Actions of Baylor University of firing coach could destroy all of college football

[bornright]

With no real facts out yet on the blaming of the football coach at Baylor University one can only worry about the damage that will be done to all of college football. With the partial information given one of the stories is that the coaches took no punishment on the players that some female students had complained of. If the coach is required in the future to suspend a player that is accused of such; then the potential of false accusations could be rampant to weaken either opposing teams or to give advantages to big time gamblers. Surely complaints of sexual assaults should be investigated if for nothing else than to see if there is grounds for criminal charges to be filed. For the most part coaches are not trained in criminal investigation and should not be expected to do what the police are for. Most of us think it might be wrong to punish the players before they are conviction of wrong doing.

If we are to be honest not all sexual complaints are real. One of the complaints was against a defensive lineman that met the lady in a bar. They closed the bar and she went back home with him at 2:00am. They had sex that he said was consensual and she later said was not. She had no bruising or injury. The majority of the time that these type cases are brought to trial but really should they be. What makes her side any more believable than his. Her past is not admissible in court. In other words she could be a prostitute and jury would be kept in the dark. She would dress in a modest way and would give the appearance the she was just coming out of Sunday School.

This deal is more serious than most think as it could spread all over the country in college sports.

 

[TheOldSchool]

If athletes and coaches abuse the special treatment they get at Universities, I have no sympathy for them. Besides, it's just amateur sports anyways.

 

[bornright]

If athletes and coaches abuse the special treatment they get at Universities, I have no sympathy for them. Besides, it's just amateur sports anyways.

There is big money in college sports and when you have big money you will have individuals use anything they can to get some of it. So you feel the coaches should investigate all allegations instead of letting the police who are trained to do such. What if the coaches do the investigation and with their limited ability to do such feel there is not enough evidence to punish the athlete?

 

[TheOldSchool]

If athletes and coaches abuse the special treatment they get at Universities, I have no sympathy for them. Besides, it's just amateur sports anyways.

There is big money in college sports and when you have big money you will have individuals use anything they can to get some of it. So you feel the coaches should investigate all allegations instead of letting the police who are trained to do such. What if the coaches do the investigation and with their limited ability to do such feel there is not enough evidence to punish the athlete?

They impeded investigations and/or ignored reports. Some Baylor players were indeed convicted of rape. The solution is not giving players and coaches even specialer treatment.

 

[Kat]

If athletes and coaches abuse the special treatment they get at Universities, I have no sympathy for them. Besides, it's just amateur sports anyways.

From the amateur comes the pro.

 

[bornright]

If athletes and coaches abuse the special treatment they get at Universities, I have no sympathy for them. Besides, it's just amateur sports anyways.

There is big money in college sports and when you have big money you will have individuals use anything they can to get some of it. So you feel the coaches should investigate all allegations instead of letting the police who are trained to do such. What if the coaches do the investigation and with their limited ability to do such feel there is not enough evidence to punish the athlete?

They impeded investigations and/or ignored reports. Some Baylor players were indeed convicted of rape. The solution is not giving players and coaches even specialer treatment.

Never said anyone should be given special treatment. Obviously there was some sexual misconduct in some cases but how easy is it to determine who the victim really is in a he said she said situation and should the coach really be in charge of a investigation such as this. There were no details released yet to determine if investigations were impeded. The statement was made but no details.

 

[DGS49]

NCAA Division I sports, and especially football, is an institution that combines several awful things in American 'culture.'

We have quasi-professional athletes pretending to be college students in the slim hope that someday they might use that experience as a springboard to real professional play.

We have team organizations that generally are a horrific drain on the finances of colleges, perpetuated by the pathetic needs of all the dweebs in the Alumni associations, who, lacking any athletic accomplishments in their own lives, will pay money to see their college teams succeed.

We have over-paid coaching staffs who pay lip service to the theoretical purpose of the institutions, while making multiples of the salary of the highest paid professors.

And in the background we have NFL and NBA teams who save BILLIONS by not having to finance "minor leagues" as baseball does, where their prospects would actually have to be PAID for playing football or basketball.

And so when something like this comes up: one of the athletes is accused of improper behavior, what is a coach to do? Conduct his own investigation and administer punishment according to his findings? Can't do that; it might indicate guilt to local law enforcement. Ignore it? Can't do that. Defer to other policies within the college community? He will look weak and indecisive.

Hara kiri is the only solution.

 

[bornright]

NCAA Division I sports, and especially football, is an institution that combines several awful things in American 'culture.'

We have quasi-professional athletes pretending to be college students in the slim hope that someday they might use that experience as a springboard to real professional play.

We have team organizations that generally are a horrific drain on the finances of colleges, perpetuated by the pathetic needs of all the dweebs in the Alumni associations, who, lacking any athletic accomplishments in their own lives, will pay money to see their college teams succeed.

We have over-paid coaching staffs who pay lip service to the theoretical purpose of the institutions, while making multiples of the salary of the highest paid professors.

And in the background we have NFL and NBA teams who save BILLIONS by not having to finance "minor leagues" as baseball does, where their prospects would actually have to be PAID for playing football or basketball.

And so when something like this comes up: one of the athletes is accused of improper behavior, what is a coach to do? Conduct his own investigation and administer punishment according to his findings? Can't do that; it might indicate guilt to local law enforcement. Ignore it? Can't do that. Defer to other policies within the college community? He will look weak and indecisive.

Hara kiri is the only solution.

You prove you do not have to have a love of the game to give common sense to such a problem. The coach in no way is capable of doing criminal investigations. Leave him out of it.

 

[WinterBorn]

The problem is that the coach actively worked to suppress and cover-up the accusations.

 

[Jarlaxle]

...and he should go to prison for it.

 

[emilynghiem]

With no real facts out yet on the blaming of the football coach at Baylor University one can only worry about the damage that will be done to all of college football. With the partial information given one of the stories is that the coaches took no punishment on the players that some female students had complained of. If the coach is required in the future to suspend a player that is accused of such; then the potential of false accusations could be rampant to weaken either opposing teams or to give advantages to big time gamblers. Surely complaints of sexual assaults should be investigated if for nothing else than to see if there is grounds for criminal charges to be filed. For the most part coaches are not trained in criminal investigation and should not be expected to do what the police are for. Most of us think it might be wrong to punish the players before they are conviction of wrong doing.

If we are to be honest not all sexual complaints are real. One of the complaints was against a defensive lineman that met the lady in a bar. They closed the bar and she went back home with him at 2:00am. They had sex that he said was consensual and she later said was not. She had no bruising or injury. The majority of the time that these type cases are brought to trial but really should they be. What makes her side any more believable than his. Her past is not admissible in court. In other words she could be a prostitute and jury would be kept in the dark. She would dress in a modest way and would give the appearance the she was just coming out of Sunday School.

This deal is more serious than most think as it could spread all over the country in college sports.

Dear bornright This may explain why some colleges required "consent forms" for the students to sign before engaging in sexual relations.
People use to complain and make fun of this, looking from the outside in, where it sounds like too much micromanaging of private matters.

But given the risks of damage and abuse you are pointing out, maybe it is worth it to intrude on the private relations of the team and other students.
If you really care about college football and the future precedence or effects this could have,
I suggest researching what other colleges have used effectively, and maybe recommend those solutions to any college where you have concerns or affiliation with.
You never know -- the right administrators or counselors might consider your input on ways to prevent these problems.