A solution to the gay rights/"religious" freedom debate.

[deltex1]

Have businesses post the identity of any groups with whom they will not do business. That protects the right of businesses, and allows excluded groups to shun, and move the overall community to shun, those same businesses. Let the market decide. I think the problem will soon disappear.

 

[KNB]

Stupid white racist assholes said the same thing about black people in white diners during the 1950s and 60s- "They can just go somewhere else."

How about religious ***** adopt a business model where they don't refuse service to anyone who is paying for their product? Unless a gay couple starts blowing each other in the shop, Christians need to just shut the **** up.

 

[GISMYS]

Have businesses post the identity of any groups with whom they will not do business. That protects the right of businesses, and allows excluded groups to shun, and move the overall community to shun, those same businesses. Let the market decide. I think the problem will soon disappear.

God has the last word on the abomination of sick sexual perversion that some choose to live in and the cost they must pay!==So God let them go ahead into every sort of sex sin, and do whatever they wanted to—yes, vile and sinful things with each other’s bodies. 25 Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they prayed to the things God made, but wouldn’t obey the blessed God who made these things.

26 That is why God let go of them and let them do all these evil things, so that even their women turned against God’s natural plan for them and indulged in sex sin with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sex relationships with women, burned with lust for each other, men doing shameful things with other men and, as a result, getting paid within their own souls with the penalty they so richly deserved.

28 So it was that when they gave God up and would not even acknowledge him, God gave them up to doing everything their evil minds could think of. 29 Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness and sin, of greed and hate, envy, murder, fighting, lying, bitterness, and gossip.

30 They were backbiters, haters of God, insolent, proud, braggarts, always thinking of new ways of sinning and continually being disobedient to their parents. 31 They tried to misunderstand,[h] broke their promises, and were heartless—without pity. 32 They were fully aware of God’s death penalty for these crimes, yet they went right ahead and did them anyway and encouraged others to do them, too.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Have businesses post the identity of any groups with whom they will not do business. That protects the right of businesses, and allows excluded groups to shun, and move the overall community to shun, those same businesses. Let the market decide. I think the problem will soon disappear.

Been there, tried that. Now you know where the laws against such a thing came from. Let's mush on.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Have businesses post the identity of any groups with whom they will not do business. That protects the right of businesses, and allows excluded groups to shun, and move the overall community to shun, those same businesses. Let the market decide. I think the problem will soon disappear.

Businesses don't have that right.

A sign in a window can't amend the Constitution and/or volumes of case law stemming from it.

 

[deltex1]

Stupid white racist assholes said the same thing about black people in white diners during the 1950s and 60s- "They can just go somewhere else."

How about religious ***** adopt a business model where they don't refuse service to anyone who is paying for their product? Unless a gay couple starts blowing each other in the shop, Christians need to just shut the **** up.

How many businesses can you name that have such policies? It isn't solely about "religious *****", Gertrude...just as "same sex marriage" should not be solely defined by your consent to have your ass penetrated by he whom you call husband.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Conservatives clinging desperately to any right to discriminate they possibly can.

And calling it 'freedom'.

 

[deltex1]

Issue Analysis: Arizona Bill Does Not Give Businesses License to Discriminate Against Gays

 

[Silhouette]

Have businesses post the identity of any groups with whom they will not do business. That protects the right of businesses, and allows excluded groups to shun, and move the overall community to shun, those same businesses. Let the market decide. I think the problem will soon disappear.

Have to wonder is "to shun" including things like sabotage and arson? Because I've been on liberal websites where gay activists have proudly threatened to burn down people's houses who were thinking of witnessing against gay marriage in court proceedings. God forbid there's a business shut for the night with a "we are christian and cannot morally serve gay weddings" sign out front.

No, this isn't the solution. Harvey Milk v Utah will be the solution though in the US Supreme Court this year..

 

[KNB]

Stupid white racist assholes said the same thing about black people in white diners during the 1950s and 60s- "They can just go somewhere else."

How about religious ***** adopt a business model where they don't refuse service to anyone who is paying for their product? Unless a gay couple starts blowing each other in the shop, Christians need to just shut the **** up.

How many businesses can you name that have such policies? It isn't solely about "religious *****", Gertrude...just as "same sex marriage" should not be solely defined by your consent to have your ass penetrated by he whom you call husband.

Same-sex marriage is defined by a marriage license recognized by the US government in every state, the same as hetero marriage.

And, yes, this debate is all on the religious ***** because they are the ones screaming about "sin", "evil", "the gay illness" and "a loss of fundamental family values". All that gay people want is to have their marriage recognized the same as any other marriage. That's called "equality". You interpret your religious "freedom" as your ability to deny that equality to them. You don't have that freedom, and your Bible has no authority over American law. Christians need to get over it and stop your whining.

 

[FJO]

A guy walks into a Jewish deli and orders a ham sandwich. The guy behind the counter tells him it can't be done, because Jews don't eat/handle/serve pork or ham due to their religion.

A guy walks into a bakery and orders a wedding cake with two guys (or two girls) instead of husband and wife. The guy behind the counter advises him that he can't do it because his religion opposes same sex marriage.

A guy orders whiskey in a Lebanese restaurant - no booze in a Lebanese restaurant because the owners are of the Muslim faith.

Similarly a customer is unlikely to have a juicy beef steak in an Indian restaurant.

What's the difference?

 

[Mac1958]

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What I wonder is why someone would want to support the business of a bigoted idiot who clearly doesn't want to serve you for whatever reason.

Other than to make a transparently political point, of course.

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[whitehall]

Stupid white racist assholes said the same thing about black people in white diners during the 1950s and 60s- "They can just go somewhere else."

How about religious ***** adopt a business model where they don't refuse service to anyone who is paying for their product? Unless a gay couple starts blowing each other in the shop, Christians need to just shut the **** up.

The same bigots who compare sodomites with the Civil Rights movement were hysterical about the unfounded rumor that Marines mishandled the Koran on Gitmo. The left authorized millions for special diets to conform to the religious beliefs of scum terrorists on Gitmo. All Christians are asking is the same consideration for US citizens who are devoutly religious.

 

[mudwhistle]

Stupid white racist assholes said the same thing about black people in white diners during the 1950s and 60s- "They can just go somewhere else."

How about religious ***** adopt a business model where they don't refuse service to anyone who is paying for their product? Unless a gay couple starts blowing each other in the shop, Christians need to just shut the **** up.

I think there are other things about the gay lifestyle that offends people than just blowjobs.

If somebody wants you to bake a cake in the shape of a penis you shouldn't have to.

Oh, and just about all of those "stupid white assholes" were Democrats.

 

[Katzndogz]

The solution is all too simple. Anyone who walks through the door can get served anything on the menu. The right to service stops at personal service. It stops the very second the demands require the service provider to leave the place of business and attend to the service elsewhere.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Any solution besides linin em up against the wall is weak and pathetic

 

[NYcarbineer]

A guy walks into a Jewish deli and orders a ham sandwich. The guy behind the counter tells him it can't be done, because Jews don't eat/handle/serve pork or ham due to their religion.

A guy walks into a bakery and orders a wedding cake with two guys (or two girls) instead of husband and wife. The guy behind the counter advises him that he can't do it because his religion opposes same sex marriage.

A guy orders whiskey in a Lebanese restaurant - no booze in a Lebanese restaurant because the owners are of the Muslim faith.

Similarly a customer is unlikely to have a juicy beef steak in an Indian restaurant.

What's the difference?

Discriminating against ham is not unconstitutional. Putting a sign up in your restaurant saying you don't serve Jews, and acting on it, is.

 

[FJO]

A guy walks into a Jewish deli and orders a ham sandwich. The guy behind the counter tells him it can't be done, because Jews don't eat/handle/serve pork or ham due to their religion.

A guy walks into a bakery and orders a wedding cake with two guys (or two girls) instead of husband and wife. The guy behind the counter advises him that he can't do it because his religion opposes same sex marriage.

A guy orders whiskey in a Lebanese restaurant - no booze in a Lebanese restaurant because the owners are of the Muslim faith.

Similarly a customer is unlikely to have a juicy beef steak in an Indian restaurant.

What's the difference?

Discriminating against ham is not unconstitutional. Putting a sign up in your restaurant saying you don't serve Jews, and acting on it, is.

Besides the fact that your first sentence is asinine, what does what you are sqaying have to do with what I said?

 

[The Rabbi]

Here's a solution: Let store owners set policies for their own stores. If they dont want to make money off some customers, the guy down the block probably will. Being a small retailer I very very seldom turned down a sale.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Have businesses post the identity of any groups with whom they will not do business. That protects the right of businesses, and allows excluded groups to shun, and move the overall community to shun, those same businesses. Let the market decide. I think the problem will soon disappear.

You ‘think’ wrong.

The issue has nothing to do with ‘shunning’ anyone, nor is allowing business a owner to be ‘up front and honest’ about his or her ignorance and hate a ‘solution.’

Public accommodations laws are predicated on Commerce Clause jurisprudence, where government is authorized to regulate markets, including prohibiting acts that threaten those markets, including local markets. The ‘solution’ you advocate would clearly threaten both the local market and all interrelated markets, and is consequently no ‘solution’ at all.

Either you failed to think this all the way through or lack the capacity to do so.

Last, it’s both telling and sad that this is the type of America you and many others on the right wish it live in.