeli forces. Yet these are counted as "child civilians" in the list of dead.

This is why it is important to research, and not just spout off anti-Israel cliches.

Israel claims that all males between 14 and 40 are combatants even if they are shopkeepers or farmers. That is why their numbers are higher than everybody elses.

One time a rocket was fired 150 meters from a school and Israel hit the school.