A socialist hell on earth

[Slade3200]

Bernies plans are nothing like the type of Socialism instituted in Venezuela.

Bullshit!

All the Socialist dickheads say that. They claim that they can somehow make socialism work this time but it always fails.

This stupid idea that a nation is somehow more prosperous when you take money from those that earned it and give it to those that didn't earn it is one of the great scams of mankind.

"Their ain't no such thing as a free lunch". Libtards have a very difficult time understanding that simple concept, even when it is explained to them.

How many countries in the world who gave free tuition to college students are now Venezuleas?

You are comparing apples to oranges. We have way more resources and bernie is proposing to fund his policies through taxing a class that doesn't even exist in most countries. While I've stated I don't fully agree with all his plans, I can tell the difference between what he wants to do and other Socialistic countries.
It's like saying Microsoft is wasteful and idiotic for providing their employees with free lunch and transportation and a soccer field, gym, volleyball courts, vacations and the many other perks they give. They can because they have the resources for it.

 

[bripat9643]

So I couldn't call socialism socialism and I shouldn't oppose dependency programs like social security and medicare because people don't want to hear it? Why? That's ridiculous. I'll speak up for what I believe. Think about a country that follows your standards, everyone goes along with what is popular and doesn't speak up. Yeah, that's a good outcome.

If what I cared about was having popular views, I wouldn't be a libertarian, I'd be a Republican. Then again they're losing too because even the tiniest bit of personal responsibility isn't popular, so let's all just be Democrats. Otherwise we have to advocate things that no one wants to hear, which isn't popular. Shouldn't be done

Oh, I'm the last person here to say someone shouldn't say something.

I'll try to make my point one last time: When you call programs like Medicare and Social Security "socialism", most people are going to say "well, I like those programs, I think they're good for the country, so maybe socialism ain't that bad".

And this is happening right now, before our eyes. Screaming "socialism!" is simply no longer working, and in fact, may be pushing us there faster. Conservatives have been doing liberals a great favor - they're just screaming "socialism" and the liberals are making a case for it.

You're certainly welcome to do that.
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I'm not a conservative, i'm a libertarian. And I understand what you are saying just fine, and I directly addressed it. If you like socialist programs like social security and medicare that's fine, if everyone likes them that's fine. But they are socialism. I don't see what's gained by not calling socialism what it is.

If people like socialism and just don't want to call it that, are they really going to be swayed from other socialist policies just because we call socialist policies they like socialist?

This country is well on it's way to European socialism. I'm in Europe writing this now actually in the Netherlands. I don't see any word game dissuading anyone from that. The majority of Americans are socialist now. Whether or not they get used to the word isn't going to change their policies.

Public education is socialism. You got a plan to get rid of it?

I do.

You're a flat earth nutcase. Of course you do.

ROFL! Right, I know, everyone who doesn't swallow your servile theories of society is a "nutcase."

 

[regent]

What happened to the old Republican battle cry, "socialism leads to communism"? That was such a great Republican scare tactic and now few even mention it. After Social Security passed, Republicans must have waited patiently year after year for America to become a communist nation and nothing. Can we now assume the danger has passed and we will remain America?

 

[BluesLegend]

Speaking of lowlife scum socialists did you hear what Seattle is doing now? (face palm)

 

[kaz]

That's idiotic. No, they are not 'socialism'

It is NOT socialist to make YOU pay for your OWN retirement and your OWN Medical care after retirement.

That's just stupidity.

You people need to leave the 'S' word alone. You have NO clue what it means.

None.

No one is paying for their own retirement with social security. There is no trust fun. The money was spent as it was brought in, nothing was left to us by our parents. Zero. So here's what you're saying:

1) General revenue: Government spends money, taxes my generation for the bills. that is not a trust fun

2) Social security: Government spends money, taxes my generation for the bills. that is a trust fun.

That's ridiculous.

Social security is pure redistribution of money. I'm paying for my parents, they saved zero. Doing the same thing to my kids isn't me saving money either. I don't want to do that to them even though my parents did it to me

Wrong, as usual. The Trust Fund is invested. It draws interest. It holds bonds.

What is the Trust Fund "invested" in?

Essentially the same thing your money market mutual fund is invested in. US treasuries.

In other words, the government loaned the money to itself. Only a terminally gullible dipstick like you would think that's an actual "investment."

It's amazing how the sheeple don't know the difference between loaning money to someone else and loaning it to yourself.

You see, I loan myself $100 and spend it. Then I still have the $100, it's as an asset since I owe myself $100!!!! I can pay myself back any time I want then bam, there's my $100. Cool, huh?



Um ... yeah ....

 

[kaz]

No one is paying for their own retirement with social security. There is no trust fun. The money was spent as it was brought in, nothing was left to us by our parents. Zero. So here's what you're saying:

1) General revenue: Government spends money, taxes my generation for the bills. that is not a trust fun

2) Social security: Government spends money, taxes my generation for the bills. that is a trust fun.

That's ridiculous.

Social security is pure redistribution of money. I'm paying for my parents, they saved zero. Doing the same thing to my kids isn't me saving money either. I don't want to do that to them even though my parents did it to me

Wrong, as usual. The Trust Fund is invested. It draws interest. It holds bonds.

What is the Trust Fund "invested" in?

Essentially the same thing your money market mutual fund is invested in. US treasuries.

In other words, the government loaned the money to itself. Only a terminally gullible dipstick like you would think that's an actual "investment."

The vast majority of our Debt is a composition of investments through the lending process and sale of Treasury bonds. Separate discussion but do some homework on the economics of a sovereign nation and effects of our national debt. I've heard a lot of misconceptions thrown out on this thread, as its a whole different ballgame then how we understand our personal economics.

You didn't say anything

 

[bripat9643]

No one is paying for their own retirement with social security. There is no trust fun. The money was spent as it was brought in, nothing was left to us by our parents. Zero. So here's what you're saying:

1) General revenue: Government spends money, taxes my generation for the bills. that is not a trust fun

2) Social security: Government spends money, taxes my generation for the bills. that is a trust fun.

That's ridiculous.

Social security is pure redistribution of money. I'm paying for my parents, they saved zero. Doing the same thing to my kids isn't me saving money either. I don't want to do that to them even though my parents did it to me

Wrong, as usual. The Trust Fund is invested. It draws interest. It holds bonds.

What is the Trust Fund "invested" in?

Essentially the same thing your money market mutual fund is invested in. US treasuries.

In other words, the government loaned the money to itself. Only a terminally gullible dipstick like you would think that's an actual "investment."

It's amazing how the sheeple don't know the difference between loaning money to someone else and loaning it to yourself.

You see, I loan myself $100 and spend it. Then I still have the $100, it's as an asset since I owe myself $100!!!! I can pay myself back any time I want then bam, there's my $100. Cool, huh?



Um ... yeah ....

You know what's really funny is that no matter how many different ways you explain it that the people who believe in the trust fund can never be convinced that it's a scam. They are worse than Christian fundamentalists or Muslim Jihadis when it comes to this belief. They cling to it like an alcoholic cleans to his last bottle.

 

[bripat9643]

In other words, the government loaned the money to itself. Only a terminally gullible dipstick like you would think that's an actual "investment."

The vast majority of our Debt is a composition of investments through the lending process and sale of Treasury bonds. Separate discussion but do some homework on the economics of a sovereign nation and effects of our national debt. I've heard a lot of misconceptions thrown out on this thread, as its a whole different ballgame then how we understand our personal economics.

Do some homework on fraud and Ponzi schemes. Even Obama admitted that the "trust fund" was worthless when he claimed the government couldn't pay Social Security benefits if Congress didn't raise the debt ceiling. Please explain why he couldn't pay the benefits by cashing in those treasury bonds.

Because we don't operate with a fixed amount of currency. New money is added into our economy through debit, credit and investment and is then removed from the economy through taxation. It doesn't operate like a business or personal finances as we create currency and are not dependent on income. You need to do some homework

What does any of that have to do with the Social Security Trust Fund? Is there actual money in there or not? If there is, then the government should be able to spend it to pay SS benefits. If it can't do that, then it's a colossal fraud. It's really quite simple. There's no need to invoke all your Keynesian abracadabra to answer the question.

What you need to do is learn some actual economics and basic business accounting so you don't sound like an idiot and a pompous ass to boot.

The government never has and never will miss a SS payment, we create our own currency so defaulting will not happen unless there is a huge economic callapse and the value of the dollar goes to shit. We are close to that despite what your friends at Fox try and make you believe. Study the economics

So what you mean is that if the United States is in danger of defaulting it can inflate away its debt by debasing the currency. And how does that differ from defaulting, in any meaningful sense? What good is a SS check if the dollars it represents are totally worthless??

You just admitted that SS Trust Fund is a fraud.

 

[kaz]

Wrong, as usual. The Trust Fund is invested. It draws interest. It holds bonds.

What is the Trust Fund "invested" in?

Essentially the same thing your money market mutual fund is invested in. US treasuries.

In other words, the government loaned the money to itself. Only a terminally gullible dipstick like you would think that's an actual "investment."

It's amazing how the sheeple don't know the difference between loaning money to someone else and loaning it to yourself.

You see, I loan myself $100 and spend it. Then I still have the $100, it's as an asset since I owe myself $100!!!! I can pay myself back any time I want then bam, there's my $100. Cool, huh?



Um ... yeah ....

You know what's really funny is that no matter how many different ways you explain it that the people who believe in the trust fund can never be convinced that it's a scam. They are worse than Christian fundamentalists or Muslim Jihadis when it comes to this belief. They cling to it like an alcoholic cleans to his last bottle.

Yep. And they keep saying, well you buy treasuries, that's an investment? Seriously, they don't know the difference between their friend loaning them $100 and them loaning themselves $100?

They think they paid into a trust fund where their kids are paying 100% of their checks.

You're right about the religion, no logic penetrates them. They've been programmed by government. And that programming worked. For liberals, sure, they are programmed by government across the board. What I don't get are otherwise conservatives who cling just as strongly to that particular lie

 

[bripat9643]

Bernies plans are nothing like the type of Socialism instituted in Venezuela. Ditch the pointless labels and look at the policy ideas... If you must use a label then at least use the correct one... The term is "Democratic Socialist"

So please give us the differences not some bs label you learned in college.

You want me to list the differences between Bernie sanders public policies that he wants to implement in a US economy mostly funded by taxing Wall Street speculation and the billionaire class versus Venezuelan socialism? Do I really need to spell it out for you?

The difference is that the Venezuelan strong men are more honest about what they're doing.

 

[Manchester]

Being a socialist is like being a pedophile.

The idea of personal responsibility is just as alien to a socialist as to why you shouldn't have sex with a child is alien to a pedophile.

If you have to explain to somebody what is wrong with socialism then you are probably just wasting your time. They will never understand.

Another post loaded big on emotive reasoning and demonization and light on logical reasoning and knowledge.
You hate socialism because you want to, you have failed to rationalize that hatred because you can't, and yet you keep impotently swinging.

 

[Slade3200]

The vast majority of our Debt is a composition of investments through the lending process and sale of Treasury bonds. Separate discussion but do some homework on the economics of a sovereign nation and effects of our national debt. I've heard a lot of misconceptions thrown out on this thread, as its a whole different ballgame then how we understand our personal economics.

Do some homework on fraud and Ponzi schemes. Even Obama admitted that the "trust fund" was worthless when he claimed the government couldn't pay Social Security benefits if Congress didn't raise the debt ceiling. Please explain why he couldn't pay the benefits by cashing in those treasury bonds.

Because we don't operate with a fixed amount of currency. New money is added into our economy through debit, credit and investment and is then removed from the economy through taxation. It doesn't operate like a business or personal finances as we create currency and are not dependent on income. You need to do some homework

What does any of that have to do with the Social Security Trust Fund? Is there actual money in there or not? If there is, then the government should be able to spend it to pay SS benefits. If it can't do that, then it's a colossal fraud. It's really quite simple. There's no need to invoke all your Keynesian abracadabra to answer the question.

What you need to do is learn some actual economics and basic business accounting so you don't sound like an idiot and a pompous ass to boot.

The government never has and never will miss a SS payment, we create our own currency so defaulting will not happen unless there is a huge economic callapse and the value of the dollar goes to shit. We are close to that despite what your friends at Fox try and make you believe. Study the economics

So what you mean is that if the United States is in danger of defaulting it can inflate away its debt by debasing the currency. And how does that differ from defaulting, in any meaningful sense? What good is a SS check if the dollars it represents are totally worthless??

You just admitted that SS Trust Fund is a fraud.

The governments been doing it for years and we havent experienced this dreaded inflation or devalue of the dollar... It's all about balance and operates completely different than personal economics

 

[Slade3200]

Bernies plans are nothing like the type of Socialism instituted in Venezuela. Ditch the pointless labels and look at the policy ideas... If you must use a label then at least use the correct one... The term is "Democratic Socialist"

So please give us the differences not some bs label you learned in college.

You want me to list the differences between Bernie sanders public policies that he wants to implement in a US economy mostly funded by taxing Wall Street speculation and the billionaire class versus Venezuelan socialism? Do I really need to spell it out for you?

The difference is that the Venezuelan strong men are more honest about what they're doing.

"Honest strongmen" is the only difference you see between the US and Venezuela? what are you smoking?

 

[bripat9643]

Being a socialist is like being a pedophile.

The idea of personal responsibility is just as alien to a socialist as to why you shouldn't have sex with a child is alien to a pedophile.

If you have to explain to somebody what is wrong with socialism then you are probably just wasting your time. They will never understand.

Another post loaded big on emotive reasoning and demonization and light on logical reasoning and knowledge.
You hate socialism because you want to, you have failed to rationalize that hatred because you can't, and yet you keep impotently swinging.

Every intelligent person hates socialism because he doesn't want to be a slave or live in abject poverty.

 

[bripat9643]

Bernies plans are nothing like the type of Socialism instituted in Venezuela. Ditch the pointless labels and look at the policy ideas... If you must use a label then at least use the correct one... The term is "Democratic Socialist"

So please give us the differences not some bs label you learned in college.

You want me to list the differences between Bernie sanders public policies that he wants to implement in a US economy mostly funded by taxing Wall Street speculation and the billionaire class versus Venezuelan socialism? Do I really need to spell it out for you?

The difference is that the Venezuelan strong men are more honest about what they're doing.

"Honest strongmen" is the only difference you see between the US and Venezuela? what are you smoking?

Honesty is the only difference between Bernie and the strongmen who run Venezuela.

You really are just too stupid to debate with.

 

[bripat9643]

Do some homework on fraud and Ponzi schemes. Even Obama admitted that the "trust fund" was worthless when he claimed the government couldn't pay Social Security benefits if Congress didn't raise the debt ceiling. Please explain why he couldn't pay the benefits by cashing in those treasury bonds.

Because we don't operate with a fixed amount of currency. New money is added into our economy through debit, credit and investment and is then removed from the economy through taxation. It doesn't operate like a business or personal finances as we create currency and are not dependent on income. You need to do some homework

What does any of that have to do with the Social Security Trust Fund? Is there actual money in there or not? If there is, then the government should be able to spend it to pay SS benefits. If it can't do that, then it's a colossal fraud. It's really quite simple. There's no need to invoke all your Keynesian abracadabra to answer the question.

What you need to do is learn some actual economics and basic business accounting so you don't sound like an idiot and a pompous ass to boot.

The government never has and never will miss a SS payment, we create our own currency so defaulting will not happen unless there is a huge economic callapse and the value of the dollar goes to shit. We are close to that despite what your friends at Fox try and make you believe. Study the economics

So what you mean is that if the United States is in danger of defaulting it can inflate away its debt by debasing the currency. And how does that differ from defaulting, in any meaningful sense? What good is a SS check if the dollars it represents are totally worthless??

You just admitted that SS Trust Fund is a fraud.

The governments been doing it for years and we havent experienced this dreaded inflation or devalue of the dollar... It's all about balance and operates completely different than personal economics

The dollar in 1913 was worth about 22 times what it's worth now. So, you were saying about how the dollar hasn't been devalued?

You belief that the laws of economics don't apply to government scams couldn't be more idiotic.

 

[Manchester]

Being a socialist is like being a pedophile.

The idea of personal responsibility is just as alien to a socialist as to why you shouldn't have sex with a child is alien to a pedophile.

If you have to explain to somebody what is wrong with socialism then you are probably just wasting your time. They will never understand.

Another post loaded big on emotive reasoning and demonization and light on logical reasoning and knowledge.
You hate socialism because you want to, you have failed to rationalize that hatred because you can't, and yet you keep impotently swinging.

Every intelligent person hates socialism because he doesn't want to be a slave or live in abject poverty.

Every study that is done on the IQs of of voters shows that there is a slightly high IQ on average for left wing voters. So that you presenting your opinion as fact, or just bare faced lying.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Go read some Wiki or something, brainwashed functional moron. lol

the absence of TP is the essence of socialism....think about it halfwit....

BS- Sabotage by RWSers can be. BTW, you're confusing it with communism AGAIN.

socialism is a centrally planned economy and that always leads to shortages of goods....

Yup, that's communism, dupe. DUH.

government/state control is what you would call a centrally planned economy....

Full Definition of socialism

1. 1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
   
   
2. 2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private propertyb : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
   
   
3. 3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Definition of SOCIALISM

The idiocy of this, of course, is that no one of merit or consequence is advocating for 'socialism.'

'Socialism' is a non-issue, a ridiculous contrivance of the partisan right, a red herring fallacy designed to deflect from the fact that republicans have nothing of value to offer the American people – just lies and demagoguery, such as 'socialism.'

 

[Edgetho]

Another post loaded big on emotive reasoning and demonization and light on logical reasoning and knowledge.
You hate socialism because you want to, you have failed to rationalize that hatred because you can't, and yet you keep impotently swinging.

I can't speak for anybody else in here but I know more about socialism than any of you. Trust me, I do.

And I don't hate socialism. At all. It is a beautiful theory. And I think it could work someday. When we're ready for it, when our society is ready, when we're a mature enough society, it could possible work.

I don't hate socialism.

I hate socialists.

I despise them. IMO, they should should be executed on sight and left in the street to rot as a warning to other socialist scum.

They should be hunted down and put out of their misery. Because that's what it is -- Misery. Sick, deluded, diseased, twisted, murderous scum is what modern socialism is and has been since the French Revolution spit it out of its filthy uterus as an evil spawn of the sickness of revolutionary socialism.

Every single truly socialist government that has ever existed has been totalitarian, genocidal and murderous. Over 100,000,000 (One Hundred Million) dead in the name of socialism.

It isn't socialism that is evil, it is socialists. They are the ones using brute force, they are the ones using murder and genocide to enforce their SICK, disgusting, evil programs.

It's WAY past time we hunted socialists down and put them down like the rabid dogs they are.

And for you fucking IDIOTS that think the dirty Scandis are 'socialist'?

You're idiots. You are mouth-breathing, drool cup-carrying fucking morons.

Most of them are Constitutional Monarchies. That's about as far from being 'socialist' as you can get.

And most of them are FAR more "Business Friendly" than even the United States is. By a good margin. Look it up.

And Most of them have lower -- No, ALL of them have lower Corporate Income taxes than the US does.

Just don't use the 'S' word anymore. You have no clue what it means. None of you do.

Some day maybe we'll be ready for socialism. But not until all the socialists are dead.

Painfully, I hope

 

[Mr Natural]

You're all fucked up in the head.

Seek professional help.