Article V movement

[Votto]

The choice is yours.

Not in a broken system Votto

~S~

Yeah it is....But not for reasons that the Article V people say it is.

The Fed, thei income tax, and direct election of Senators have all served to create an immense mess.....Repeal those foolish departures from the Constitution and most of the current political problems would go away.

well i agree w/you Oddone, my personal views are rather dark you see, i view our current governance as as overbearing all controlling behemoth, were they turn a simple bill into a 2000 page free for all ~S~

The issue is centralized power. It will break and corrupt any system, which it has in the US. That is why the Founding Fathers created Federalism, which has been subverted over the years.

So the only cure is decentralization.

And I understand the cynicism and distrust, but does this mean we can never put our hope and trust in anything to fight the current system?

What would be more decentralizing than ending the income tax, a return to sound money, and putting the Senate back into the hands of the states legislatures?

Yes, but how?

Sound more like you support the Article V movement than opposing it because this is the ONLY legal means to get something like that done.

 

[depotoo]

Read this

An Article V Constitutional Convention? Wrong Idea, Wrong Time

Marco Rubio wants a Constitutional Convention. So do lefty pundits and right‐wing talk show hosts. Here’s why that’s a terrible idea.

www.cato.org

 

[easyt65]

Considering the level of corruption in the US and world at large, yes I can believe it.

Now what to do about it, or do you hope Trump becomes king and lives forever?

I believe Trump's 2nd Term is the best chance we have had in DECADES to 'right the ship'.

If Trump Wins:

Durham's report on the Obama failed coup attempt, and I believe there will be a LOT of big-name conspirators: Comey, McCabe,Rosenstein, Clapper, Brennan, Mueller, Strxok, Page, Rice, Ohr...and Obama at least implicated...who knows, but there is more than enough evidence to convict them.

A thorough Investigation into the Biden's will be conducted - at the least Hunter should go to prison. No matter what Joe's political career, like Hillary's, will be over.

Corrupt /Criminal FBI Director Wray will be, at the least, FIRED. Other members of the criminal swamp will be drained.

If Trump loses there will be ZERO accountability and ZERO deterrence from keeping the traitors from doing it again. They will walk away feeling bullet-proof, confident they can get away with literally ANYTHING .

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

If that ends up like the foolhardy ranked choice voting, it'll be a major train wreck.

Explain

In both cases, we've been told that this is the route to break up the establishment -and the left in particular- and put them back in their box....WIth ranked choice voting, all that has done in practice has been to further empower the left.

I keep hearing that.

Explain how it will empower the left.

If anything, it will empower third parties.

 

[danielpalos]

Convention Of States: Last Chance To Save The Republic - Freedom Wire

The Federal Government continues to abuse its power, and it's time for the states to take action. An Article V Convention might be our only hope.

freedomwire.com

No matter who wins in a few days, no matter which side dominates, half of the country is going to want to secede. That is, after legal battle after legal battle over the election with no real accepted closure for the defeated side. There is no way to stop that, or is there?

It used to be that states ran their own affairs. That means if you live in Seattle or San Fran and you want to invite illegals into your state and allow hoodlums to torch your cities and close down police departments, you are free to do so. And if you want to state to run your health care, retirement, and pretty much you whole life you can do that as well. However, if you live in a state where you don't want any of those things, you don't have to. Naturally, there will be some unhappy campers in blue and red states that don't like the system, but they are free to leave, like we see mass migrations of Californians fleeing to Texas, etc.

In fact, Massachusetts had Romneycare as their health insurance and they liked it. They even tried to stop Obamacare by voting for a Republican, Scott Brown to replace Kennedy so he would vote against it. However, the democrats bypassed his vote and the democratic process via Reconciliation. So Scott Brown failed as the people of MA were force fed the Federal health care plan.

But with states running their own affairs, like MA did at one time, all 50 states would have different ways of trying to solve problems like health care, and we can then step back and see which work best so that others will be more apt to choose them rather than demanding we all bow to the same ideology and put all our eggs in one basket and force feed us something. Actually, that was the original design and it was referred to as Federalism

States were to run their own affairs as the Federal government played referee. That way any injustices, which are bound to come, can be met with Federal intervention to correct those injustices. However, with the Federal government now running everything, when injustices come, which they do and will continue, who can we run to for justice? The referee is now running with the ball.

So I implore all of you, consider supporting the Article V movement. I see it as the last legal and civil and humane way to deal with the great divide in the country. Otherwise, you are faced with only trying to attain power and forcing the other half of the country to submit.

The choice is yours.

Doing it this way with no actual goal is like a mob trying to enact police reform.

Why didn't the Romney care politician try to get what people actually liked as national policy? Nothing but Repeal is worthless.

 

[danielpalos]

The choice is yours.

Not in a broken system Votto

~S~

The Founders put the Article V provision in the Constitution for a reason, and that reason was, to address an out of control Federal system. By all counts, we have reached that and then some.

So were the Founders stupid, or are we for not ever trying it because it has never been done before?

What I do know is, the US Federal Congress has not had an approval rating of above 20% for decades now. And issue such as term limits for Congress and a balanced budget amendment of some kind are supported by upwards of 60 to 80% of the public. These things will never be fixed unless this approach is taken because Congress will never decrease their power by choice.

The right wing is worse. At least the left is usually for social welfare since we have a general welfare clause. Why do right wingers insist we need alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror and then don't want to pay for it? Free market Capitalism is only a talking point for right wingers in socialism threads.

 

[danielpalos]

I'm tired of conservatives just playing defense. They have lost more and more ground over the years, and no offense to take it back.

By God it's time to go on offense!

All you need is better solutions at lower cost. Nothing but Repeal is worthless.

 

[danielpalos]

The choice is yours.

Not in a broken system Votto

~S~

Yeah it is....But not for reasons that the Article V people say it is.

The Fed, thei income tax, and direct election of Senators have all served to create an immense mess.....Repeal those foolish departures from the Constitution and most of the current political problems would go away.

well i agree w/you Oddone, my personal views are rather dark you see, i view our current governance as as overbearing all controlling behemoth, were they turn a simple bill into a 2000 page free for all ~S~

The issue is centralized power. It will break and corrupt any system, which it has in the US. That is why the Founding Fathers created Federalism, which has been subverted over the years.

So the only cure is decentralization.

And I understand the cynicism and distrust, but does this mean we can never put our hope and trust in anything to fight the current system?

What would be more decentralizing than ending the income tax, a return to sound money, and putting the Senate back into the hands of the states legislatures?

The inability to respond to crises like the pandemic with no income tax and sound money, for example. Agree that we have learned our lesson, regarding Senate representation in Congress.

 

[Oddball]

The choice is yours.

Not in a broken system Votto

~S~

Yeah it is....But not for reasons that the Article V people say it is.

The Fed, thei income tax, and direct election of Senators have all served to create an immense mess.....Repeal those foolish departures from the Constitution and most of the current political problems would go away.

well i agree w/you Oddone, my personal views are rather dark you see, i view our current governance as as overbearing all controlling behemoth, were they turn a simple bill into a 2000 page free for all ~S~

The issue is centralized power. It will break and corrupt any system, which it has in the US. That is why the Founding Fathers created Federalism, which has been subverted over the years.

So the only cure is decentralization.

And I understand the cynicism and distrust, but does this mean we can never put our hope and trust in anything to fight the current system?

What would be more decentralizing than ending the income tax, a return to sound money, and putting the Senate back into the hands of the states legislatures?

The inability to respond to crises like the pandemic with no income tax and sound money, for example. Agree that we have learned our lesson, regarding Senate representation in Congress.

STFU, brick head....Adults are talking here.

 

[Oddball]

If that ends up like the foolhardy ranked choice voting, it'll be a major train wreck.

Explain

In both cases, we've been told that this is the route to break up the establishment -and the left in particular- and put them back in their box....WIth ranked choice voting, all that has done in practice has been to further empower the left.

I keep hearing that.

Explain how it will empower the left.

If anything, it will empower third parties.

You obviously haven't seen the results of ranked choice put into practice in Maine.

The left floods the zone with kook candidates, who occupy the the ranks down to the bottom, where the opposition and "alternative" candidates inevitably end up.

Specifically, a republican got the most 1st place votes, but because there was a slew of various and sundry crackpot leftists on the ballot, the second place democrat ended up being awarded the election.

Sounds good in theory, works like shit in practice.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

I believe the founders had a sub context built in that to do this successfully, we must have honest and moral people running the country. We don't. Therein lies the problem. The corruption and immorality would have to be eliminated. The deeper issue underlying all of this is the influence of the global new world order.

 

[danielpalos]

The choice is yours.

Not in a broken system Votto

~S~

Yeah it is....But not for reasons that the Article V people say it is.

The Fed, thei income tax, and direct election of Senators have all served to create an immense mess.....Repeal those foolish departures from the Constitution and most of the current political problems would go away.

well i agree w/you Oddone, my personal views are rather dark you see, i view our current governance as as overbearing all controlling behemoth, were they turn a simple bill into a 2000 page free for all ~S~

The issue is centralized power. It will break and corrupt any system, which it has in the US. That is why the Founding Fathers created Federalism, which has been subverted over the years.

So the only cure is decentralization.

And I understand the cynicism and distrust, but does this mean we can never put our hope and trust in anything to fight the current system?

What would be more decentralizing than ending the income tax, a return to sound money, and putting the Senate back into the hands of the states legislatures?

The inability to respond to crises like the pandemic with no income tax and sound money, for example. Agree that we have learned our lesson, regarding Senate representation in Congress.

STFU, brick head....Adults are talking here.

Doesn't seem like it. Adults should have valid arguments and valid rebuttals.

 

[Oddball]

The choice is yours.

Not in a broken system Votto

~S~

Yeah it is....But not for reasons that the Article V people say it is.

The Fed, thei income tax, and direct election of Senators have all served to create an immense mess.....Repeal those foolish departures from the Constitution and most of the current political problems would go away.

well i agree w/you Oddone, my personal views are rather dark you see, i view our current governance as as overbearing all controlling behemoth, were they turn a simple bill into a 2000 page free for all ~S~

The issue is centralized power. It will break and corrupt any system, which it has in the US. That is why the Founding Fathers created Federalism, which has been subverted over the years.

So the only cure is decentralization.

And I understand the cynicism and distrust, but does this mean we can never put our hope and trust in anything to fight the current system?

What would be more decentralizing than ending the income tax, a return to sound money, and putting the Senate back into the hands of the states legislatures?

The inability to respond to crises like the pandemic with no income tax and sound money, for example. Agree that we have learned our lesson, regarding Senate representation in Congress.

STFU, brick head....Adults are talking here.

Doesn't seem like it. Adults should have valid arguments and valid rebuttals.

You wouldn't know a valid argument if it kicked you in your tiny little beanbag.