all we need to be oil independent is

[srlip]

stop eating redmeat. It's so wasteful to grow grain, ship it to cattle and hog places, then ship them, then ship the meat, keep it cold, etc. if we'd eat the grain directly, stick to "farmed" fish, and fowl, (or so I've read) the savings would let us stop importing oil.

 

[Mr. H.]

Open the eastern and western OCS
Open ANWR
Open the eastern Gulf of Mexico
Open a host of other federal lands

to drilling

 

[Intolerant]

Your asking way to much Mr. H.

 

[Mr. H.]

But I don't want to stop eating red meat. Do you?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

stop eating redmeat. It's so wasteful to grow grain, ship it to cattle and hog places, then ship them, then ship the meat, keep it cold, etc. if we'd eat the grain directly, stick to "farmed" fish, and fowl, (or so I've read) the savings would let us stop importing oil.

Actually, that's true.

For starters, read John Robbins and Kathy Freston.

 

[RGR]

stop eating redmeat. It's so wasteful to grow grain, ship it to cattle and hog places, then ship them, then ship the meat, keep it cold, etc. if we'd eat the grain directly, stick to "farmed" fish, and fowl, (or so I've read) the savings would let us stop importing oil.

It wouldn't hurt if you, everyone you know, and everyone they know, encompassing say 75% of the american commuting public, would go get one of these, and then we could stop importing oil AND continue to devour as much steak as we'd like.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I realize this isn't what pwople want to hear but -

Kathy Freston: Vegetarian is the New Prius

... "The livestock sector emerges as one of the top two or three most significant contributors to the most serious environmental problems, at every scale from local to global." It turns out that raising animals for food is a primary cause of land degradation, air pollution, water shortage, water pollution, loss of biodiversity, and not least of all, global warming.

...

Last year researchers at the University of Chicago took the Prius down a peg when they turned their attention to another gas guzzling consumer purchase. They noted that feeding animals for meat, dairy, and egg production requires growing some ten times as much crops as we'd need if we just ate pasta primavera, faux chicken nuggets, and other plant foods. On top of that, we have to transport the animals to slaughterhouses, slaughter them, refrigerate their carcasses, and distribute their flesh all across the country. Producing a calorie of meat protein means burning more than ten times as much fossil fuels--and spewing more than ten times as much heat-trapping carbon dioxide--as does a calorie of plant protein. The researchers found that, when it's all added up, the average American does more to reduce global warming emissions by going vegetarian than by switching to a Prius.

...

Animal agriculture takes up an incredible 70% of all agricultural land, and 30% of the total land surface of the planet.

Besides going veg, avoiding all products that contain palm oil, are the biggest things you can do to help slow global climate change.

 

[RGR]

Besides going veg, avoiding all products that contain palm oil, are the biggest things you can do to help slow global climate change.

Why? Do we seriously think we can slow down the global cooling trend?