Bowe Bergdahl to face general courts martial for desertion

[whitehall]

Despite leaked stories to the NY Times from Bergdahl's defense attorney indicating that he would face only a "special courts martial" with the probability of time served it seems the fat asses in the Pentagon finally caved in to pressure from the public and Veterans groups and Bergdahl will be tried by general courts martial and if convicted might face 20 years in prison. A conviction would offer some closure for the families of the heroes who lost their lives looking for a deserter. . Doesn't it fly in the face of Obama's ceremony in the Rose Garden with Bergdahl's parents? You have to wonder if the president is on the same page with normal Americans or if he understands the proud tradition of the U.S. Military or he is suffering from "dreams of his father" and words from his seriously disturbed Pastor and he really hates this Country.

 

[hortysir]

To hell with 20yrs. Firing squad is cheaper for the taxpayers

 

[Daryl Hunt]

He should have kept his big fat mouth shut. He purchased the 20 or more years.

 

[MarathonMike]

I don't know what is more disgusting, swapping a traitor for 5 Terrorists, or Obama's excuse for why he did it. Can you believe he played the "We don't leave anyone behind" card after he abandoned our men under attack at Benghazi? Why don't we ask the parents of Stevens, Smith, Woods and Doherty what they think of Obama's "no man left behind" remarks.

 

[whitehall]

What was the Army thinking when they promoted the alleged deserter twice while he was missing? Bergdahl was a PFC when he walked off his post and a year or so later a U.S. Army general went to Berghdal's home and presented them with his promotion papers while allegations swirled around that he was a deserter and several heroic Soldiers were KIA trying to find him. Didn't the Army investigate the situation?

 

[regent]

Bergdahl is no longer a deserter he is a political pawn. He should never have been taken into the service after being classified as unsuitable by the coast guard. It was an army screw-up because of their need for bodies.

 

[whitehall]

Bergdahl is no longer a deserter he is a political pawn. He should never have been taken into the service after being classified as unsuitable by the coast guard. It was an army screw-up because of their need for bodies.

Bergdahl got through Army boot camp and apparently exhibited enough ambition to be promoted to PFC. He walked off post and the Army tried to cover it up in spite of the heroes who risked their lives and died trying to find him. The liberal hypocrisy is stunning when combat Marine NCO's were hauled back to the US and court martialed and fined and reduced in rank for the crime of "pissing on corpses" while a Army PFC was promoted twice while he was alleged of desertion.

 

[regent]

Bergdahl is no longer a deserter he is a political pawn. He should never have been taken into the service after being classified as unsuitable by the coast guard. It was an army screw-up because of their need for bodies.

Bergdahl got through Army boot camp and apparently exhibited enough ambition to be promoted to PFC. He walked off post and the Army tried to cover it up in spite of the heroes who risked their lives and died trying to find him. The liberal hypocrisy is stunning when a hero combat Marine officer was hauled back to the US and charged with "pissing on corpses" while a freaking alleged Army deserter was promoted twice.

My point, the army screwed up, should not have accepted him. Pissing on corpses is not hero material either, wonder what the motive is behind those kinds of acts?

 

[blackhawk]

Honor won out over politics.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Bergdahl is no longer a deserter he is a political pawn. He should never have been taken into the service after being classified as unsuitable by the coast guard. It was an army screw-up because of their need for bodies.

Bergdahl got through Army boot camp and apparently exhibited enough ambition to be promoted to PFC. He walked off post and the Army tried to cover it up in spite of the heroes who risked their lives and died trying to find him. The liberal hypocrisy is stunning when a hero combat Marine officer was hauled back to the US and charged with "pissing on corpses" while a freaking alleged Army deserter was promoted twice.

My point, the army screwed up, should not have accepted him. Pissing on corpses is not hero material either, wonder what the motive is behind those kinds of acts?

First of all, the Coast Guard is the hardest service to get into. They reject hundreds each year. Not because they are bad but because they don't make the stringent requirements. The next service for difficulty is the Air Force. The Military was on the way to have him Dishonorably Discharged and time served until he started running his mouth. Now he is facing Desertion Under Fire which means at least 20 years.

 

[PredFan]

Obamas hero.

 

[whitehall]

The Military was willing to sweep Bargdahl under the rug and forget about him and the media wasn't too interested because it made Barry Hussein look out of touch and perhaps a bit anti-Military until Veterans groups and ordinary citizens applied pressure and a courageous General made the right decision.Other than Fox the media still isn't too interested. If Bergdahl is convicted heads should roll in the Army and the Pentagon for the politically motivated cover up and the lack of thorough investigation and even the deaths of the Soldiers who were ordered to look for him but it ain't likely.

 

[regent]

The military had a routine way to handle these cases. With this case now a political case,
that routine way will be dropped. The case has now become political, and the military can not stand up to the politicians, the media nor the public?
Bergdahl's defense will be military too and no way can or will that defense stand up to their superiors. So how the military routinely handles these cases will be changed to appease the politicians, the media and the public.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The military had a routine way to handle these cases. With this case now a political case,
that routine way will be dropped. The case has now become political, and the military can not stand up to the politicians, the media nor the public?
Bergdahl's defense will be military too and no way can or will that defense stand up to their superiors. So how the military routinely handles these cases will be changed to appease the politicians, the media and the public.

Once the Court Martial begins, the Politicians can just pound sand. Had Begie kept his mouth shut, he would have had a bad conduct discharge and time served. Probably kept it to a misdemeanor. But he had to go spouting off to embarrass everyone and now he's headed for a General Court Martial that is Felony if convicted. He's guilty as sin and should have kept his mouth shut. Now he's facing a minimum of 20 years, Dishonorable Discharge and a Felony. Bergie tried to play politics in a Military Court. Don't, you will lose.

 

[regent]

Is that how our military justice system works, keep your mouth shut and don't embarrass anybody or you face greater punishment than the original crime called for? Is that embarrassment thing written in the military code along with the penalty for embarrassing?
Maybe that's in the code of politics not in a code of justice? Maybe the military is embarrassing itself with this kind of nonsense?

 

[regent]

Bergdahl is no longer a deserter he is a political pawn. He should never have been taken into the service after being classified as unsuitable by the coast guard. It was an army screw-up because of their need for bodies.

Bergdahl got through Army boot camp and apparently exhibited enough ambition to be promoted to PFC. He walked off post and the Army tried to cover it up in spite of the heroes who risked their lives and died trying to find him. The liberal hypocrisy is stunning when a hero combat Marine officer was hauled back to the US and charged with "pissing on corpses" while a freaking alleged Army deserter was promoted twice.

My point, the army screwed up, should not have accepted him. Pissing on corpses is not hero material either, wonder what the motive is behind those kinds of acts?

First of all, the Coast Guard is the hardest service to get into. They reject hundreds each year. Not because they are bad but because they don't make the stringent requirements. The next service for difficulty is the Air Force. The Military was on the way to have him Dishonorably Discharged and time served until he started running his mouth. Now he is facing Desertion Under Fire which means at least 20 years.

So if a recruit has some kind of problem he should apply to the service that might accept these physical or mental problems?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Is that how our military justice system works, keep your mouth shut and don't embarrass anybody or you face greater punishment than the original crime called for? Is that embarrassment thing written in the military code along with the penalty for embarrassing?
Maybe that's in the code of politics not in a code of justice? Maybe the military is embarrassing itself with this kind of nonsense?

The only embarrassment is the way you are carrying on. If I had my choice, I would choose a Military Court over a Civilian Court every time. There is one similiarity though where the courts will consider a lesser charge in order to expidate the procedure. Bergi decided to not take it now he's having to go the whole Military Court System. He's toast.

 

[shadow355]

Army deserter Bergdahl said 'leadership failure' caused him to leave

US Army :
General Order # 1

"I will guard everything within the limits of my post adn quit my post only when properly relieved."

If Mr.Bergdahl is only facing two charges, then in my belief he is getting off easy.

Sergeant Bergdahl was on guard duty, manning a post while his fellow Soldiers relaxed, slept and did other things. The safety of his fellow Soldiers was on his shoulders, his responsibility. let me say this again - the SAFETY OF HIS FELLOW SOLDEIRS was on his shoulders

As a NCO ( Sergeant - Non-Commissioned Officer ) he should have known his severe and gross wrongdoing when he left his post.

General Milley, if anyone has seen him - especially during the past Ft.Hood Shooting, and a mna whom is "Special Forces Qualified" is a hard man, and Sergeant Bergdahl will get no sympathy from him.

I rest - I go to sleep, I expect those on guard duty to perform their job. If they don't, I "get my neck slit" so to speak.

A guards job is to provide safety and security, and to forwarn in the event of a perimerter breech, and to raise the alarm during a tragedy or emergency. They are the eyes and ears when everyone is at rest or sleeping. Guard Duty IS SERIOUS BUSINESS, lives can be damaged or lost. And least - millions of dollars in property can become damaged or destroyed.

Bowe Bergdahl destroyed trust and confidence, and permanently obliterated his image of a leader and Non Commissioned Officer when he abandoned his post.

Then he goes public and states why he abandoned his post - to go look for someone to tell, ** WHEN HE HAD access to the services of the Army Inspector Generals Office **.

I believe he intentionally abandoned his post. After that, I do not know what his intentions were......or what he was thinking.

Bergdahl failed his country, his fellow Soldiers and the US Army.


Shadow 355 ( Prior Service - US Army )

 

[shadow355]

Is that how our military justice system works, keep your mouth shut and don't embarrass anybody or you face greater punishment than the original crime called for? Is that embarrassment thing written in the military code along with the penalty for embarrassing?
Maybe that's in the code of politics not in a code of justice? Maybe the military is embarrassing itself with this kind of nonsense?

The only embarrassment is the way you are carrying on. If I had my choice, I would choose a Military Court over a Civilian Court every time. There is one similiarity though where the courts will consider a lesser charge in order to expidate the procedure. Bergi decided to not take it now he's having to go the whole Military Court System. He's toast.

Military Courts can be biased and prejudiced, just as much - if not more than civilian courts. Military courts are unforgiving, and the law regarding Military Court conduct is much different than a Civilian Court, as is the criminal penalities.

The Military Jury is hard and sternful, versus a Civilian Jury that may or may not have an open mind - if there is not alot of press on the case.

A jury of Military Personnel, versus a Jury of Civilian personnel - the mentality and frame of mind is much differrent also. The frame of mind and mentality is enough to scare the mortal fire and brimstone out of a 18 or 19 year old Military person.

An invisible noose always hangs inside a Military court on the accused - right or wrong.

An accused Military person may be guilty, then they may be innocent due to personal indifferences with the chain of command & other leaders, to cover up or conceal another person, to lead the truth away from real events and guilty persons, to save Military career(s).

I worked a staff job in Korea, and my boss - a full bird Colonel declined to sit on every court martial he was supposed to sit on ( I think I took him too two ) ; because his theory is a Soldier ought to "Cook" for their crimes.

Some people have an open mind, and some do not.

The story is either true - partially true - or false.

The guilty should pay, while the innocent receive justice. Innocent people should not be rail roaded, intimidated or harassed. Nor coerced into making false statements.

Shadow 355

 

[shadow355]

The case has now become political, and the military can not stand up to the politicians, the media nor the public?
.

You either perform dependable security, or you do not.

People are supposed to say = "I want Sergeant Smith on Guard Duty tonight". - "I want Sergeant Smith to drive me to Camp Acme." - "I want Sergeant Smith to do the data entry into the computer." - "I want Sergeant Smith to repair the copier." - "I want Sergeant Smith with me on the patrol."

People are suppossed to ask those whom they trust and depend on for their services. Those whom depend and rely on others, will ask for their services and company......Or maybe I am wrong and the Military taught me different.

Being dependable - being reliable and being marketable. Being on time, being accurate and being forthright.

It pays.......or may pay off in the end.

Sometimes a person does get that unseen or hidden pat on the back, or imaganary handshake, the receiving person just does not know it.


Shadow 355