Arab Treatment Of Palestinians

[MJB12741]

Isn't interestinhg how the Palestinians & their supporters ***** about Israel's treatment of Palestinians with their peace offerings, security fence & land concessions. And yet never a single complaint about Arab country treatment of their Palestinians. When will Israel ever learn to dump their damn Zionist agenda & please the Palestinians like their own Arab brothers do? LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Why Arabs Hate And Kill Palestinians

 

[montelatici]

Wow, that is exactly what the Nazis said about the Jews. That whole piece could have been written by Goebbels about the Jews. The old "Jews bring it upon themselves" theory is now applied to Palestinians. Interesting.

 

[MJB12741]

Wow, that is exactly what the Nazis said about the Jews. That whole piece could have been written by Goebbels about the Jews. The old "Jews bring it upon themselves" theory is now applied to Palestinians. Interesting.

Good point Monte. You have a very fine brain. Notice how those Zionists don't even mention the gas chambers in the Gaza concentration camp?

 

[montelatici]

Isn't bombing schools full of women and children a more effective effective setup, than having to supervise people standing in line?

 

[Roudy]

Wow, that is exactly what the Nazis said about the Jews. That whole piece could have been written by Goebbels about the Jews. The old "Jews bring it upon themselves" theory is now applied to Palestinians. Interesting.

Actually that's nothing like what the Nazis said about Jews. But if you want Nazi like behavior, look no further than the Palestinians that you support:

Hitler's Mufti | Catholic Answers

Hitler's Mufti | Catholic Answers

Recent work by historians and apologists has revealed that an influential, international religious leader was also an ardent supporter of Adolf Hitler. His name was not Pope Pius XII but Hajj Amin al-Husseini. This Grand Mufti of Jerusalem recruited whole divisions of fanatics to fight and kill in the name of extremism.

Revered in some circles today as one of the fathers of modern radical Islam, al-Husseini has been the subject of a number of modern studies. Scholars such as David Dalin, John Rothmann, Chuck Morse, and others have courageously brought al-Husseini’s actions to light. "Hitler’s Mufti," as many have called him, had a direct hand in some of the darkest moments of the Holocaust, the slaughter of tens of thousands of Christians, and the formation of some of the most hate-filled generations of modern history. Al-Husseini is a testament to the way that evil finds evil.

 

[Roudy]

Isn't bombing schools full of women and children a more effective effective setup, than having to supervise people standing in line?

Well again, the Palestinians are the ones that are guilty of intentionally target schools and women and children, while hiding their weapons and rockets in....(drum roll please)...SCHOOLS!.

 

[montelatici]

No weapons were stored where the children and women were seeking refuge. As the UN stated, there was no excuse for the commission of the war crime.

"Ban Ki-moon condemns attacks, including strike on UN school that killed 20 people and wounded dozens, ‘as a matter of the utmost gravity’
“The three schools at which weaponry was found were empty at the time and were not being used as shelters.”

Israel responsible for Gaza strikes on UN schools and shelters, inquiry finds

 

[montelatici]

You always lose Ruffles, because you rely on propaganda. You are too easy to make a fool of.

 

[Roudy]

Wow two bullshit statements all in one sentence. Yes, Pali animals do target Israeli women and children intentionally, and yes, iti S indesputable fact that Pali animals not only used schools and hospitals for rocket and ammo storage, but actually shot rockets at Israeli civilians from them. What kind of depraved animals put their own children and sick in harms way while target other children and sickened people? Why of course, PaliNazi animals.

Yes, these are the savages you proudly support.

 

[Hossfly]

Wow two bullshit statements all in one sentence. Yes, Pali animals do target Israeli women and children intentionally, and yes, iti S indesputable fact that Pali animals not only used schools and hospitals for rocket and ammo storage, but actually shot rockets at Israeli civilians from them. What kind of depraved animals put their own children and sick in harms way while target other children and sickened people? Why of course, PaliNazi animals.

Yes, these are the savages you proudly support.

Monte's diatribe is always full of turnspeak.

 

[Roudy]

Wow two bullshit statements all in one sentence. Yes, Pali animals do target Israeli women and children intentionally, and yes, iti S indesputable fact that Pali animals not only used schools and hospitals for rocket and ammo storage, but actually shot rockets at Israeli civilians from them. What kind of depraved animals put their own children and sick in harms way while target other children and sickened people? Why of course, PaliNazi animals.

Yes, these are the savages you proudly support.

Monte's diatribe is always full of turnspeak.

You'd think in a world where Muslims are slaughtering tens of thousands of non Muslims as well as fellow Muslims, the antisemitic ahole would have something else to say but Jew hate and blaming a Jews for everything.

 

[flacaltenn]

OK --- Show of hands.. who here actually even LOOKED at the OP and went to the link??

I thought so.. This is the reason this forum sucks.. Because everyone here if off on the same-ole same-ole and blew a WONDERFUL chance to discuss the killing and dying that's occurring TONIGHT of the Palestinians in Syria.

Makes me violently ill to see such wasted effort. Try THIS from the OP link

More than 800 Palestinians have been killed and hundreds others injured since the beginning of the crisis in Syria nearly two years ago.

In the past two weeks, thousands of Palestinians were forced to flee the Yarmouk refugee camp near Damascus after Syrian jets bombed their homes, killing dozens of people.

More than 3000 refugees have fled to neighboring Lebanon, where some politicians and cabinet ministers are already calling for closing the border to stop the influx of Palestinians into their country.

The Arab world, meanwhile, has done nothing to help the Palestinians in Syria.

The Arab League did not hold an emergency meeting to discuss what Palestinians described as "massacres" against the refugees in Yarmouk, home to some 50,000 people.

Comments? You have more important things to discuss about the plight of Palestinians or ancient history squabbles?

Coyote Any interest in this topic? I'd like to....

 

[Coyote]

OK --- Show of hands.. who here actually even LOOKED at the OP and went to the link??

I thought so.. This is the reason this forum sucks.. Because everyone here if off on the same-ole same-ole and blew a WONDERFUL chance to discuss the killing and dying that's occurring TONIGHT of the Palestinians in Syria.

Makes me violently ill to see such wasted effort. Try THIS from the OP link

More than 800 Palestinians have been killed and hundreds others injured since the beginning of the crisis in Syria nearly two years ago.

In the past two weeks, thousands of Palestinians were forced to flee the Yarmouk refugee camp near Damascus after Syrian jets bombed their homes, killing dozens of people.

More than 3000 refugees have fled to neighboring Lebanon, where some politicians and cabinet ministers are already calling for closing the border to stop the influx of Palestinians into their country.

The Arab world, meanwhile, has done nothing to help the Palestinians in Syria.

The Arab League did not hold an emergency meeting to discuss what Palestinians described as "massacres" against the refugees in Yarmouk, home to some 50,000 people.

Comments? You have more important things to discuss about the plight of Palestinians or ancient history squabbles?

Coyote Any interest in this topic? I'd like to....

I've been reading about the plight of Palestinians in Syrian refugee camps. They are in a particularly vulnerable situation because they are almost "non-people" - they have no citizenship, no rights whatsoever in the country they are residing in. Early on in the Syrian conflict and ISIS enroachment, when it came to refugees immigrating from Syria - the Palestinians couldn't. They had no papers. From the beginning the Palestinians have been used as a political pawn by the Arab states against Israel and that also segues into WHY the Gulf Arab States have done so little to help the Syrian refugees. They refused to ever call the Palestinians refugees because (I think) doing so would mean they would have to acknowledge some sort of resettlement. Everyone "despises" the Palestinians but they are people, human beings. Why are they despised? I don't think it's because they are so bad. Propoganda, politics of the Middle East, systemic dehumanization including the dehumanization that affects generations raised stateless and rightless in refugee camps...including the dehumanization present in the OP's original content. Something has to be done and it's not just up to Israel to affect change. The Arab world has to change to meet this ongoing crisis.

 

[Coyote]

I should also add that many are so desperate, having nothing to lose and no hope of anything better, they are taking the dangerous sea routes.

 

[Coyote]

Arab Countries Are Forcing Palestinian Exiles Back Into Syria

Palestinians refugees from Syria—known as PRS—are the shadow refugees of a four-year crisis with no end in sight. They are flat-out barred from entering any of Syria’s neighbors other than Turkey. If they do find a way in, they’re rejected by humanitarian organizations, banned from refugee camps, and face deportation back into Syria’s nightmare...

...“Legally there’s nowhere for this besieged population to go. There’s a sense that they’ll try anything to get somewhere,” says Adam Coogle, the Human Rights Watch researcher in Jordan. “The only thing they can do is try to stay off the radar, wait for the conflict in Syria to end and go back, or try to make a very, very dangerous journey.”

The trip to more welcoming countries can have deadly consequences. Turkey is the only country neighboring Syria that still allows in Palestinians fleeing the civil war, but getting there is perilous, expensive, and likely requires a trip through ISIS territory. Last week, a boat filled with Palestinians from Yarmouk Camp in Damascus capsized on its way from Lebanon to Turkey, killing nine.

As early as 2012, Jordan stopped allowing Palestinians from Syria into the country, and the policy was formalized the following year. “They should stay in Syria until the end of the crisis,” Prime Minister Abdullah Ensour announced at the time. Lebanon followed suit in 2014, and has also stopped renewing visas for Palestinians already inside. Egypt and Iraq have similar restrictions.

...“Syrians have gone through hell. But the Palestinians—they’re not even in their own country, so life is even worse,” says UNRWA spokesman Christopher Gunness. “If you can imagine that.”

...Ahmad is from Yarmouk Camp, an unofficial refugee camp in Damascus that has functioned as the center of Palestinian life in Syria for half a century. At the end of 2012, a Syrian army bombing campaign turned the camp into a battlefield. Yarmouk became, and remains, one of the most desperate humanitarian situations in the world. Its border is sealed by the Syrian government, blocking food, water, and medicine from entering. Snipers encircle the perimeter, targeting anyone who dares to venture outside. Reports say its remaining residents—the population has plummeted from 200,000 to an estimated 8,000—survive on stray animals, grass, and dirt. In April, the camp was violently seized by the so-called Islamic State, widely known as ISIS.

 

[flacaltenn]

Arab Countries Are Forcing Palestinian Exiles Back Into Syria

Palestinians refugees from Syria—known as PRS—are the shadow refugees of a four-year crisis with no end in sight. They are flat-out barred from entering any of Syria’s neighbors other than Turkey. If they do find a way in, they’re rejected by humanitarian organizations, banned from refugee camps, and face deportation back into Syria’s nightmare...

...“Legally there’s nowhere for this besieged population to go. There’s a sense that they’ll try anything to get somewhere,” says Adam Coogle, the Human Rights Watch researcher in Jordan. “The only thing they can do is try to stay off the radar, wait for the conflict in Syria to end and go back, or try to make a very, very dangerous journey.”

The trip to more welcoming countries can have deadly consequences. Turkey is the only country neighboring Syria that still allows in Palestinians fleeing the civil war, but getting there is perilous, expensive, and likely requires a trip through ISIS territory. Last week, a boat filled with Palestinians from Yarmouk Camp in Damascus capsized on its way from Lebanon to Turkey, killing nine.

As early as 2012, Jordan stopped allowing Palestinians from Syria into the country, and the policy was formalized the following year. “They should stay in Syria until the end of the crisis,” Prime Minister Abdullah Ensour announced at the time. Lebanon followed suit in 2014, and has also stopped renewing visas for Palestinians already inside. Egypt and Iraq have similar restrictions.

...“Syrians have gone through hell. But the Palestinians—they’re not even in their own country, so life is even worse,” says UNRWA spokesman Christopher Gunness. “If you can imagine that.”

...Ahmad is from Yarmouk Camp, an unofficial refugee camp in Damascus that has functioned as the center of Palestinian life in Syria for half a century. At the end of 2012, a Syrian army bombing campaign turned the camp into a battlefield. Yarmouk became, and remains, one of the most desperate humanitarian situations in the world. Its border is sealed by the Syrian government, blocking food, water, and medicine from entering. Snipers encircle the perimeter, targeting anyone who dares to venture outside. Reports say its remaining residents—the population has plummeted from 200,000 to an estimated 8,000—survive on stray animals, grass, and dirt. In April, the camp was violently seized by the so-called Islamic State, widely known as ISIS.

The Palestinians are just ONE of the groups making up the victims of the conflict. The Yazidis on the other end are another. And there is no sanctuary or welcome mat for these groups. It's obscene that no efforts have been made to set up "safe zones" in Syria or Lebanon or Iraq. The warring parties INCLUDING the Arab states AND the West seemingly are too focused on the politics and the killing.

But not to protect folks ALREADY dislocated is particularly cruel and heartless. Especially when the violence is visited on them by other Arab groups.. So my hope is --- that this will turn hearts and minds in "Palestine" and they will start thinking more like Zionists. Where forming a self-governing country is more important than cheering on the militant actors in Fatah/Hamas who don't care about today or tomorrow.. Just yesterday..

 

[Coyote]

Arab Countries Are Forcing Palestinian Exiles Back Into Syria

Palestinians refugees from Syria—known as PRS—are the shadow refugees of a four-year crisis with no end in sight. They are flat-out barred from entering any of Syria’s neighbors other than Turkey. If they do find a way in, they’re rejected by humanitarian organizations, banned from refugee camps, and face deportation back into Syria’s nightmare...

...“Legally there’s nowhere for this besieged population to go. There’s a sense that they’ll try anything to get somewhere,” says Adam Coogle, the Human Rights Watch researcher in Jordan. “The only thing they can do is try to stay off the radar, wait for the conflict in Syria to end and go back, or try to make a very, very dangerous journey.”

The trip to more welcoming countries can have deadly consequences. Turkey is the only country neighboring Syria that still allows in Palestinians fleeing the civil war, but getting there is perilous, expensive, and likely requires a trip through ISIS territory. Last week, a boat filled with Palestinians from Yarmouk Camp in Damascus capsized on its way from Lebanon to Turkey, killing nine.

As early as 2012, Jordan stopped allowing Palestinians from Syria into the country, and the policy was formalized the following year. “They should stay in Syria until the end of the crisis,” Prime Minister Abdullah Ensour announced at the time. Lebanon followed suit in 2014, and has also stopped renewing visas for Palestinians already inside. Egypt and Iraq have similar restrictions.

...“Syrians have gone through hell. But the Palestinians—they’re not even in their own country, so life is even worse,” says UNRWA spokesman Christopher Gunness. “If you can imagine that.”

...Ahmad is from Yarmouk Camp, an unofficial refugee camp in Damascus that has functioned as the center of Palestinian life in Syria for half a century. At the end of 2012, a Syrian army bombing campaign turned the camp into a battlefield. Yarmouk became, and remains, one of the most desperate humanitarian situations in the world. Its border is sealed by the Syrian government, blocking food, water, and medicine from entering. Snipers encircle the perimeter, targeting anyone who dares to venture outside. Reports say its remaining residents—the population has plummeted from 200,000 to an estimated 8,000—survive on stray animals, grass, and dirt. In April, the camp was violently seized by the so-called Islamic State, widely known as ISIS.

The Palestinians are just ONE of the groups making up the victims of the conflict. The Yazidis on the other end are another. And there is no sanctuary or welcome mat for these groups. It's obscene that no efforts have been made to set up "safe zones" in Syria or Lebanon or Iraq. The warring parties INCLUDING the Arab states AND the West seemingly are too focused on the politics and the killing.

The Yazidi's have recieved far more attention and sympathy than the Palestinians, but you are right there are many groups. The thing is though, is there are so so many "factions" involved. There has to be some sort of political solution, because a military one alone accomplishes little. Having all the major players at one table is a start - US, Russia, Iran, Arab States, Europe etc. is a start if they can even agree on a path.

But not to protect folks ALREADY dislocated is particularly cruel and heartless. Especially when the violence is visited on them by other Arab groups.. So my hope is --- that this will turn hearts and minds in "Palestine" and they will start thinking more like Zionists. Where forming a self-governing country is more important than cheering on the militant actors in Fatah/Hamas who don't care about today or tomorrow.. Just yesterday..

Agree and that is an interesting point - thinking like the zionists. They need to be more unified, and include the Palestinians in refugee camps amongst their citizenry. Thus far, I believe they are excluded from a potential Palestinian state.

 

[flacaltenn]

Arab Countries Are Forcing Palestinian Exiles Back Into Syria

Palestinians refugees from Syria—known as PRS—are the shadow refugees of a four-year crisis with no end in sight. They are flat-out barred from entering any of Syria’s neighbors other than Turkey. If they do find a way in, they’re rejected by humanitarian organizations, banned from refugee camps, and face deportation back into Syria’s nightmare...

...“Legally there’s nowhere for this besieged population to go. There’s a sense that they’ll try anything to get somewhere,” says Adam Coogle, the Human Rights Watch researcher in Jordan. “The only thing they can do is try to stay off the radar, wait for the conflict in Syria to end and go back, or try to make a very, very dangerous journey.”

The trip to more welcoming countries can have deadly consequences. Turkey is the only country neighboring Syria that still allows in Palestinians fleeing the civil war, but getting there is perilous, expensive, and likely requires a trip through ISIS territory. Last week, a boat filled with Palestinians from Yarmouk Camp in Damascus capsized on its way from Lebanon to Turkey, killing nine.

As early as 2012, Jordan stopped allowing Palestinians from Syria into the country, and the policy was formalized the following year. “They should stay in Syria until the end of the crisis,” Prime Minister Abdullah Ensour announced at the time. Lebanon followed suit in 2014, and has also stopped renewing visas for Palestinians already inside. Egypt and Iraq have similar restrictions.

...“Syrians have gone through hell. But the Palestinians—they’re not even in their own country, so life is even worse,” says UNRWA spokesman Christopher Gunness. “If you can imagine that.”

...Ahmad is from Yarmouk Camp, an unofficial refugee camp in Damascus that has functioned as the center of Palestinian life in Syria for half a century. At the end of 2012, a Syrian army bombing campaign turned the camp into a battlefield. Yarmouk became, and remains, one of the most desperate humanitarian situations in the world. Its border is sealed by the Syrian government, blocking food, water, and medicine from entering. Snipers encircle the perimeter, targeting anyone who dares to venture outside. Reports say its remaining residents—the population has plummeted from 200,000 to an estimated 8,000—survive on stray animals, grass, and dirt. In April, the camp was violently seized by the so-called Islamic State, widely known as ISIS.

The Palestinians are just ONE of the groups making up the victims of the conflict. The Yazidis on the other end are another. And there is no sanctuary or welcome mat for these groups. It's obscene that no efforts have been made to set up "safe zones" in Syria or Lebanon or Iraq. The warring parties INCLUDING the Arab states AND the West seemingly are too focused on the politics and the killing.

The Yazidi's have recieved far more attention and sympathy than the Palestinians, but you are right there are many groups. The thing is though, is there are so so many "factions" involved. There has to be some sort of political solution, because a military one alone accomplishes little. Having all the major players at one table is a start - US, Russia, Iran, Arab States, Europe etc. is a start if they can even agree on a path.

But not to protect folks ALREADY dislocated is particularly cruel and heartless. Especially when the violence is visited on them by other Arab groups.. So my hope is --- that this will turn hearts and minds in "Palestine" and they will start thinking more like Zionists. Where forming a self-governing country is more important than cheering on the militant actors in Fatah/Hamas who don't care about today or tomorrow.. Just yesterday..

Agree and that is an interesting point - thinking like the zionists. They need to be more unified, and include the Palestinians in refugee camps amongst their citizenry. Thus far, I believe they are excluded from a potential Palestinian state.

It IS time for them to put diplomacy and political organization into play. And this thread just confirms my belief that the Pali future depends on a REGIONAL solution. With nations that can all openly negotiate with one another taking the role of setting up a Pali Homeland. At this point -- maybe Jordan, Egypt, Israel have to CONSTRUCT a Pali state together and give them time to change the focus from deadly protest to statesmanship..

 

[Coyote]

Arab Countries Are Forcing Palestinian Exiles Back Into Syria

Palestinians refugees from Syria—known as PRS—are the shadow refugees of a four-year crisis with no end in sight. They are flat-out barred from entering any of Syria’s neighbors other than Turkey. If they do find a way in, they’re rejected by humanitarian organizations, banned from refugee camps, and face deportation back into Syria’s nightmare...

...“Legally there’s nowhere for this besieged population to go. There’s a sense that they’ll try anything to get somewhere,” says Adam Coogle, the Human Rights Watch researcher in Jordan. “The only thing they can do is try to stay off the radar, wait for the conflict in Syria to end and go back, or try to make a very, very dangerous journey.”

The trip to more welcoming countries can have deadly consequences. Turkey is the only country neighboring Syria that still allows in Palestinians fleeing the civil war, but getting there is perilous, expensive, and likely requires a trip through ISIS territory. Last week, a boat filled with Palestinians from Yarmouk Camp in Damascus capsized on its way from Lebanon to Turkey, killing nine.

As early as 2012, Jordan stopped allowing Palestinians from Syria into the country, and the policy was formalized the following year. “They should stay in Syria until the end of the crisis,” Prime Minister Abdullah Ensour announced at the time. Lebanon followed suit in 2014, and has also stopped renewing visas for Palestinians already inside. Egypt and Iraq have similar restrictions.

...“Syrians have gone through hell. But the Palestinians—they’re not even in their own country, so life is even worse,” says UNRWA spokesman Christopher Gunness. “If you can imagine that.”

...Ahmad is from Yarmouk Camp, an unofficial refugee camp in Damascus that has functioned as the center of Palestinian life in Syria for half a century. At the end of 2012, a Syrian army bombing campaign turned the camp into a battlefield. Yarmouk became, and remains, one of the most desperate humanitarian situations in the world. Its border is sealed by the Syrian government, blocking food, water, and medicine from entering. Snipers encircle the perimeter, targeting anyone who dares to venture outside. Reports say its remaining residents—the population has plummeted from 200,000 to an estimated 8,000—survive on stray animals, grass, and dirt. In April, the camp was violently seized by the so-called Islamic State, widely known as ISIS.

The Palestinians are just ONE of the groups making up the victims of the conflict. The Yazidis on the other end are another. And there is no sanctuary or welcome mat for these groups. It's obscene that no efforts have been made to set up "safe zones" in Syria or Lebanon or Iraq. The warring parties INCLUDING the Arab states AND the West seemingly are too focused on the politics and the killing.

The Yazidi's have recieved far more attention and sympathy than the Palestinians, but you are right there are many groups. The thing is though, is there are so so many "factions" involved. There has to be some sort of political solution, because a military one alone accomplishes little. Having all the major players at one table is a start - US, Russia, Iran, Arab States, Europe etc. is a start if they can even agree on a path.

But not to protect folks ALREADY dislocated is particularly cruel and heartless. Especially when the violence is visited on them by other Arab groups.. So my hope is --- that this will turn hearts and minds in "Palestine" and they will start thinking more like Zionists. Where forming a self-governing country is more important than cheering on the militant actors in Fatah/Hamas who don't care about today or tomorrow.. Just yesterday..

Agree and that is an interesting point - thinking like the zionists. They need to be more unified, and include the Palestinians in refugee camps amongst their citizenry. Thus far, I believe they are excluded from a potential Palestinian state.

It IS time for them to put diplomacy and political organization into play. And this thread just confirms my belief that the Pali future depends on a REGIONAL solution. With nations that can all openly negotiate with one another taking the role of setting up a Pali Homeland. At this point -- maybe Jordan, Egypt, Israel have to CONSTRUCT a Pali state together and give them time to change the focus from deadly protest to statesmanship..

I fully agree and I think, and ultimately - that's going to have to be the solution to most of the ongoing crisis in the region. Foreign intervention can only do so much without a regional solution to support it and make it more durable. People however, have to see hope in the future and so far there is little of that for the Palestinians.

You mentioned no fly zones etc in Syria and I had wondered about that as well. I heard something on NPR discussing why it worked with Iraq for example, but not with Syria and the reason was Iraq had a very weak airforce, unlike Assad, who has a very capable one.

 

[flacaltenn]

Arab Countries Are Forcing Palestinian Exiles Back Into Syria

Palestinians refugees from Syria—known as PRS—are the shadow refugees of a four-year crisis with no end in sight. They are flat-out barred from entering any of Syria’s neighbors other than Turkey. If they do find a way in, they’re rejected by humanitarian organizations, banned from refugee camps, and face deportation back into Syria’s nightmare...

...“Legally there’s nowhere for this besieged population to go. There’s a sense that they’ll try anything to get somewhere,” says Adam Coogle, the Human Rights Watch researcher in Jordan. “The only thing they can do is try to stay off the radar, wait for the conflict in Syria to end and go back, or try to make a very, very dangerous journey.”

The trip to more welcoming countries can have deadly consequences. Turkey is the only country neighboring Syria that still allows in Palestinians fleeing the civil war, but getting there is perilous, expensive, and likely requires a trip through ISIS territory. Last week, a boat filled with Palestinians from Yarmouk Camp in Damascus capsized on its way from Lebanon to Turkey, killing nine.

As early as 2012, Jordan stopped allowing Palestinians from Syria into the country, and the policy was formalized the following year. “They should stay in Syria until the end of the crisis,” Prime Minister Abdullah Ensour announced at the time. Lebanon followed suit in 2014, and has also stopped renewing visas for Palestinians already inside. Egypt and Iraq have similar restrictions.

...“Syrians have gone through hell. But the Palestinians—they’re not even in their own country, so life is even worse,” says UNRWA spokesman Christopher Gunness. “If you can imagine that.”

...Ahmad is from Yarmouk Camp, an unofficial refugee camp in Damascus that has functioned as the center of Palestinian life in Syria for half a century. At the end of 2012, a Syrian army bombing campaign turned the camp into a battlefield. Yarmouk became, and remains, one of the most desperate humanitarian situations in the world. Its border is sealed by the Syrian government, blocking food, water, and medicine from entering. Snipers encircle the perimeter, targeting anyone who dares to venture outside. Reports say its remaining residents—the population has plummeted from 200,000 to an estimated 8,000—survive on stray animals, grass, and dirt. In April, the camp was violently seized by the so-called Islamic State, widely known as ISIS.

The Palestinians are just ONE of the groups making up the victims of the conflict. The Yazidis on the other end are another. And there is no sanctuary or welcome mat for these groups. It's obscene that no efforts have been made to set up "safe zones" in Syria or Lebanon or Iraq. The warring parties INCLUDING the Arab states AND the West seemingly are too focused on the politics and the killing.

The Yazidi's have recieved far more attention and sympathy than the Palestinians, but you are right there are many groups. The thing is though, is there are so so many "factions" involved. There has to be some sort of political solution, because a military one alone accomplishes little. Having all the major players at one table is a start - US, Russia, Iran, Arab States, Europe etc. is a start if they can even agree on a path.

But not to protect folks ALREADY dislocated is particularly cruel and heartless. Especially when the violence is visited on them by other Arab groups.. So my hope is --- that this will turn hearts and minds in "Palestine" and they will start thinking more like Zionists. Where forming a self-governing country is more important than cheering on the militant actors in Fatah/Hamas who don't care about today or tomorrow.. Just yesterday..

Agree and that is an interesting point - thinking like the zionists. They need to be more unified, and include the Palestinians in refugee camps amongst their citizenry. Thus far, I believe they are excluded from a potential Palestinian state.

It IS time for them to put diplomacy and political organization into play. And this thread just confirms my belief that the Pali future depends on a REGIONAL solution. With nations that can all openly negotiate with one another taking the role of setting up a Pali Homeland. At this point -- maybe Jordan, Egypt, Israel have to CONSTRUCT a Pali state together and give them time to change the focus from deadly protest to statesmanship..

I fully agree and I think, and ultimately - that's going to have to be the solution to most of the ongoing crisis in the region. Foreign intervention can only do so much without a regional solution to support it and make it more durable. People however, have to see hope in the future and so far there is little of that for the Palestinians.

You mentioned no fly zones etc in Syria and I had wondered about that as well. I heard something on NPR discussing why it worked with Iraq for example, but not with Syria and the reason was Iraq had a very weak airforce, unlike Assad, who has a very capable one.

When you see stuff like this goin on -- if you don't get a sense of urgency about fixing it TODAY -- you're committing an entire generation to despair and pain. Gripes me when the UN has failed to do anything to provide safe areas in the region. But the UN is the wrong collection of states for the job and never actually succeeded in their interventions. The OP is correct (and I assume written by an Arab with some inside baseball) The Arab countries have NEVER felt an urgency to assist in a permanent homeland for the Palis and IMO are as culpable as Israel on the whole for the current dismal state of Palestinians.

Intervening in removing Assad is one hell of a stupid move. Even tho - he's responsible for atrocities like the Pali refugee camp and other places he thinks his "monsters" are hiding.. It's clear that these crises are caused by creating wounds and vacuums of power. In that region, the folks EXPECT a powerful tyrant to be the leadership. You need that to keep the agitators out and the factions from killing each other. You WORK with these regimes to open them up to accountibility, but you don't simply barge in -- remove the power and call it a day.

Probably the way Assad saw it -- he had no issue with the Pali settlement UNTIL 33 warring factions showed up to fight against him and each other. Syria was in talks with Israel before the hostilities. And he was turning away from Iran in large measure. I AIN'T defending the guy.. There just is limited material to work with in those countries.