According to Chinese maps, the Muscovite Far Eastern (outer Manchuria and Siberia) colonies belong China, and official history books in China state

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According to Chinese maps, the Muscovite Far Eastern (outer Manchuria and Siberia) colonies belong China, and official history books in China state that "Siberia is a temporarily lost territory of the Celestial Empire."


terrible news for putin´s ulus and its poodles ))

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Baron how it feels?)) LOL

 

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Beijing 'eating up' Siberia

A documentary about the colonization of the Russian Far East by Chinese migrants. They do big business in a sparsely populated area with an unregulated market. Facial recognition

www.asianews.it

 

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Moscow on crash course with Europe. Beijing lays claim to ...​

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18 Feb 2021 — On Chinese social networks the hashtag “Give us back Siberia” is ... sanctions after the referendum for the annexation of Crimea and the ...

 

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Beijing 'eating up' Siberia

A documentary about the colonization of the Russian Far East by Chinese migrants. They do big business in a sparsely populated area with an unregulated market. Facial recognition

www.asianews.it

You are right to say that China is ready to move into Siberia should the Russians change their stance towards China.

So far Russia has allowed China to redirect oil from Central Asia to directly feed Chinese needs without passing through Russia. Embarrassing for the Russians because they continue to view Central Asian countries like Kazakhstan as part of their territory. Some reports also indicate that China received a price so low from Russia that the Russians may have trouble making a profit on the deal.

China doesn't want long supply lines for oil, knowing what happened to Germany in WWII, and the effect oil embargoes had on the US economy in the 1970's. Siberia is China's closest access to all the energy and natural resources it would ever need and if the Russia doesn't serve China's needs the Chinese will simply take it. They have already laid the groundwork:

• huge numbers of Chinese have already migrated to Siberia (they number in the millions)
• virtually all new investments in Siberia are Chinese
• the Chinese are already farming tens of thousands of acres in Siberia
• Chinese firms have set up lumber mills in Siberia and are starting to clear cut Siberian forests
• the Chinese teach their people that Siberia is Chinese

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[Litwin]

You are right to say that China is ready to move into Siberia should the Russians change their stance towards China.

So far Russia has allowed China to redirect oil from Central Asia to directly feed Chinese needs without passing through Russia. Embarrassing for the Russians because they continue to view Central Asian countries like Kazakhstan as part of their territory. Some reports also indicate that China received a price so low from Russia that the Russians may have trouble making a profit on the deal.

China doesn't want long supply lines for oil, knowing what happened to Germany in WWII, and the effect oil embargoes had on the US economy in the 1970's. Siberia is China's closest access to all the energy and natural resources it would ever need and if the Russia doesn't serve China's needs the Chinese will simply take it. They have already laid the groundwork:

• huge numbers of Chinese have already migrated to Siberia (they number in the millions)
• virtually all new investments in Siberia are Chinese
• the Chinese are already farming tens of thousands of acres in Siberia
• Chinese firms have set up lumber mills in Siberia and are starting to clear cut Siberian forests
• the Chinese teach their people that Siberia is Chinese

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Why China Will Reclaim Siberia - NYTimes.com

www.nytimes.com

1860 and other unequal pacts between a strong, expanding Russia and a weakened China after the Second Opium War. (Other European powers similarly encroached upon China, but from the south. Hence the former British foothold in Hong Kong, for example.)


The 1.35 billion Chinese people south of the border outnumber Russia's 144 (much less?) million almost 10 to 1. The discrepancy is even starker for Siberia on its own, home to barely 38 million people, and especially the border area, where only 6 million Russians face over 90 million Chinese. With intermarriage, trade and investment across that border, Siberians have realized that, for better or for worse, Beijing is a lot closer than Moscow.

 

[Litwin]

You are right to say that China is ready to move into Siberia should the Russians change their stance towards China.

So far Russia has allowed China to redirect oil from Central Asia to directly feed Chinese needs without passing through Russia. Embarrassing for the Russians because they continue to view Central Asian countries like Kazakhstan as part of their territory. Some reports also indicate that China received a price so low from Russia that the Russians may have trouble making a profit on the deal.

China doesn't want long supply lines for oil, knowing what happened to Germany in WWII, and the effect oil embargoes had on the US economy in the 1970's. Siberia is China's closest access to all the energy and natural resources it would ever need and if the Russia doesn't serve China's needs the Chinese will simply take it. They have already laid the groundwork:

• huge numbers of Chinese have already migrated to Siberia (they number in the millions)
• virtually all new investments in Siberia are Chinese
• the Chinese are already farming tens of thousands of acres in Siberia
• Chinese firms have set up lumber mills in Siberia and are starting to clear cut Siberian forests
• the Chinese teach their people that Siberia is Chinese

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its funny to see how Putin´s propaganda sell to us Moscow- Hans "friendship", even today ))) in reality they are the worst foes on the planet ))) and we ´ll see the action very very soon ))

 

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The Chinese About Siberia: "Siberia is Ours, and the Moscow Will Regret​

The Chinese portal "Jinji Toutiao" published an article, the author of which calls Siberia "Chinese land" (this phrase he just inverted in quotes, but we can not be fooled!) And wonder why Russians are rebelling because of the cutting down of the Siberian and Far Eastern lumber for export to China.

..... "without us they will immediately begin to rot"! "This is a country that is always small!" - he says about Muscovy , completing the article.
..... In the past, Siberia was conquered by the Mongols and, in fact, is a Chinese territory.....

The Chinese About Siberia:

A dispute on the wood and lumber business between Russia and China, based on land delivery, with a definite bold position of Chinese

www.searates.com

 

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The Mongols conquered a lot of land before being beat off and forced out because of disease........claiming mongol lands will open up all sorts of lands for them...and they will certainly find new excuses for any others that they want.

 

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great to see Moscow´s lovers shocked and frustrated , more facts :​

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China’s ‘friendship’ must bother Putin​

In 1969, China gained quite a few islands on Siberia's Ussuri river. Now, it has already started claiming the entire Siberia as its territory


Late last month, Russia and China renewed their friendship treaty for a further five years. Comrade Putin appears to be making a dangerous mistake by ignoring the potential threat from China. He was only 17 when the Soviet Union fought a seven-month mini-war across the Ussuri river, which is located in Russia’s Siberia (Sleeping Land). How big was Beijing’s ambition one does not know, but the Soviets had to convey an implicit nuclear threat to the aggressor. To save face, Mao Zedong, through his Premier Zhou en Lai, threatened a “People’s War”, which meant that hundreds of thousands of Chinese soldiers would swarm Soviet tanks as they had done with the Americans in the Korean War in 1951-52. The Chinese leader’s belief of convenience was the superiority of man over machine. The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) did demonstrate its idea of warfare on one of the islands on the Ussuri by ambushing Soviet soldiers.


In the end, China gained quite a few islands on the river, which were a loss for the Soviet Union. Logically, more conflict lies ahead. China is a much bigger nuclear power than it was in 1969. Its ambitions have grown and, by current indications, it wishes to become a superpower. We have to remember that Siberia is over 13 million sq km with a sparse population, whereas China is bubbling with people but is short of arable land. Incidentally, the Yellow Giant gained several hundred islands in the midst of not only the Ussuri but also the Amur and Argun rivers. This gain by China and loss by the USSR were after decades of harrowing negotiations which ended in 2004....
More Sino-Russia conflicts could open up in the coming days. China has a number of ambiguous regions along its Russian border, much like the Line of Actual Control (LAC) and McMohan line with India.

Moreover, Moscow is apprehensive of Chinese investments in the Russian Far-East. This sparsely populated Russian territory boasts of abundant natural resources, and traditionally looks at it as vulnerable to Chinese influence or even colonialization.

China’s ‘friendship’ must bother Putin

In 1969, China gained quite a few islands on Siberia's Ussuri river. Now, it has already started claiming the entire Siberia as its territory Late last month, Russia and China renewed their friendship treaty for a further five years. Comrade Putin appears to be making a dangerous mistake by

www.dailypioneer.com

Why Chinese farmers have crossed border into Russia's Far East

When farms in Russia's Far East collapsed with the old Soviet Union, Chinese firms saw an opportunity.

www.bbc.com

 

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According to China, any place in or even touching Asia is 'really' China.

 

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The Mongols conquered a lot of land before being beat off ....

Russian hookers, eh?

 

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...being beat off and forced out because of disease......

Russian hookers, eh?

 

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According to China, any place in or even touching Asia is 'really' China.

Moscow Losing Siberia to China, Commentator Says​

The willingness of Russian officials to rent land in the Transbaikal region to China (see EDM, June 24) gives Beijing control over a choke point that it could use to block Moscow’s access to the Moscow Far East. And as Russian commentator Oleg Lusenko further argues, given the decay and depopulation of the region, this situation can lead to Beijing taking control over a territory equal in size to that of China itself...China is the key to control of all of Siberia. Namely, through here pass the two most important transportation arteries that feed all of Western Siberia, the Far East and Kamchatka. By controlling them,” he writes, “China completely controls a region whose area is comparable with its own territory....
China is the key to control of all of Siberia. Namely, through here pass the two most important transportation arteries that feed all of Western Siberia, the Far East and Kamchatka. By controlling them,” he writes, “China completely controls a region whose area is comparable with its own territory.

Moscow Losing Siberia to China, Commentator Says

By Paul Goble The willingness of Russian officials to rent land in the Transbaikal region to China (see EDM, June 24) gives Beijing control over a choke point that it could use to block Moscow’s access to the Russian Far East. And as Russian commentator Oleg Lusenko further argues, given the...

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its funny to see how Putin´s propaganda sell to us Moscow- Hans "friendship", even today ))) in reality they are the worst foes on the planet ))) and we ´ll see the action very very soon ))

It has always been a relationship of convenience for Russia and China. They supported each other on U.N. votes that sought to criticize each country's actions. China however has little need for Russia today and needs energy and natural resources more than Russia's support in the U.N..

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It has always been a relationship of convenience for Russia and China. They supported each other on U.N. votes that sought to criticize each country's actions. China however has little need for Russia today and needs energy and natural resources more than Russia's support in the U.N..

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both these "states" are uluses - the mongol empires, the difference the hans are cowards they always prefer to use soft-power, meanwhile Muscovite are stupid and poor, they have only hard-power and relay only on it historically .

Putin, heir to the Mongol Grand Khans

According to scholar Tjundeshev, Batu Khan was the true founder of Russian statehood. China, India and Turkey also descend from the Tatars. For him, “it is so difficult for Russians to learn to be free; they always need a strong hand to rule them." Russia’s isolationism is also Tatar in nature. Foreigners are seen as enemies. Telegram, the instant messaging service, has been blocked.


Moscow (AsiaNews) – A recently published book has generated a lot of buzz in Russia. Titled The Great Batu Khan, founder of Russian Statehood (Великий хан Батый – основатель Российской государственности), the tome is by Gennady A. Tjundeshev (Haramos), a historian at Khakassia State University (in Asian Russia, where Tatar-Mongols hail from).

Its publication has revived the memory of the times of the "Tartar yoke", when Russia was under Asian rule for more than two centuries, between the 13th and the 15th centuries. It has also inspired some comparisons, especially with President Putin, who was re-elected on 18 March and has acquired the status of tsar and great leader.

The great Batu Khan was the grandson of Genghis Khan, who, in 1240, imposed the dominion of the so-called "Golden Horde" on the principalities of ancient Kievan Rus, which disappeared from history as a separate entity.