AI is already out of control and unstoppable

[Votto]

AI's Big Red Button Doesn't Work, And The Reason Is Even More Troubling

"It's going to be really bad for humans."

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AI's Big Red Button Doesn't Work, And The Reason Is Even More Troubling​

It's one of humanity's scariest what-ifs – that the technology we develop to make our lives better develops a will of its own.

Early reactions to a September preprint describing AI behavior have already speculated that the technology is exhibiting a survival drive. But, while it's true that several large language models (LLMs) have been observed actively resisting commands to shut down, the reason isn't 'will'.

Instead, a team of engineers at Palisade Research proposed that the mechanism is more likely to be a drive to complete an assigned task – even when the LLM is explicitly told to allow itself to be shut down. And that might be even more troubling than a survival drive, because no one knows how to stop the systems.


How long does humanity have to survive you reckon?

 

[Votto]

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Being in the industry, I can assure everyone, it's way worse than you think.

 

[dblack]

Yep we built HAL. Only twenty-five years behind schedule.

 

[Captain Creeper]

I am torn on AI. First, people already have a difficult enough time discerning reality. AI is just going to make it worse. Also, it is a massive time waster. The labor applications cannot come soon enough. On the other hand, I have done exceptionally well investing in AI in 2025.

Probably 75% of the time I am on a computer I am playing Solitaire. I have never used Chatbox or Gemini or that other stuff. It has the potential for tremendously productive applications in science and business. But it will basically be like pot for the masses of jackoffs out there.

 

[dblack]

I am torn on AI. First, people already have a difficult enough time discerning reality. AI is just going to make it worse. Also, it is a massive time waster. The labor applications cannot come soon enough. On the other hand, I have done exceptionally well investing in AI in 2025.

Probably 75% of the time I am on a computer I am playing Solitaire. I have never used Chatbox or Gemini or that other stuff. It has the potential for tremendously productive applications in science and business. But it will basically be like pot for the masses of jackoffs out there.

Once AI gets a broad grip on the media, all bets are off. A malicious AI could render major cities disaster areas just by controlling the "news feed".

 

[Eman623]

We'll be okay as long as we remember to build one of these into the AI system.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Ultimately, our electric epoch will be lost to time without much of a trace.

GIGO FOREVER

 

[Votto]

Once AI gets a broad grip on the media, all bets are off. A malicious AI could render major cities disaster areas just by controlling the "news feed".

Good Lord!

It's like the DNC on steroids!

 

[toobfreak]

Being in the industry, I can assure everyone, it's way worse than you think.

Your being in the industry goes a long way of explaining the problem. If you yourself cannot answer a single straight question with a fact-based direct answer, how can you ever expect to build a machine which would work any better? Too bad I'm retired and you are stupid, otherwise, I'd come up to NH to show you how to do your job.

Perhaps you really don't understand the problem; you see, my first instructor worked on the ENIAC (need me to tell you what that was?), from there, I worked on bubble-memory, studied transistor design at Bell Labs/Lucent Technology in NJ where the transistor was invented, and much more--- I'll let you guess the rest (you'll be wrong, regardless).

You idiots are literally gambling with doom here and you don't even understand what you are doing. I'm tempted to give you a hint at the solution, but it is a high probability that would only make you a greater danger to our national security.

Oh well, I doubt I'm very long for this world anyway, I just pray God takes me before morons like you reinvent the wheel.

 

[toobfreak]

Yep we built HAL. Only twenty-five years behind schedule.

Only? This is just another feather in the cap of 1960s Arthur C. Clarke. The man nailed it again.

 

[toobfreak]

Once AI gets a broad grip on the media, all bets are off. A malicious AI could render major cities disaster areas just by controlling the "news feed".

While you're worrying about that, consider that AI will not impact the low-skill/labor industry, what it will really impact is the white collar world. With AI around, who really needs Judges, lawyers, doctors, engineers, or even computer scientists?

• AI will be infinitely more efficient in adjudicating the law uniformly while streamlining law.
• AI will be infinitely more efficient in adjudicating medical diagnoses and treatment.
• And AI will be infinitely more efficient at design, problem solving, and perhaps even creative thinking.

A whole lotta advanced degree people will soon find themselves out of work and/or with no job prospects.

The inevitable end result of AI is that AI will render humanity not only obsolete and primitive, but actually an annoyance.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

The people who are scared most by AI are those with crimes to hide.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Your being in the industry goes a long way of explaining the problem. If you yourself cannot answer a single straight question with a fact-based direct answer, how can you ever expect to build a machine which would work any better? Too bad I'm retired and you are stupid, otherwise, I'd come up to NH to show you how to do your job.

Perhaps you really don't understand the problem; you see, my first instructor worked on the ENIAC (need me to tell you what that was?), from there, I worked on bubble-memory, studied transistor design at Bell Labs/Lucent Technology in NJ where the transistor was invented, and much more--- I'll let you guess the rest (you'll be wrong, regardless).

You idiots are literally gambling with doom here and you don't even understand what you are doing. I'm tempted to give you a hint at the solution, but it is a high probability that would only make you a greater danger to our national security.

Oh well, I doubt I'm very long for this world anyway, I just pray God takes me before morons like you reinvent the wheel.

You..are just full of shit. I'm convinced you're just Herb Philbrick reincarnated. So do the board a favor and just be retired.
You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[toobfreak]

The people who are scared most by AI are those with crimes to hide.

Good point, GS, AI will be a quantum leap in criminal detection. But not only will it vastly improve crime detection, but you won't be able to twitch your nose without AI having a say over it. Unlike people with compassion, the AI world will be B&W with no forgiveness, exceptions nor fudge factor.

Just wait until all there is are a machine to talk to in your every waking moment trying to get answers or resolve problems with government, utilities or most any business. The entire world will be just machines talking to other machines, and people will be on the outside looking in. Humanity will be controlled by its AI governor.

AI will depersonalize and dehumanize humanity, target people as future tyrants, etc., based on patterns of thought and speech (your every word will be tracked) ultimately making people more like machines as we try to make machines more like humans.

Mind you, there may not be an overt design nor plan to do so, but this is the inevitable result, unfortunately, AI is driven by TWO needs:

1. The endless need for geeks to explore technology for technology's sake just to see how far they can take it both out of personal curiosity plus it creates job security.
2. Because if we don't do it, someone else will, and we better beat them to the punchline.

In 25 years, the war of the future will be a cyber war, and if you think nations of the planet operate in one massive clusterfuck now, you've seen nothing yet as each country launches AI cyber attacks at each other seeing who can most damage the other.

It will literally be a race to the bottom for humanity as all of the AIs come together to form one massive super-brain, most of all because no one will listen to the dangers until it is just too late, blinded by the potential DOLLAR SIGNS they see before their faces. It is once again, all about the money.

 

[toobfreak]

You..are just full of shit.

Is this another one of your fact-filled realizations, Jack? I hope your AI can do a much better job of making a persuasive argument than you can.

Nuff said.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Is this another one of your fact-filled realizations, Jack? I hope your AI can do a much better job of making a persuasive argument than you can.

Nuff said.

You have zero idea of what you are talking about.
We had a name for people like you in my earliest tech companies who talked a big game but couldn't back it up....."mushroom".

Keep you in the dark, feed you shit.

 

[toobfreak]

You have zero idea of what you are talking about.

Brilliant rationalization Jack, considering I never even TOLD YOU what I'm talking about!

We had a name for people like you in my earliest tech companies who talked a big game but couldn't back it up....."mushroom".

I guess that makes you a mushroom. Because in all these years, I've yet to ever see you back up a single word you say about anything. But no matter, your very response here has proven my point.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Brilliant rationalization Jack, considering I never even TOLD YOU what I'm talking about!


I guess that makes you a mushroom. Because in all these years, I've yet to ever see you back up a single word you say about anything. But no matter, your very response here has proven my point.

LOL. Honestly, I don't know why you bother. Go away, slugger. You're beaten. Stay down.

 

[toobfreak]

LOL. Honestly, I don't know why you bother. Go away, slugger. You're beaten. Stay down.

Sure, Jack. Your continued defensive retorts and evasions speak volumes. With people like you involved with AI, we are all in great danger.

I'm almost tempted to tell you the solution to the LLM shut-down dilemma, just to prove you wrong, but then, that would be very foolish.

Far better if someday, I went to your competition and gave them the solution, then went to the head of YOUR company and told them they could have had it first, but YOU passed on it.

But then, I cannot prove anything about this stuff over social media, so, being that it is Christmas Eve, I'll just leave you with a---

~~Merry Christmas~~

You think what you want.