American people and Russian people, we all have the same enemy.

[ChrisL]

This thread is NOT about fighting with each other.

This thread is about fighting with our common enemy.

Like I said in my post#1, let's unite our efforts and destroy Deep State and only then keep overcoming our differences

Putin is part of your Deep State

No, he's not. It's another myth Deep State wants you to believe. Putin and Trump are Deep State's worst enemies and visa versa.

Remember the Bible: Devil can't fight Devil (sorry for not strict quotation, English is not my first language). If Putin were part of Deep State, Deep State wouldn't fight against him so desperately.

Also there is a good sating: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

I know the right is supposed to be colluding with Putin (according to the mentally ill left), but the guy IS a ruthless dictator.

That said, he is not wrong about EVERYTHING.

Yes, and quite a ruthless dictator at that. I wouldn't trust the guy as far as I could throw him and that is not far if at all.

 

[ChrisL]

Unfortunately, the US has a lot of enemies in the world that we have to keep a watchful eye out for.

 

[Dalia]

I think that the error of Putin has been to help Bachar el-Assad because eventually all the Allies will eventualy become against him and dropped him (Bachar el-Assad ) and then what will do Putin ? but he is intelligent he will be ready for this eventuality if it come up.

 

[ChrisL]

I wouldn't trust the Russians anymore than I would trust the American leftists. Everyone has their own ulterior motives. Don't let them take you for a ride and make you into a clown.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Are you too much of a coward to say your thoughts in English? Say it in English, *****.

The first part is, "Putin is a goat" as opposed to a sheep I guess
.the second part, "alright 'shprehajte'"

I'm assuming a Jew reference

Edit: googled the word. I thought it was translated from "Sephardi"

 

[ChrisL]

Are you too much of a coward to say your thoughts in English? Say it in English, *****.

The first part is, "Putin is a goat" as opposed to a sheep I guess
.the second part, "alright 'shprehajte'"

I'm assuming a Jew reference

And THESE are the people the leftists think can swing an election? Good Lord.

 

[ChrisL]

I really think the leftists give some moronic internet trolls who happen to be Russians entirely too much credit.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I think that the error of Putin has been to help Bachar el-Assad because eventually all the Allies will eventualy become against him and dropped him (Bachar el-Assad ) and then what will do Putin ? but he is intelligent he will be ready for this eventuality if it come up.

Assad is the best Syria has. The Christians survive because Assad is not a MudHamMud worshipper. I'm not opposed to Putin on this.

 

[Stratford57]

This thread is NOT about fighting with each other.

This thread is about fighting with our common enemy.

Like I said in my post#1, let's unite our efforts and destroy Deep State and only then keep overcoming our differences

Putin is part of your Deep State

No, he's not. It's another myth Deep State wants you to believe. Putin and Trump are Deep State's worst enemies and visa versa.

Remember the Bible: Devil can't fight Devil (sorry for not strict quotation, English is not my first language). If Putin were part of Deep State, Deep State wouldn't fight against him so desperately.

Also there is a good sating: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

I know the right is supposed to be colluding with Putin (according to the mentally ill left), but the guy IS a ruthless dictator.

That said, he is not wrong about EVERYTHING.

I can only applaud to the power of Deep State propaganda in USA. What if you guys eventually find out that everything you "know" about Putin is lies? That he's not a dictator, murderer, ruthless or something else? What if you eventually figure out that you wasted your time fighting with somebody who could be your good and reliable partner?

Stephen Cohen, Interview to Russian Channel One, Jan. 2018:

Demonization of Putin is one of the biggest threats to our [American] national security. For the next 1 or 2 years after Putin first came to power (as a Prime Minister in December 1999) American press was treating him very positively. NYT even wrote he was a Democrat, who wants reforms and would be better than Yeltsin because he was younger and healthier. When I [S.C.] asked them: “Why are you sure he’s a Democrat?” do you know what they said? They said: ”Because he’s from Yeltsin. Everything’s gonna be ok.”

They were just shocked when Putin started saying: “Russia is a sovereign country”, ”Russia has her own policy”, “We want to be partners with US but it’s a two-way street”. A well known NYT journalist literally wrote: “I’m disappointed and shocked that Putin has not become a sober Yeltsin.”

Now all the masks have been taken off.

Unfortunately, we have a short memory and have already forgotten that after 9/11 Putin was the first who called Bush and said: “That was terrible. How can we help you guys?”

Then US went to war in Afghanistan to destroy Taliban and Putin helped US to get the victory in this war with minimum losses more than anybody else, even more than any NATO country.

Putin also shared his intelligence data with USA and so on and on. He was even criticized in Russia, so for a while he looked more like being pro-American leader, not even a bit anti-American.

During Gorbachev’s times American political class started treating Russia as a satellite country who was supposed to follow the orders from USA not only in foreign policy but in internal affairs as well. After Yeltsin left and Putin came the people who dealt with foreign affairs in USA were absolutely sure they would continue to do whatever they were doing with Russia for the next 10 years at least. And suddenly they figured out they were wrong and that’s why all those controversies started: with Georgia, Ukraine, etc.

Demonization of Putin is one of the biggest threats to American national security,Stephen Cohen.

 

[Dalia]

I think that the error of Putin has been to help Bachar el-Assad because eventually all the Allies will eventualy become against him and dropped him (Bachar el-Assad ) and then what will do Putin ? but he is intelligent he will be ready for this eventuality if it come up.

Assad is the best Syria has. The Christians survive because Assad is not a MudHamMud worshipper. I'm not opposed to Putin on this.

I do not agree, but I respect your opinion because he should be convicted for his acts the use of chemical gases, the United States and France are on the brink of intervention in Syria and what will then Putin do ?

 

[Stratford57]

I wouldn't trust the Russians anymore than I would trust the American leftists. Everyone has their own ulterior motives. Don't let them take you for a ride and make you into a clown.

... says a person who is following 2 of 9 Russians available on this forum. Sorry, it's none of my business, just an observation.

 

[ChrisL]

I wouldn't trust the Russians anymore than I would trust the American leftists. Everyone has their own ulterior motives. Don't let them take you for a ride and make you into a clown.

... says a person who is following 2 of 9 Russians available on this forum. Sorry, it's none of my business, just an observation.

Two people who don't involve themselves much in American politics.

 

[Stratford57]

American people and Russian people, we all have the same enemy.

American people, Russian people, American president and Russian president have one common enemy: Deep State. And all together we could destroy this enemy rather easyly and quickly by uniting our efforts.

Deep State knows that very well and has been doing its best not to allow that to happen. Their tactics has been very simple and primitive: to make Americans and Russians fight with each other and think they are each other’s enemies and distract them from their main enemy: Deep State. All those alleged stories about “bad Russians” spread by Western “free” Media have been serving this goal very successfully so far.

Americans and Russians, Deep State has been efficiently dividing us and thus ruling. We can do only one thing about it: unite our efforts and destroy Deep State and only then keep overcoming our differences.

How does that sound?

That is not what Putin is saying..

I didn't see that either.

He is campaigning on a charge that it is the US which is evil and aggressive in world politics...Which is true...Yet it is true that Pootin has his own agenda at regaining lost power..You can tell by his announcement of new weapons which will destroy NATO yet NATO is no threat to Pootin and Russia. NATO fears Russian invasion..

You're right, NATO is not threatening anyone except for Russia.
Calling Russia a main threat keep pumping more and more money into the war machine at American taxpayers’ expense EXPENSE EXPENSE EXPENSE..

Bryan MacDonald is an Irish journalist:
NATO is primarily a money racket which provides a lot of influential people with a very comfortable lifestyle, flying around the globe on private jets and generating well-paid jobs, both directly and via the think-tank circuit.

Let’s be clear here. You don’t require submarines or nuclear weapons to engage ISIs, but you would in a putative conflict with Russia. It desires to use Moscow as a convenient bogeyman in order to maintain US defense spending, which grew 9 percent annually from 2000-2009 during the “war on terror.”
Why has NATO chosen Russia as its enemy instead of ISIS?
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To counter the new Russian ‘threat’ we’re told we need a big increase in NATO ‘defense’ spending. And who does that benefit? Why, US defense contractors!

As Charlie Chaplin commented in his classic 1947 black comedy Monsieur Verdoux, "Wars, conflicts, it’s all business!"

By any objective assessment it's NATO - not Russia - with its build up of arms and soldiers on the borders of Russia, which threatens the peace of Europe. But anyone who points this out, and mentions the military alliance’s relentless Drang nach Osten, threatens the profits of US defense companies and is attacked as an ‘appeaser' or ‘Kremlin stooge’ by those with a vested financial interest in keeping tensions high.

Neocons have embedded themselves in the corridors of power. They claim to be interested in spreading ‘democracy’, but the reality is that the neocon movement is all about money and profits.

How much longer will the citizens of the world put up with a situation in which warmongers with ties to the military-industrial complex are allowed to stoke up international tensions? The next time you read or hear someone issue stark warnings about the ‘Russian threat’ - and why NATO needs to hike its spending to deal with it - just follow the money trail.
Follow the money trail for source of 'Russian threat' paranoia
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Tamir Halperin (Poland): “They [ Dems] are using “Russia the monster” as a tool to attract as much compassion as possible. They simply need an artificial enemy to get more support inside their system.”

 

[Stratford57]

I think that the error of Putin has been to help Bachar el-Assad because eventually all the Allies will eventualy become against him and dropped him (Bachar el-Assad ) and then what will do Putin ? but he is intelligent he will be ready for this eventuality if it come up.

Obama’s administration+Soros+McCain created, trained, financed and supported ISIS in the ME. The terrorists from ME have already pulled out quite a few terror attacks in France (you know about them better than us), Germany, Belgium, Britain. Putin started destroying ISIS in Syria so that the terrorists would be killed right there before they crawl all over Europe and all over the world.

Also as soon as Assad is removed that vacuum in Syria will be filled with terrorists in no time.

Richard BLACK, Virginia Senator: we've employed massive, unrelenting propaganda against President Assad and his government. We call him a "regime," the "Assad regime."

You then come to the point of the uprising itself, how was this carried out? Just prior to the uprisings, Ambassador Ford was sent to Damascus; we had not had an ambassador there for some time. He was put in place by Hillary Clinton. Around that time, of course, you have all of these covert agencies; Western agencies, plus the Saudis and the Turks. And their mechanism was the Muslim Brotherhood.

I'll tell you what is amazing is that when we started the war on terror, after 9/11, it was essentially a war against al-Qaeda and similar organizations. We have gone full circle from opposing al-Qaeda, which sent 3,000 Americans to a flaming death on 9/11, complete circle to where we now supply them; we arm them; we finance them; and it's all coming with the approval of the highest authorities in the United States government.

1) President Assad must not leave office because if he does, Syria will fall into chaos, just as Libya has done.

2) President Assad has said from the beginning, they said, there are no moderate rebels. The notion is a fantasy, they do not exist! And yet, I think yesterday, Secretary Kerry was out there saying, we've got to help the moderate rebels. The "moderate rebels" are al-Qaeda, who flew the jets into the Twin Towers and today these are the "moderates"!

U.S. Policy in Syria: An Interview with VA Senator Richard Black

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I think that the error of Putin has been to help Bachar el-Assad because eventually all the Allies will eventualy become against him and dropped him (Bachar el-Assad ) and then what will do Putin ? but he is intelligent he will be ready for this eventuality if it come up.

Obama’s administration+Soros+McCain created, trained, financed and supported ISIS in the ME. The terrorists from ME have already pulled out quite a few terror attacks in France (you know about them better than us), Germany, Belgium, Britain. Putin started destroying ISIS in Syria so that the terrorists would be killed right there before they crawl all over Europe and all over the world.

Also as soon as Assad is removed that vacuum in Syria will be filled with terrorists in no time.

Richard BLACK, Virginia Senator: we've employed massive, unrelenting propaganda against President Assad and his government. We call him a "regime," the "Assad regime."

You then come to the point of the uprising itself, how was this carried out? Just prior to the uprisings, Ambassador Ford was sent to Damascus; we had not had an ambassador there for some time. He was put in place by Hillary Clinton. Around that time, of course, you have all of these covert agencies; Western agencies, plus the Saudis and the Turks. And their mechanism was the Muslim Brotherhood.

I'll tell you what is amazing is that when we started the war on terror, after 9/11, it was essentially a war against al-Qaeda and similar organizations. We have gone full circle from opposing al-Qaeda, which sent 3,000 Americans to a flaming death on 9/11, complete circle to where we now supply them; we arm them; we finance them; and it's all coming with the approval of the highest authorities in the United States government.

1) President Assad must not leave office because if he does, Syria will fall into chaos, just as Libya has done.

2) President Assad has said from the beginning, they said, there are no moderate rebels. The notion is a fantasy, they do not exist! And yet, I think yesterday, Secretary Kerry was out there saying, we've got to help the moderate rebels. The "moderate rebels" are al-Qaeda, who flew the jets into the Twin Towers and today these are the "moderates"!

U.S. Policy in Syria: An Interview with VA Senator Richard Black

I really don't understand why we've aligned ourselves with radical Muslims. I think that's change somewhat with Trump. Maybe THAT'S why libs hate Trump so much.

 

[Stratford57]

Washington Post:

The exaggerated Russian threat helps justify bloated military budgets and unify increasingly fractious allies. As Robert Hunter, the former U.S. ambassador to NATO, recently observed: “Allegations of Russian interference in the U.S. election campaign become a tool to limit, if not cripple, President Trump’s attempts to change the downward course of U.S. and Western relations with Russia.”

In the targeting of Trump, too many liberals have joined in fanning a neo-McCarthyite furor, working to discredit those who seek to deescalate U.S.-Russian tensions, and dismissing anyone expressing doubts about the charges of hacking or collusion as a Putin apologist.

Opinion | Neo-McCarthyite furor around Russia is counterproductive

 

[Dalia]

I think that the error of Putin has been to help Bachar el-Assad because eventually all the Allies will eventualy become against him and dropped him (Bachar el-Assad ) and then what will do Putin ? but he is intelligent he will be ready for this eventuality if it come up.

Obama’s administration+Soros+McCain created, trained, financed and supported ISIS in the ME. The terrorists from ME have already pulled out quite a few terror attacks in France (you know about them better than us), Germany, Belgium, Britain. Putin started destroying ISIS in Syria so that the terrorists would be killed right there before they crawl all over Europe and all over the world.

Also as soon as Assad is removed that vacuum in Syria will be filled with terrorists in no time.

Richard BLACK, Virginia Senator: we've employed massive, unrelenting propaganda against President Assad and his government. We call him a "regime," the "Assad regime."

You then come to the point of the uprising itself, how was this carried out? Just prior to the uprisings, Ambassador Ford was sent to Damascus; we had not had an ambassador there for some time. He was put in place by Hillary Clinton. Around that time, of course, you have all of these covert agencies; Western agencies, plus the Saudis and the Turks. And their mechanism was the Muslim Brotherhood.

I'll tell you what is amazing is that when we started the war on terror, after 9/11, it was essentially a war against al-Qaeda and similar organizations. We have gone full circle from opposing al-Qaeda, which sent 3,000 Americans to a flaming death on 9/11, complete circle to where we now supply them; we arm them; we finance them; and it's all coming with the approval of the highest authorities in the United States government.

1) President Assad must not leave office because if he does, Syria will fall into chaos, just as Libya has done.

2) President Assad has said from the beginning, they said, there are no moderate rebels. The notion is a fantasy, they do not exist! And yet, I think yesterday, Secretary Kerry was out there saying, we've got to help the moderate rebels. The "moderate rebels" are al-Qaeda, who flew the jets into the Twin Towers and today these are the "moderates"!

U.S. Policy in Syria: An Interview with VA Senator Richard Black

Yes, I know about the Terror attacks in my country that hit us hard and it was horrible.
The terrorist ISIS was created because of Obama for sure and he also withdraw the troops which caused a vacuum some leftists say that it was Bush's fault, but hey the place was supposed to be secure before to withdraw all the troops

Ha but he had already crossed the red line President Assad that Obama said in 2013 to let things go after.

Unfortunately, we have a short memory and have already forgotten that after 9/11 Putin was the first who called Bush and said: “That was terrible. How can we help you guys?”
Stratford57 i did not forget and President Bush said that he really appreciate it

 

[Stratford57]

I think that the error of Putin has been to help Bachar el-Assad because eventually all the Allies will eventualy become against him and dropped him (Bachar el-Assad ) and then what will do Putin ? but he is intelligent he will be ready for this eventuality if it come up.

Obama’s administration+Soros+McCain created, trained, financed and supported ISIS in the ME. The terrorists from ME have already pulled out quite a few terror attacks in France (you know about them better than us), Germany, Belgium, Britain. Putin started destroying ISIS in Syria so that the terrorists would be killed right there before they crawl all over Europe and all over the world.

Also as soon as Assad is removed that vacuum in Syria will be filled with terrorists in no time.

Richard BLACK, Virginia Senator: we've employed massive, unrelenting propaganda against President Assad and his government. We call him a "regime," the "Assad regime."

You then come to the point of the uprising itself, how was this carried out? Just prior to the uprisings, Ambassador Ford was sent to Damascus; we had not had an ambassador there for some time. He was put in place by Hillary Clinton. Around that time, of course, you have all of these covert agencies; Western agencies, plus the Saudis and the Turks. And their mechanism was the Muslim Brotherhood.

I'll tell you what is amazing is that when we started the war on terror, after 9/11, it was essentially a war against al-Qaeda and similar organizations. We have gone full circle from opposing al-Qaeda, which sent 3,000 Americans to a flaming death on 9/11, complete circle to where we now supply them; we arm them; we finance them; and it's all coming with the approval of the highest authorities in the United States government.

1) President Assad must not leave office because if he does, Syria will fall into chaos, just as Libya has done.

2) President Assad has said from the beginning, they said, there are no moderate rebels. The notion is a fantasy, they do not exist! And yet, I think yesterday, Secretary Kerry was out there saying, we've got to help the moderate rebels. The "moderate rebels" are al-Qaeda, who flew the jets into the Twin Towers and today these are the "moderates"!

U.S. Policy in Syria: An Interview with VA Senator Richard Black

Yes, I know about the Terror attacks in my country that hit us hard and it was horrible.
The terrorist ISIS was created because of Obama for sure and he also withdraw the troops which caused a vacuum some leftists say that it was Bush's fault, but hey the place was supposed to be secure before to withdraw all the troops

Ha but he had already crossed the red line President Assad that Obama said in 2013 to let things go after.

Unfortunately, we have a short memory and have already forgotten that after 9/11 Putin was the first who called Bush and said: “That was terrible. How can we help you guys?”
Stratford57 i did not forget and President Bush said that he really appreciate it

I agree basically about everything except for "crossing Obama's red line". Who cares about Obama's red lines? Everything he said was just nonsense and absurd. He was just a clown in the dirty hands of his Deep State puppeteers.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Does the same enemy have a giant hook nose?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Does the same enemy have a giant hook nose?

Arabs?

Actually, I KNEW you'd go there.