Blowing Up Darwin

[Woodznutz]

Evolution factually came to the rescue - e.g. today's birds are the result. And e.g. crocodiles and sharks got smaller.

God wasn't going to make it easy for us.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So, you must have noticed that what is nearly universally believed about the event doesn't comport with the actual story.

I'm not going to make your points for you, Mr. Vague. Your myth isn't going to wash, no matter how much you equivocate and say nothing, with great verbosity.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

How likely?

No idea. But, considering how quickly life formed here, it seems likely to have formed elsewhere in the 13.6 billion year history of the universe of which we speak.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

In verses that say the sun and moon were "stopped" in the sky.

So, how do you know those people did not experience that?

 

[Hollie]

The belief that the universe was designed i.e. ID was the norm for scientists until quite recently.

Nonsense. Supernatural design was a long abandoned artifact of the the Dark Ages.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

No idea. But, considering how quickly life formed here, it seems likely to have formed elsewhere in the 13.6 billion year history of the universe of which we speak.

So no idea, so it could be 0% thanks.

 

[Robert W]

Earth, unless life formed earlier than that on another planetary body somewhere. Which I find likely.

Hard to say.

Describe the earth you believe created life? I can supply examples but I hope you know examples already.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Nonsense. Supernatural design was a long abandoned artifact of the the Dark Ages.

It was? can you cite any sources for this claim?

 

[Robert W]

Nonsense. Supernatural design was a long abandoned artifact of the the Dark Ages.

What is the time scale please? Give years that you claim that was the design? What do you mean by dark ages?

 

[Robert W]

So, how do you know those people did not experience that?

In General science in 1952, my high school teacher brought up the history of the sun standing still. He referenced we students to a book about that very topic.

 

[Hollie]

It was? can you cite any sources for this claim?

With the waning influence of the Church, the threat of retribution and punishment for proposing such a thing as a the heloicentric model was lifted and science could proceed, you can find a timeframe on your own for the Dark Ages.


Cite a source for you claim that “The belief that the universe was designed i.e. ID was the norm for scientists until quite recently.”.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

In General science in 1952, my high school teacher brought up the history of the sun standing still. He referenced we students to a book about that very topic.

You'll hear people claim "but the earth goes around the sun, we now know that" and other pop-science claims. In actuality a small planet and a large star actually each orbit a point, the barycenter. These are the people who claim to "understand" science too, what they term "understanding" is usually little more that rote learning or from watching pop science TV.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

With the waning influence of the Church, the threat of retribution and punishment for proposing such a thing as a the heloicentric model was lifted and science could proceed, you can find a timeframe on your own for the Dark Ages.

But you said "Supernatural design was a long abandoned artifact of the the Dark Ages" that's not a statement about heliocentrism, so do you not have a source for your claim?

Cite a source for you claim that “The belief that the universe was designed i.e. ID was the norm for scientists until quite recently.”.

Yes

 

[Hollie]

Where in the timeline did Russell say he believes in the existence of a "higher being"? I must have missed that part. He stated clearly at the beginning that he is an agnostic - listen, I've just it positioned at that point:




Not if you learned something it isn't and you've just learned that Russell was an agnostic.

The hyper-religious often sidestep to “philosophical “ arguments in their defense of ID’iot creationerism because magic and supernaturalism is not of science. Philosophy is as useful as tarot card reading when introduced into the realm of science. It produces nothing of any real utility for investigating the natural world and ultimately, because it is a philosophical argument, has no requirement to be true or factual

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The hyper-religious often sidestep to “philosophical “ arguments in their defense of ID’iot creationerism because magic and supernaturalism is not of science. Philosophy is as useful as tarot card reading when introduced into the realm of science. It produces nothing of any real utility for investigating the natural world and ultimately, because it is a philosophical argument, has no requirement to be true or factual

You were unaware I see that physics used to be called natural philosophy.

Physics rests atop metaphysics and metaphysics rests atop philosophy. The very claim "science can explain everything" is a philosophical statement not a scientific one.

All scientific theories, explanations predefine assumptions, axioms, things just assumed to be true.

The naive rejection of philosophy is new, very new really and espoused by the likes of Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss both of whom are militant atheists, these men believe in scientism as you seem to.

 

[Robert W]

You'll hear people claims "but the earth goes around the sun, we now know that" and other pop-science claims. In actuality a small planet and a large star actually each orbit a point, the barycenter. These are the people who claim to "understand" science too, what they term "understanding" is usually little more that rote learning or from watching pop science TV.

That is true just to affirm your remarks. Seldom will you read that the Sun has been scientifically clocked at a speed of about: The Sun travels through space at a speed of approximately 200 kilometers per second (around 448,000 miles per hour) as it orbits the center of the Milky Way galaxy; this means our solar system is moving at this speed as well.
A second estimation: How fast do we have to move to make it around the Milky Way in one galactic year? It's a huge circle, and the speed with which the Sun has to move is an astounding 483,000 miles per hour (792,000 km/hr)! The Earth, anchored to the Sun by gravity, follows along at the same fantastic speed.

So Earth moves around the Sun so it moves faster than the Sun moves.

How fast are we moving through space in mph?


67,000 mph

In addition to this daily rotation, Earth orbits the Sun at an average speed of 67,000 mph, or 18.5 miles a second. Perhaps that seems a bit sluggish — after all, Mars Pathfinder journeyed to Mars at nearly 75,000 miles per hour. Buckle your seat belts, friends

 

[Hollie]

But you said "Supernatural design was a long abandoned artifact of the the Dark Ages" that's not a statement about heliocentrism, so do you not have a source for your claim?

Yes

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A cowardly sidestep. Your claim was that “The belief that the universe was designed i.e. ID was the norm for scientists until quite recently.”.

What you cut and pasted was an undated, unsourced, snippet that does nothing to support your claim.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

That is true just to affirm your remarks. Seldom will you read that the Sun has been scientifically clocked at a speed of about: The Sun travels through space at a speed of approximately 200 kilometers per second (around 448,000 miles per hour) as it orbits the center of the Milky Way galaxy; this means our solar system is moving at this speed as well.
A second estimation: How fast do we have to move to make it around the Milky Way in one galactic year? It's a huge circle, and the speed with which the Sun has to move is an astounding 483,000 miles per hour (792,000 km/hr)! The Earth, anchored to the Sun by gravity, follows along at the same fantastic speed.

So Earth moves around the Sun so it moves faster than the Sun moves.

How fast are we moving through space in mph?


67,000 mph

In addition to this daily rotation, Earth orbits the Sun at an average speed of 67,000 mph, or 18.5 miles a second. Perhaps that seems a bit sluggish — after all, Mars Pathfinder journeyed to Mars at nearly 75,000 miles per hour. Buckle your seat belts, friends

Yes, well said, modern pop science simplifies stuff so much sometimes that it hides some deep and profound truths.

 

[Robert W]

because magic and supernaturalism is not of science.

Magic is actually learned. It has nothing to do with science. Magic does not strive to explain. Science does strive to explain. We have several posters who hate to explain. But they love to pretend they do.

Take for instance this woman who is a super fast clothing changer.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

A cowardly sidestep. Your claim was that “The belief that the universe was designed i.e. ID was the norm for scientists until quite recently.”.

What you cut and pasted was an undated, unsourced, snippet that does nothing to support your claim.

It is a source, in the sense you too can visit it, it does not come simply from me but others, it's not just my opinion but the opinion of others.

Just do this, type this text into Google's search engine "did scientists used to believe the universe was designed"

You can dispute the source, even reject it out of hand and I really don't care, but it is a source and that's what I was asked to provide.