Black Volunteers For Trump

[NYcarbineer]

Donald Trump is evidently expanding his base of support by making inroads with the African American community. Just listen to the enthusiasm this young volunteer has for the Trump campaign.

I thought a whole group of Black Reverend's endorsed The Trump also?

Was it this guy?

 

[Missourian]

Interesting. I'm getting a better handle on this. I do think there are many (I don't know the percentage) who are expecting him to stay on a conservative course, which is nothing more than wishful thinking. They'd be in for some serious disappointments if he won.
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I may be wrong about this, but I truly believe very little in the political spectrum that we argue about is firmly held belief.

How many times have we seen one side be firmly against something that just four years before, when their guy wanted it, they were rabidly in favor of...and vice versa.

Here's an example. The Dems were doves when Bush was in charge. Remember all that hubbub about the evils of nation building and deposing Saddam? But when their guy drew a red line that when crossed meant getting involved in Syria's civil war...suddenly they were fiercely arguing for it. And many Republicans were just as fiercely lobbying against it...not because they didn't want to see Assad deposed, but only because it made Obama look bad.

Securing the border and strictly limiting a path to citizenship for illegal aliens is different. Republicans, not Democrats, torpedoed Bush's push for amnesty based immigration reform. I think it is important enough for most to back off some less firmly held beliefs, like living wages for example.

Holy shit, you nearly made me fall out of my chair.

This is an issue that has fascinated me for a LONG time. How much of this political rhetoric is real, and how much of it is nothing more than political positioning? And I mean from BOTH sides. I often feel like it's all a big game, just for fun, and no one told me. The intellectual dishonesty from partisans is so freakin' obvious.

If Trump were elected (holy crap) but was able to make real deals that could satisfy both parties and unclog the toilet, I can see that attraction. What we're getting from everyone else is some notion that they'll somehow be able to maul the other side into complete and permanent legislative & ideological capitulation.
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Oh, it's a game, but not IMO just for fun. Not following through on his red line threat weakened Obama. And that's good for Republicans. And the attacks on Bush over Iraq weakened him, and that was good for Democrats. And anytime one side can deny the other a win, that's also beneficial. So, it's "serious business"...with radio, television, 24/7 news channels, the internet and social media broadcasting the frontline battle coverage in real time, both sides have learned the importance of stymieing any progress that might benefit the enemy in any way.

Over the years we've gotten pretty damn good at destroying each other. Carter was destroyed. Reagan had Iran/Contra...but overcame it well enough. Clinton was impeached...he came out more bruised than Reagan, but remarkably well considering. Bush was pretty well destroyed, and Obama isn't fairing too well either. That's my self-aware lifetime, but I understand Ford and Nixon didn't have a cakewalk either.

 

[Boss]

Interesting. I'm getting a better handle on this. I do think there are many (I don't know the percentage) who are expecting him to stay on a conservative course, which is nothing more than wishful thinking. They'd be in for some serious disappointments if he won.

Only if you are an ideological purist. There are some of those among Conservative thinkers. As I mentioned, libertarians, neocons and social conservatives are ideologues who camp out with Conservatives because they base their ideological beliefs on philosophical conservatism. However, Trump is not an ideologue but is a Conservative thinker or philosophical Conservative.

He will not ever please the ideologues. On either side. And he may actually cause more consternation among right-wing ideologues. For instance... and this comes from a personal inside source... His VP pick is likely going to be Scott Brown. Not a "favorite" of the Tea Party who feels like he sold them out. But Brown is just the sort of guy that fits with Trump and can 'work deals' with both sides to get things done.

 

[Mac1958]

Interesting. I'm getting a better handle on this. I do think there are many (I don't know the percentage) who are expecting him to stay on a conservative course, which is nothing more than wishful thinking. They'd be in for some serious disappointments if he won.

Only if you are an ideological purist. There are some of those among Conservative thinkers. As I mentioned, libertarians, neocons and social conservatives are ideologues who camp out with Conservatives because they base their ideological beliefs on philosophical conservatism. However, Trump is not an ideologue but is a Conservative thinker or philosophical Conservative.

He will not ever please the ideologues. On either side. And he may actually cause more consternation among right-wing ideologues. For instance... and this comes from a personal inside source... His VP pick is likely going to be Scott Brown. Not a "favorite" of the Tea Party who feels like he sold them out. But Brown is just the sort of guy that fits with Trump and can 'work deals' with both sides to get things done.

Good stuff. It would be fascinating to see how the purists reacted if did what he's promising - cut real deals - and they didn't get 100% (or even 75%) of what they want.
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[Boss]

Good stuff. It would be fascinating to see how the purists reacted if did what he's promising - cut real deals - and they didn't get 100% (or even 75%) of what they want.

There are a lot of things that can be worked out where both sides get essentially what they want.. or at least, the main issue addressed. It might not be "ideal" but it's better than not getting anything or nothing getting done.

We've GOT to start balancing our budget. Now, I don't see how we can do that if neither side is willing to compromise and work together. Things are going to have to be cut.... drastically... maybe even eliminated. Taxes might have to be raised... loopholes eliminated. Ideologues are not going to be able to get that done. That's the problem now.

I guess I am seeing Trump as more of a "mediator" between left and right, who can work with both sides (or neither side) and do what needs to be done FOR AMERICA. Will it be perfect? NO! But it will beat the dog shit out of Socialism.

 

[Jackson]

Except Trump is saying he can work with the other side of the aisle and leading the GOP polls while saying it...and yet YOU shun him and belittle his supporters.

Yep, I've seen that, and it's one of the reasons this stuff isn't making sense.

One Trump supporter I've talked to here says that he's pretty sure that, when Trump worked with the Democrats, his style & skills will help him consistently win with conservative issues.

Would you agree with that? I don't think it can be done without significant compromise. That's what deal-making is.
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Conservatism as a philosophy is, and always has been, the way to go. This is what Reagan understood, and in fact, redefined Conservatism with for his time. It is a way of life... a way of problem solving by using time-tested and common-sense solutions. It's totally NOT about an ideology. It's actually the antithesis of radical ideology and seeks to find more reasonable solutions which resolve issues to some degree on both sides of the argument.

Laugh at the personality of Trump all you like, he can certainly be a clown, cartoonish, bombastic... whatever... I think he brings a wherewithal to cut to the chase and work deals to the best of our advantage as Americans. We're not getting screwed if Trump works the deal... I can tell you that....it's gunna be yuge!

But seriously, in the spirit of Conservative philosophy, I think Trump is that and always has been. I have never known of him to be a flaming radical liberal.

I had an interesting conversation with another Trump supporter here, and he surprised me on something. I'd like your take on it.

I pointed out how Trump says he'll make the best deals. Okay, that would be good, mutually-satisfactory agreements to unclog the toilet. But that would mean that he'd be giving up things too. He won't be able to make big deals without big concessions.

The poster agreed, and even offered examples of giving up one issue (say, a higher minimum wage) to get another (say, air-tight border security).

That would necessarily mean not having a top-to-bottom conservative agenda win the day. How would you feel about that - do you think that poster represents the opinions of most Trump supporters?
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Whatever it takes...

I'm not sure what that means. Do you mean "whatever it takes" to unclog the D.C. toilet, or something else?

Unclogging the toilet would require deal-making and compromise, yes?
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Yes, unclogging the whole mess in Congress. We have to get it working again.

 

[TNHarley]

"Black Volunteers For Trump"

All six of them...

Any day now Trump is going to pivot toward the center to widen his potential constituency.....any day now.

Where is he at now?

 

[Liminal]

"Black Volunteers For Trump"

All six of them...

Any day now Trump is going to pivot toward the center to widen his potential constituency.....any day now.

Where is he at now?

Still appealing to the low IQ constituency.

 

[TNHarley]

"Black Volunteers For Trump"

All six of them...

Any day now Trump is going to pivot toward the center to widen his potential constituency.....any day now.

Where is he at now?

Still appealing to the low IQ constituency.

You imply he is either left or right. Which one is it?

 

[eddiew]

Donald Trump is evidently expanding his base of support by making inroads with the African American community. Just listen to the enthusiasm this young volunteer has for the Trump campaign.

reminds me of the paid swift boat liars for gwb and against kerry

 

[Liminal]

"Black Volunteers For Trump"

All six of them...

Any day now Trump is going to pivot toward the center to widen his potential constituency.....any day now.

Where is he at now?

Still appealing to the low IQ constituency.

You imply he is either left or right. Which one is it?

Stupid knows no politics.

 

[Liminal]

Donald Trump is evidently expanding his base of support by making inroads with the African American community. Just listen to the enthusiasm this young volunteer has for the Trump campaign.

reminds me of the paid swift boat liars for gwb and against kerry

Any Trump rally could do that.

 

[TNHarley]

"Black Volunteers For Trump"

All six of them...

Any day now Trump is going to pivot toward the center to widen his potential constituency.....any day now.

Where is he at now?

Still appealing to the low IQ constituency.

You imply he is either left or right. Which one is it?

Stupid knows no politics.

So you were just talking out of your ass?

 

[Liminal]

Any day now Trump is going to pivot toward the center to widen his potential constituency.....any day now.

Where is he at now?

Still appealing to the low IQ constituency.

You imply he is either left or right. Which one is it?

Stupid knows no politics.

So you were just talking out of your ass?

Left or right, us or them, right or wrong, black or white......some people evidently don't need anything more complicated than that.

 

[TNHarley]

Where is he at now?

Still appealing to the low IQ constituency.

You imply he is either left or right. Which one is it?

Stupid knows no politics.

So you were just talking out of your ass?

Left or right, us or them, right or wrong, black or white......some people evidently don't need anything more complicated than that.

You are preaching to the choir.

 

[bripat9643]

Donald Trump is evidently expanding his base of support by making inroads with the African American community. Just listen to the enthusiasm this young volunteer has for the Trump campaign.

reminds me of the paid swift boat liars for gwb and against kerry

Don't you leftwing turds claim we are supposed to respect Veterans?

 

[eddiew]

Donald Trump is evidently expanding his base of support by making inroads with the African American community. Just listen to the enthusiasm this young volunteer has for the Trump campaign.

reminds me of the paid swift boat liars for gwb and against kerry

Don't you leftwing turds claim we are supposed to respect Veterans?

lol Like I respected those swift boat liars??

 

[bodecea]

the biggest reason i like trump is the media and political elite hate him.

And that's how he sucks in the low-info voters like you.

 

[bodecea]

Donald Trump is evidently expanding his base of support by making inroads with the African American community. Just listen to the enthusiasm this young volunteer has for the Trump campaign.

reminds me of the paid swift boat liars for gwb and against kerry

Don't you leftwing turds claim we are supposed to respect Veterans?

Of course, you like to completely ignore Veterans unless it is politically convenient for you.

 

[bodecea]

I am hearing rumors that Hillary is so desperate that she is offering to pay real monkeys/apes 25.00 a day to help her in her campaign.

I'm sure you HAVE been hearing such rumors. That fits right in with the RW talking point generator.