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Best estimate of turbine bird deaths per year in the United States is under 3 million ... compared to 30 million death from overhead power lines ... we measure bird deaths from house cats as closer to 300 million ...
Complaining about blade-strikes is disingenuous or ill-informed ...
Chill, dude.You want wind farms which kill rare raptors. They get a special dispensation for killing the birds. Wherever they are they decimate raptor and bat populations so spare us your faux concern.
No, I like raptors, I watched the Altamont pass population be destroyed. There is no justification for windfarms. They never produce what they claim and they destroy bird and bat populations that are critical to the environment.
One is necessary ..one is not and if MI Gov shuts hers down you'll find out just how necessary they areDoes no such thing .......sounds like a lie to salve your conscience....see two can play.
Would you rather a windstorm knock down 50 wind turbines in your neighborhood ... or a 24 inch oil pipeline rupture? ... go ahead, I dare you to say a million gallons of crude is better than twisted metal ... let's see just how ill-informed you are ...
Bro, windfarms are built in the desert in Arizona and Utah and stuff. What you're talking about is not true.Chill, dude.You want wind farms which kill rare raptors. They get a special dispensation for killing the birds. Wherever they are they decimate raptor and bat populations so spare us your faux concern.
No, I like raptors, I watched the Altamont pass population be destroyed. There is no justification for windfarms. They never produce what they claim and they destroy bird and bat populations that are critical to the environment.
Bro, windfarms are built in the desert in Arizona and Utah and stuff. What you're talking about is not true.Chill, dude.You want wind farms which kill rare raptors. They get a special dispensation for killing the birds. Wherever they are they decimate raptor and bat populations so spare us your faux concern.
No, I like raptors, I watched the Altamont pass population be destroyed. There is no justification for windfarms. They never produce what they claim and they destroy bird and bat populations that are critical to the environment.
Okay maybe I will!!Bro, windfarms are built in the desert in Arizona and Utah and stuff. What you're talking about is not true.Chill, dude.You want wind farms which kill rare raptors. They get a special dispensation for killing the birds. Wherever they are they decimate raptor and bat populations so spare us your faux concern.
No, I like raptors, I watched the Altamont pass population be destroyed. There is no justification for windfarms. They never produce what they claim and they destroy bird and bat populations that are critical to the environment.
They build them along avian highways. Do some research of your own. Go to bird watching groups. Their info is far more accurate.
Okay maybe I will!!Bro, windfarms are built in the desert in Arizona and Utah and stuff. What you're talking about is not true.Chill, dude.You want wind farms which kill rare raptors. They get a special dispensation for killing the birds. Wherever they are they decimate raptor and bat populations so spare us your faux concern.
No, I like raptors, I watched the Altamont pass population be destroyed. There is no justification for windfarms. They never produce what they claim and they destroy bird and bat populations that are critical to the environment.
They build them along avian highways. Do some research of your own. Go to bird watching groups. Their info is far more accurate.
One is necessary ..one is not and if MI Gov shuts hers down you'll find out just how necessary they are
One is necessary ..one is not and if MI Gov shuts hers down you'll find out just how necessary they are
Moving the goalposts? ... since we agree that oil pipelines are more dangerous ...
Yes, the pipelines are necessary ... no argument from me on that point ... I could convert to electric heat and an electric car, have the hydroturbines grind up fish and spew bouillabaisse out the penstocks ... however, I choose to use less energy ... conservation saves money ...
FUCK the raptors ... is a filthy vulture by any other name any less fowl ... they'll shit in your open mouth and laugh, bastards ...
Oil pipelines are far less dangerous. In terms of oil moved per accident compared to any other method they are orders of magnitude safer. The raptors help keep the vermin under control. You should learn more about ecology than you apparently do.
Oil pipelines are far less dangerous. In terms of oil moved per accident compared to any other method they are orders of magnitude safer. The raptors help keep the vermin under control. You should learn more about ecology than you apparently do.
Yeah ... right ...
Olympic pipeline explosion - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Your post #41 "Raptors are rare" ... your post #49 "The raptors help keep the vermin under control" ... hypocrite ...
Investigation
After a three-year investigation, investigators pointed to a series of failures, and not just a single error, most of which were the fault of Olympic Pipeline. Olympic Pipeline had failed to properly train employees, and had to contend with a faulty computer SCADA system and pressure relief valve. In 1994, five years before the accident, an IMCO Construction crew, working on behalf of the City of Bellingham, damaged the pipeline while constructing the city's water treatment plant, and Olympic Pipeline had failed to find or repair the damage.[2]
Olympic, Equilon and several employees faced a seven count indictment after the investigation in 2002. The companies pleaded guilty to several of the charges, leading to a $112 million settlement, a record at the time. This was the first conviction against a pipeline company under the 1979 Hazardous Liquid Pipeline Safety Act.
Is that fair? Windmills kill birds every day unless they are frozen. The illegitimate nitwit.
Biden Team Tosses Trump-Era Opinion That Gave Industry A Free Pass To Kill Birds
A 2017 legal interpretation of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act “allowed industry to kill birds with impunity," a Biden administration official said Monday.www.yahoo.com
The Biden administration scrapped a controversial Trump-era legal opinion that gutted protections for hundreds of species of migratory birds.
In December 2017, Daniel Jorjani, then the top lawyer at the Department of the Interior and a former longtime adviser to the fossil fuel mogul Koch brothers, issued an interpretation of the 1918 Migratory Bird Treaty Act (MBTA) that effectively legalized all unintentional migratory bird deaths, including those caused by chemical spills, oil and gas operations, power lines and wind turbines.
Jorjani argued that the law was only meant to prohibit the intentional hunting, capturing or killing of bird species, and that as long as a company or individual does not mean to kill birds, they are protected from prosecution.
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Under the 100-year-old conservation law, it is illegal to pursue, hunt, capture, kill or possess migratory birds or their parts without proper permits. And since the 1970s, the federal government has occasionally prosecuted timber, fossil fuel and mining companies for unintentional but often avoidable bird deaths caused by industrial activity.
If you don't know the background, the Trump Administration was terrible for the environment and animal rights. He gutted the Endangered Species Act, torched the EPA, and also did the above to the Migratory Bird Treaty Act from the days of Roosevelt and conservationist bird lovers. Today marks a good day for animal rights and the rule of law against big business.
EDIT: Everything in italics is from the article, not me. "Gutted" is their word not mine.
No they don't.Is that fair? Windmills kill birds every day unless they are frozen. The illegitimate nitwit.Biden Team Tosses Trump-Era Opinion That Gave Industry A Free Pass To Kill Birds
A 2017 legal interpretation of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act “allowed industry to kill birds with impunity," a Biden administration official said Monday.
The Biden administration scrapped a controversial Trump-era legal opinion that gutted protections for hundreds of species of migratory birds.
In December 2017, Daniel Jorjani, then the top lawyer at the Department of the Interior and a former longtime adviser to the fossil fuel mogul Koch brothers, issued an interpretation of the 1918 Migratory Bird Treaty Act (MBTA) that effectively legalized all unintentional migratory bird deaths, including those caused by chemical spills, oil and gas operations, power lines and wind turbines.
Jorjani argued that the law was only meant to prohibit the intentional hunting, capturing or killing of bird species, and that as long as a company or individual does not mean to kill birds, they are protected from prosecution.
...
...
Under the 100-year-old conservation law, it is illegal to pursue, hunt, capture, kill or possess migratory birds or their parts without proper permits. And since the 1970s, the federal government has occasionally prosecuted timber, fossil fuel and mining companies for unintentional but often avoidable bird deaths caused by industrial activity.
If you don't know the background, the Trump Administration was terrible for the environment and animal rights. He gutted the Endangered Species Act, torched the EPA, and also did the above to the Migratory Bird Treaty Act from the days of Roosevelt and conservationist bird lovers. Today marks a good day for animal rights and the rule of law against big business.
EDIT: Everything in italics is from the article, not me. "Gutted" is their word not mine.
How many bird deaths from oil?Best estimate of turbine bird deaths per year in the United States is under 3 million ... compared to 30 million death from overhead power lines ... we measure bird deaths from house cats as closer to 300 million ...
Complaining about blade-strikes is disingenuous or ill-informed ...
Me too. Who doesn't?I love animals, yes.
Yep, it's quicker to just kill them with wind turbines!!!!Biden Team Tosses Trump-Era Opinion That Gave Industry A Free Pass To Kill Birds
A 2017 legal interpretation of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act “allowed industry to kill birds with impunity," a Biden administration official said Monday.
The Biden administration scrapped a controversial Trump-era legal opinion that gutted protections for hundreds of species of migratory birds.
In December 2017, Daniel Jorjani, then the top lawyer at the Department of the Interior and a former longtime adviser to the fossil fuel mogul Koch brothers, issued an interpretation of the 1918 Migratory Bird Treaty Act (MBTA) that effectively legalized all unintentional migratory bird deaths, including those caused by chemical spills, oil and gas operations, power lines and wind turbines.
Jorjani argued that the law was only meant to prohibit the intentional hunting, capturing or killing of bird species, and that as long as a company or individual does not mean to kill birds, they are protected from prosecution.
...
...
Under the 100-year-old conservation law, it is illegal to pursue, hunt, capture, kill or possess migratory birds or their parts without proper permits. And since the 1970s, the federal government has occasionally prosecuted timber, fossil fuel and mining companies for unintentional but often avoidable bird deaths caused by industrial activity.
If you don't know the background, the Trump Administration was terrible for the environment and animal rights. He gutted the Endangered Species Act, torched the EPA, and also did the above to the Migratory Bird Treaty Act from the days of Roosevelt and conservationist bird lovers. Today marks a good day for animal rights and the rule of law against big business.
EDIT: Everything in italics is from the article, not me. "Gutted" is their word not mine.
U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service - Migratory Bird Program | Conserving America's Birds (fws.gov)
Wind turbines take a terrible toll on birds | CFACT
How Many Birds Do Wind Turbines Really Kill? | Smart News | Smithsonian Magazine
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What exactly does this do? How were bird being killed exactly? What will be different?Biden Team Tosses Trump-Era Opinion That Gave Industry A Free Pass To Kill Birds
A 2017 legal interpretation of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act “allowed industry to kill birds with impunity," a Biden administration official said Monday.
The Biden administration scrapped a controversial Trump-era legal opinion that gutted protections for hundreds of species of migratory birds.
In December 2017, Daniel Jorjani, then the top lawyer at the Department of the Interior and a former longtime adviser to the fossil fuel mogul Koch brothers, issued an interpretation of the 1918 Migratory Bird Treaty Act (MBTA) that effectively legalized all unintentional migratory bird deaths, including those caused by chemical spills, oil and gas operations, power lines and wind turbines.
Jorjani argued that the law was only meant to prohibit the intentional hunting, capturing or killing of bird species, and that as long as a company or individual does not mean to kill birds, they are protected from prosecution.
...
...
Under the 100-year-old conservation law, it is illegal to pursue, hunt, capture, kill or possess migratory birds or their parts without proper permits. And since the 1970s, the federal government has occasionally prosecuted timber, fossil fuel and mining companies for unintentional but often avoidable bird deaths caused by industrial activity.
If you don't know the background, the Trump Administration was terrible for the environment and animal rights. He gutted the Endangered Species Act, torched the EPA, and also did the above to the Migratory Bird Treaty Act from the days of Roosevelt and conservationist bird lovers. Today marks a good day for animal rights and the rule of law against big business.
EDIT: Everything in italics is from the article, not me. "Gutted" is their word not mine.
But the OP was aimed at oil producers (Big Oil) not electrical generators. How were oil producers killing birds exactly and what regulation is going to stop it.Yep, it's quicker to just kill them with wind turbines!!!!Biden Team Tosses Trump-Era Opinion That Gave Industry A Free Pass To Kill Birds
A 2017 legal interpretation of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act “allowed industry to kill birds with impunity," a Biden administration official said Monday.
The Biden administration scrapped a controversial Trump-era legal opinion that gutted protections for hundreds of species of migratory birds.
In December 2017, Daniel Jorjani, then the top lawyer at the Department of the Interior and a former longtime adviser to the fossil fuel mogul Koch brothers, issued an interpretation of the 1918 Migratory Bird Treaty Act (MBTA) that effectively legalized all unintentional migratory bird deaths, including those caused by chemical spills, oil and gas operations, power lines and wind turbines.
Jorjani argued that the law was only meant to prohibit the intentional hunting, capturing or killing of bird species, and that as long as a company or individual does not mean to kill birds, they are protected from prosecution.
...
...
Under the 100-year-old conservation law, it is illegal to pursue, hunt, capture, kill or possess migratory birds or their parts without proper permits. And since the 1970s, the federal government has occasionally prosecuted timber, fossil fuel and mining companies for unintentional but often avoidable bird deaths caused by industrial activity.
If you don't know the background, the Trump Administration was terrible for the environment and animal rights. He gutted the Endangered Species Act, torched the EPA, and also did the above to the Migratory Bird Treaty Act from the days of Roosevelt and conservationist bird lovers. Today marks a good day for animal rights and the rule of law against big business.
EDIT: Everything in italics is from the article, not me. "Gutted" is their word not mine.
U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service - Migratory Bird Program | Conserving America's Birds (fws.gov)
Wind turbines take a terrible toll on birds | CFACT
How Many Birds Do Wind Turbines Really Kill? | Smart News | Smithsonian Magazine
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In terms of bird fatalities, there is no comparison between wind or fossil fuel generated power. In the Sovacool study cited above, it was found that wind farms are responsible for 0.3 bird deaths per gigawatt-hour (GWh) of electricity, whereas fossil-fuel power stations are responsible for 5.2 fatalities per GWh. According to those numbers, fossil-fuel power stations are 17 times more lethal than wind farms. At those rates, if we replaced fossil fuels with wind energy, we could potentially prevent millions of bird deaths.
One is necessary ..one is not and if MI Gov shuts hers down you'll find out just how necessary they are
Moving the goalposts? ... since we agree that oil pipelines are more dangerous ...
Yes, the pipelines are necessary ... no argument from me on that point ... I could convert to electric heat and an electric car, have the hydroturbines grind up fish and spew bouillabaisse out the penstocks ... however, I choose to use less energy ... conservation saves money ...
FUCK the raptors ... is a filthy vulture by any other name any less fowl ... they'll shit in your open mouth and laugh, bastards ...
Oil pipelines are far less dangerous. In terms of oil moved per accident compared to any other method they are orders of magnitude safer. The raptors help keep the vermin under control. You should learn more about ecology than you apparently do.
