Asset Forfeiture?

[OnePercenter]

There are legions of people doing time for white collar crime. Look at Martha Stewart, who was jailed for basically tlaking to someone.
That dog wont hunt.

Insider trading is now 'basically tlaking to someone.'

 

[martybegan]

Can anyone name a truly innocent person who had their assets forfeited? Seems every case I can find had a CRIMINAL act occurring.

GIYF.

Taken - The New Yorker

 

[Moonglow]

It is unconstitutional how asset forfeiture is done now. It totally disregards due process...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There are legions of people doing time for white collar crime. Look at Martha Stewart, who was jailed for basically tlaking to someone.
That dog wont hunt.

Insider trading is now 'basically tlaking to someone.'

She wasn't convicted of insider trading.

 

[boedicca]

Asset forfeiture is a terrible policy which violates due process and is easily abused by corrupt government employees. Like they really need more encouragement....

 

[OnePercenter]

GIYF.

Taken - The New Yorker

The officers found the couple’s cash and a marbled-glass pipe.

Try again.

 

[OnePercenter]

It is unconstitutional how asset forfeiture is done now. It totally disregards due process...

Due process is the legal requirement that the state must respect all of the legal rights that are owed to a person. Since when is property a person?

 

[Moonglow]

It is unconstitutional how asset forfeiture is done now. It totally disregards due process...

Due process is the legal requirement that the state must respect all of the legal rights that are owed to a person. Since when is property a person?

Since it is in the Constitution...

 

[OnePercenter]

She wasn't convicted of insider trading.

Sorry. Charges related to insider trading. Lying about a stock sale, conspiracy, and obstruction of justice.

 

[OnePercenter]

Asset forfeiture is a terrible policy which violates due process and is easily abused by corrupt government employees. Like they really need more encouragement....

Sure! Lets help criminals as much as possible.

 

[OnePercenter]

Since it is in the Constitution...

Property is a person is in the Constitution?

 

[hunarcy]

It is unconstitutional how asset forfeiture is done now. It totally disregards due process...

Due process is the legal requirement that the state must respect all of the legal rights that are owed to a person. Since when is property a person?

Do I not have a right to my own property? Shouldn't I be CONVICTED of a crime before my property becomes forfeit?

 

[Moonglow]

Since it is in the Constitution...

Property is a person is in the Constitution?

No, the person has a right to their property and it can't be taken away without due process, ie.,a lawsuit or a conviction in a court establishing guilt for a crime punishable by forfeiture of personal property....

 

[boedicca]

Asset forfeiture is a terrible policy which violates due process and is easily abused by corrupt government employees. Like they really need more encouragement....

Sure! Lets help criminals as much as possible.

Sorry, bub. I'm not buying into the "ends justfiy the means" mentality you promote.

 

[OnePercenter]

Do I not have a right to my own property? Shouldn't I be CONVICTED of a crime before my property becomes forfeit?

You are pulled over and a cop find a large amount of cash (without a bank receipt) and drug paraphernalia, you should get to keep the cash and the drug paraphernalia?

 

[hunarcy]

Do I not have a right to my own property? Shouldn't I be CONVICTED of a crime before my property becomes forfeit?

You are pulled over and a cop find a large amount of cash (without a bank receipt) and drug paraphernalia, you should get to keep the cash and the drug paraphernalia?

I should be arrested for the drug paraphernalia and my property held as evidence of a crime. But, I don't lose ownership unless I'm convicted of a crime.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

She wasn't convicted of insider trading.

Sorry. Charges related to insider trading. Lying about a stock sale, conspiracy, and obstruction of justice.

Sorry, not even charged with insider trading.

 

[martybegan]

Do I not have a right to my own property? Shouldn't I be CONVICTED of a crime before my property becomes forfeit?

You are pulled over and a cop find a large amount of cash (without a bank receipt) and drug paraphernalia, you should get to keep the cash and the drug paraphernalia?

I should be arrested for the drug paraphernalia and my property held as evidence of a crime. But, I don't lose ownership unless I'm convicted of a crime.

and the loss of ownership has to be comparable to the crime. One should not lose 10k in cash over a hash pipe.

 

[OnePercenter]

Do I not have a right to my own property? Shouldn't I be CONVICTED of a crime before my property becomes forfeit?

According to SCOTUS, No.

 

[hunarcy]

Do I not have a right to my own property? Shouldn't I be CONVICTED of a crime before my property becomes forfeit?

You are pulled over and a cop find a large amount of cash (without a bank receipt) and drug paraphernalia, you should get to keep the cash and the drug paraphernalia?

I should be arrested for the drug paraphernalia and my property held as evidence of a crime. But, I don't lose ownership unless I'm convicted of a crime.

and the loss of ownership has to be comparable to the crime. One should not lose 10k in cash over a hash pipe.

I don't think that there should be an automatic assumption that large amounts of cash is only related to drug use.