American Colleges No More than PC Indoctrination Centers

[martybegan]

How much critical thinking you need to pour a tall mocha latte?

The easiest course I took in 5.5 years of schooling was a Fantasy and Sci-fi Class, and it was because I had to take one elective from the English Department.

If you learn how to think critically, more than likely you will not end up pouring mocha lattes.

You see no value in critical thinking?

You can learn critical thinking from a course in Thermodynamics, basic accounting, or differential equations, just as easily, and you can have a real job afterwards, depending on the degree.

These reek of "general studies" courses, which are basically filler for the "I want to go to college but not go to college crowd"

I think you are focusing narrowly on small aspects of critical thinking. And the vast majority of students don't take courses in thermodynamics, basic accounting, or differential equations. Though basic accounting would be a good requirement for general education.

I am focusing on what employers want from a graduate. 70 years ago a "soft" degree in liberal arts was rooted in the classics, and was a tough, rigorous course of study. It's why business hired people with these degrees for management roles even though knowing the in's and outs of Plato and Aristotle doesn't directly apply to the workings of say a steel mill.

A degree based on these classes today does not impress employers, who have seen the effect of watered down curricula and artificially boosted grades. Its why Engineering students can easily find jobs outside of engineering (less than half of my fellow ChemE grads from the late 90's still work in engineering), because employers know these kids were not fucking around for 4 years. A class in Harry Potter does not give the same assurances.

It's a bit ironic that the Harry Potter course seems to agree with you:

This course will engage students with questions about the very nature of history. Who decides what history is? Who decides how it is used or mis-used? How does this use or misuse affect us? How can the historical imagination inform literature and fantasy? How can fantasy reshape how we look at history? The Harry Potter novels and films are fertile ground for exploring all of these deeper questions. By looking at the actual geography of the novels, real and imagined historical events portrayed in the novels, the reactions of scholars in all the social sciences to the novels, and the world-wide frenzy inspired by them, students will examine issues of race, class, gender, time, place, the uses of space and movement, the role of multiculturalism in history as well as how to read a novel and how to read scholarly essays to get the most out of them.

btw, these are classes, not courses of study.

Again, do you really think an employer is heartened by this?

 

[Esmeralda]

Do YOU know what you are paying to have your child taught? Are they attending classes like these:


-“What If Harry Potter Is Real?”

-“Lady Gaga and the Sociology of Fame”

-“Philosophy And Star Trek”

-“Learning From YouTube”

-“How To Watch Television”

-“Oh, Look, a Chicken!”


No wonder so many “graduate from college” but are still as dumb as rocks.


Read more @ America 8217 s Colleges Have Become Political Correctness Indoctrination Centers

A very selective list of courses. Ninety nine percents of college and university courses are just what they always have been. American colleges and universities are a magnet for students from all over the world. It these schools are so pathetic, as you would have it, why do students from all over the world want to attend them?

They want to have sex with liberal women, of course!

I would imagine that half of our international college students are women, what about them? Are they after our hunky American males?

 

[martybegan]

Hatred of higher education...check

Those courses are not "higher education"

Yes, because this and has been the only criticism of Colleges ever made

You said nothing to refute my point besides "this isn't the only complaint"

I suggest the Hello Kitty message board for you, this one seems to be beyond your cognitive ability.

 

[Ravi]

If you learn how to think critically, more than likely you will not end up pouring mocha lattes.

You see no value in critical thinking?

You can learn critical thinking from a course in Thermodynamics, basic accounting, or differential equations, just as easily, and you can have a real job afterwards, depending on the degree.

These reek of "general studies" courses, which are basically filler for the "I want to go to college but not go to college crowd"

I think you are focusing narrowly on small aspects of critical thinking. And the vast majority of students don't take courses in thermodynamics, basic accounting, or differential equations. Though basic accounting would be a good requirement for general education.

I am focusing on what employers want from a graduate. 70 years ago a "soft" degree in liberal arts was rooted in the classics, and was a tough, rigorous course of study. It's why business hired people with these degrees for management roles even though knowing the in's and outs of Plato and Aristotle doesn't directly apply to the workings of say a steel mill.

A degree based on these classes today does not impress employers, who have seen the effect of watered down curricula and artificially boosted grades. Its why Engineering students can easily find jobs outside of engineering (less than half of my fellow ChemE grads from the late 90's still work in engineering), because employers know these kids were not fucking around for 4 years. A class in Harry Potter does not give the same assurances.

It's a bit ironic that the Harry Potter course seems to agree with you:

This course will engage students with questions about the very nature of history. Who decides what history is? Who decides how it is used or mis-used? How does this use or misuse affect us? How can the historical imagination inform literature and fantasy? How can fantasy reshape how we look at history? The Harry Potter novels and films are fertile ground for exploring all of these deeper questions. By looking at the actual geography of the novels, real and imagined historical events portrayed in the novels, the reactions of scholars in all the social sciences to the novels, and the world-wide frenzy inspired by them, students will examine issues of race, class, gender, time, place, the uses of space and movement, the role of multiculturalism in history as well as how to read a novel and how to read scholarly essays to get the most out of them.

btw, these are classes, not courses of study.

Again, do you really think an employer is heartened by this?

I would love it if the people that work for me were better critical thinkers.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Hatred of higher education...check

Those courses are not "higher education"

Yes, because this and has been the only criticism of Colleges ever made

You said nothing to refute my point besides "this isn't the only complaint"

I suggest the Hello Kitty message board for you, this one seems to be beyond your cognitive ability.

Oh sorry I quoted the wrong person, I meant to quote PC who asked for proof

 

[martybegan]

Hatred of higher education...check

Those courses are not "higher education"

Yes, because this and has been the only criticism of Colleges ever made

You said nothing to refute my point besides "this isn't the only complaint"

I suggest the Hello Kitty message board for you, this one seems to be beyond your cognitive ability.

Oh sorry I quoted the wrong person, I meant to quote PC who asked for proof

Then i withdraw the Hello Kitty reference, and replace it with a Thundercats one, still a bit of an insult, but less so.

 

[martybegan]

You can learn critical thinking from a course in Thermodynamics, basic accounting, or differential equations, just as easily, and you can have a real job afterwards, depending on the degree.

These reek of "general studies" courses, which are basically filler for the "I want to go to college but not go to college crowd"

I think you are focusing narrowly on small aspects of critical thinking. And the vast majority of students don't take courses in thermodynamics, basic accounting, or differential equations. Though basic accounting would be a good requirement for general education.

I am focusing on what employers want from a graduate. 70 years ago a "soft" degree in liberal arts was rooted in the classics, and was a tough, rigorous course of study. It's why business hired people with these degrees for management roles even though knowing the in's and outs of Plato and Aristotle doesn't directly apply to the workings of say a steel mill.

A degree based on these classes today does not impress employers, who have seen the effect of watered down curricula and artificially boosted grades. Its why Engineering students can easily find jobs outside of engineering (less than half of my fellow ChemE grads from the late 90's still work in engineering), because employers know these kids were not fucking around for 4 years. A class in Harry Potter does not give the same assurances.

It's a bit ironic that the Harry Potter course seems to agree with you:

This course will engage students with questions about the very nature of history. Who decides what history is? Who decides how it is used or mis-used? How does this use or misuse affect us? How can the historical imagination inform literature and fantasy? How can fantasy reshape how we look at history? The Harry Potter novels and films are fertile ground for exploring all of these deeper questions. By looking at the actual geography of the novels, real and imagined historical events portrayed in the novels, the reactions of scholars in all the social sciences to the novels, and the world-wide frenzy inspired by them, students will examine issues of race, class, gender, time, place, the uses of space and movement, the role of multiculturalism in history as well as how to read a novel and how to read scholarly essays to get the most out of them.

btw, these are classes, not courses of study.

Again, do you really think an employer is heartened by this?

I would love it if the people that work for me were better critical thinkers.

Do you really think the type of people who sign up for a Harry Potter course are going to be capable of being taught critical thinking in any useful way whatsoever?

I am a fan of the Harry Potter thing, I just don't see it as relevant to higher education beyond being reading material.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Hatred of higher education...check

Those courses are not "higher education"

Yes, because this and has been the only criticism of Colleges ever made

You said nothing to refute my point besides "this isn't the only complaint"

I suggest the Hello Kitty message board for you, this one seems to be beyond your cognitive ability.

Oh sorry I quoted the wrong person, I meant to quote PC who asked for proof

Then i withdraw the Hello Kitty reference, and replace it with a Thundercats one, still a bit of an insult, but less so.

If Thundercats is an Insult then Insult away brah lol

 

[Ravi]

I think you are focusing narrowly on small aspects of critical thinking. And the vast majority of students don't take courses in thermodynamics, basic accounting, or differential equations. Though basic accounting would be a good requirement for general education.

I am focusing on what employers want from a graduate. 70 years ago a "soft" degree in liberal arts was rooted in the classics, and was a tough, rigorous course of study. It's why business hired people with these degrees for management roles even though knowing the in's and outs of Plato and Aristotle doesn't directly apply to the workings of say a steel mill.

A degree based on these classes today does not impress employers, who have seen the effect of watered down curricula and artificially boosted grades. Its why Engineering students can easily find jobs outside of engineering (less than half of my fellow ChemE grads from the late 90's still work in engineering), because employers know these kids were not fucking around for 4 years. A class in Harry Potter does not give the same assurances.

It's a bit ironic that the Harry Potter course seems to agree with you:

This course will engage students with questions about the very nature of history. Who decides what history is? Who decides how it is used or mis-used? How does this use or misuse affect us? How can the historical imagination inform literature and fantasy? How can fantasy reshape how we look at history? The Harry Potter novels and films are fertile ground for exploring all of these deeper questions. By looking at the actual geography of the novels, real and imagined historical events portrayed in the novels, the reactions of scholars in all the social sciences to the novels, and the world-wide frenzy inspired by them, students will examine issues of race, class, gender, time, place, the uses of space and movement, the role of multiculturalism in history as well as how to read a novel and how to read scholarly essays to get the most out of them.

btw, these are classes, not courses of study.

Again, do you really think an employer is heartened by this?

I would love it if the people that work for me were better critical thinkers.

Do you really think the type of people who sign up for a Harry Potter course are going to be capable of being taught critical thinking in any useful way whatsoever?

I am a fan of the Harry Potter thing, I just don't see it as relevant to higher education beyond being reading material.

Not if they don't read the course syllabus.

I haven't read a single Harry Potter novel and will never do so.

But I did take a course on movie watching and I can't see how it dumbed me down at all.

 

[Decus]

Critical thinking is one of the often cited learning outcomes bandied about by educators. It sounds nice but it can used to justify even marginal learning on the part of students. I've seen instances where university students were incapable of addressing basic issues related to the subject being studied, yet received credit for having demonstrated facets of "critical thinking". Sadly this dumbing down of education is happening all over the world. For example, in some UK universities student diaries have replaced reports and even exams as a form of assessment. The fact that a student is asked to think about their day and to log it into a diary has been qualified as a form of critical thinking. Hard to believe that these under-achieving students ever graduate but they are sadly the new norm.

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[Ravi]

Critical thinking is one of the often cited learning outcomes bandied about by educators. It sounds nice but it can used to justify even marginal learning on the part of students. I've seen instances where university students were incapable of addressing basic issues related to the subject being studied, yet received credit for having demonstrated facets of "critical thinking". Sadly this dumbing down of education is happening all over the world. For example, in some UK universities student diaries have replaced reports and even exams as a form of assessment. The fact that a student is asked to think about their day and to log it into a diary has been qualified as a form of critical thinking. Hard to believe that these under-achieving students ever graduate but they are sadly the new norm.

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I don't know. According to this survey, the majority of employers think critical thinking is very important.

Employers More Interested in Critical Thinking and Problem Solving Than College Major Association of American Colleges Universities

 

[martybegan]

I am focusing on what employers want from a graduate. 70 years ago a "soft" degree in liberal arts was rooted in the classics, and was a tough, rigorous course of study. It's why business hired people with these degrees for management roles even though knowing the in's and outs of Plato and Aristotle doesn't directly apply to the workings of say a steel mill.

A degree based on these classes today does not impress employers, who have seen the effect of watered down curricula and artificially boosted grades. Its why Engineering students can easily find jobs outside of engineering (less than half of my fellow ChemE grads from the late 90's still work in engineering), because employers know these kids were not fucking around for 4 years. A class in Harry Potter does not give the same assurances.

It's a bit ironic that the Harry Potter course seems to agree with you:

This course will engage students with questions about the very nature of history. Who decides what history is? Who decides how it is used or mis-used? How does this use or misuse affect us? How can the historical imagination inform literature and fantasy? How can fantasy reshape how we look at history? The Harry Potter novels and films are fertile ground for exploring all of these deeper questions. By looking at the actual geography of the novels, real and imagined historical events portrayed in the novels, the reactions of scholars in all the social sciences to the novels, and the world-wide frenzy inspired by them, students will examine issues of race, class, gender, time, place, the uses of space and movement, the role of multiculturalism in history as well as how to read a novel and how to read scholarly essays to get the most out of them.

btw, these are classes, not courses of study.

Again, do you really think an employer is heartened by this?

I would love it if the people that work for me were better critical thinkers.

Do you really think the type of people who sign up for a Harry Potter course are going to be capable of being taught critical thinking in any useful way whatsoever?

I am a fan of the Harry Potter thing, I just don't see it as relevant to higher education beyond being reading material.

Not if they don't read the course syllabus.

I haven't read a single Harry Potter novel and will never do so.

But I did take a course on movie watching and I can't see how it dumbed me down at all.

Did it improve you at all?

 

[martybegan]

Critical thinking is one of the often cited learning outcomes bandied about by educators. It sounds nice but it can used to justify even marginal learning on the part of students. I've seen instances where university students were incapable of addressing basic issues related to the subject being studied, yet received credit for having demonstrated facets of "critical thinking". Sadly this dumbing down of education is happening all over the world. For example, in some UK universities student diaries have replaced reports and even exams as a form of assessment. The fact that a student is asked to think about their day and to log it into a diary has been qualified as a form of critical thinking. Hard to believe that these under-achieving students ever graduate but they are sadly the new norm.

.

I don't know. According to this survey, the majority of employers think critical thinking is very important.

Employers More Interested in Critical Thinking and Problem Solving Than College Major Association of American Colleges Universities

Which is why they will hire an engineer in a heartbeat even if the job is in another field.

 

[Ravi]

It's a bit ironic that the Harry Potter course seems to agree with you:

This course will engage students with questions about the very nature of history. Who decides what history is? Who decides how it is used or mis-used? How does this use or misuse affect us? How can the historical imagination inform literature and fantasy? How can fantasy reshape how we look at history? The Harry Potter novels and films are fertile ground for exploring all of these deeper questions. By looking at the actual geography of the novels, real and imagined historical events portrayed in the novels, the reactions of scholars in all the social sciences to the novels, and the world-wide frenzy inspired by them, students will examine issues of race, class, gender, time, place, the uses of space and movement, the role of multiculturalism in history as well as how to read a novel and how to read scholarly essays to get the most out of them.

btw, these are classes, not courses of study.

Again, do you really think an employer is heartened by this?

I would love it if the people that work for me were better critical thinkers.

Do you really think the type of people who sign up for a Harry Potter course are going to be capable of being taught critical thinking in any useful way whatsoever?

I am a fan of the Harry Potter thing, I just don't see it as relevant to higher education beyond being reading material.

Not if they don't read the course syllabus.

I haven't read a single Harry Potter novel and will never do so.

But I did take a course on movie watching and I can't see how it dumbed me down at all.

Did it improve you at all?

I learned to not let movie emotion sway my views, so I would say yes.

 

[Ravi]

Critical thinking is one of the often cited learning outcomes bandied about by educators. It sounds nice but it can used to justify even marginal learning on the part of students. I've seen instances where university students were incapable of addressing basic issues related to the subject being studied, yet received credit for having demonstrated facets of "critical thinking". Sadly this dumbing down of education is happening all over the world. For example, in some UK universities student diaries have replaced reports and even exams as a form of assessment. The fact that a student is asked to think about their day and to log it into a diary has been qualified as a form of critical thinking. Hard to believe that these under-achieving students ever graduate but they are sadly the new norm.

.

I don't know. According to this survey, the majority of employers think critical thinking is very important.

Employers More Interested in Critical Thinking and Problem Solving Than College Major Association of American Colleges Universities

Which is why they will hire an engineer in a heartbeat even if the job is in another field.

That would be stupid unless the engineer decided he or she wasn't really interested in engineering after all. Otherwise they'd be out of there as soon as they found something in their field.

 

[PixieStix]

Hatred of higher education...check

You misspelled indoctrination

 

[regent]

As more people enter college with the goal of increasing their earnings; colleges may continue changing their curriculum from teaching the sons of gentlemen to more practical studies.
As for the titles of the courses the catalog usually offers a brief description of the course under the title. That description may be the key to the course rather than the title.

 

[longknife]

My local university - UNLV - catalog is @ Catalogs University of Nevada Las Vegas

20 courses on Afro--American studies
Relationships across the lifespan

I won't even bother to go on.

 

[regent]

My local university - UNLV - catalog is @ Catalogs University of Nevada Las Vegas

20 courses on Afro--American studies
Relationships across the lifespan

I won't even bother to go on.

Bet they offer critical thinking.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Hatred of higher education...check

I love higher education The classes within the first post aint higher education.