A question for all the Anti-Israelis on this board
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yes ,i believe it is an inaccurate translation from arabic and that the fact still remains what was said by someone once upon a time
is not set for all eternity..the russians never buried us and are now a allies...
Ok, provide a link that shows you my link is false translation
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Did Ahmadinejad really say Israel should be ‘wiped off the map’?
The Pinocchio Test
Some might question why Ahmadinejad’s precise words are important. Clearly, the Iranian government has unrelenting opposition to the state of Israel, so much so that it even rejects Palestinian efforts at statehood if that would result in Israel remaining in the Middle East. Indeed, Tehran has armed and funded Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups opposed to Israel. At the same time, the words allegedly uttered by Ahmadinejad have been used to suggest a change toward a more militaristic posture by Iran toward Israel.
In fact, Ahmadinejad is not the power broker in Iran; it is Khamenei. Khamenei, in fact, has been consistent in speaking of his hatred of Israel, but without a military context, as he demonstrated once again this week. Moreover, the fact that Ahmadinejad was merely quoting Khomeini suggests that even less weight should have been given to his words, especially since there is a dispute over the precise meaning in English.
“Wipe off the map,” in other words, has become easy shorthand for expressing revulsion at Iran’s anti-Israeli foreign policy. Certainly attention needs to be focused on that — and Iranian behaviour in the region. But we’re going to award a Pinocchio to everyone — including ourselves — who has blithely repeated the phrase without putting it into context.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...lly-say-israel-should-be-wiped-off-the-map/20
The Pinocchio Test
Some might question why Ahmadinejad’s precise words are important. Clearly, the Iranian government has unrelenting opposition to the state of Israel, so much so that it even rejects Palestinian efforts at statehood if that would result in Israel remaining in the Middle East. Indeed, Tehran has armed and funded Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups opposed to Israel. At the same time, the words allegedly uttered by Ahmadinejad have been used to suggest a change toward a more militaristic posture by Iran toward Israel.
In fact, Ahmadinejad is not the power broker in Iran; it is Khamenei. Khamenei, in fact, has been consistent in speaking of his hatred of Israel, but without a military context, as he demonstrated once again this week. Moreover, the fact that Ahmadinejad was merely quoting Khomeini suggests that even less weight should have been given to his words, especially since there is a dispute over the precise meaning in English.
“Wipe off the map,” in other words, has become easy shorthand for expressing revulsion at Iran’s anti-Israeli foreign policy. Certainly attention needs to be focused on that — and Iranian behaviour in the region. But we’re going to award a Pinocchio to everyone — including ourselves — who has blithely repeated the phrase without putting it into context.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...lly-say-israel-should-be-wiped-off-the-map/20
kvetch
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none I hope...no extra israelis or other extra terrestrials need die at allShe is an old, washed upZionist cow, with a Hate that flows out of her potty-mouth posts
Thanks for answering ! Now like I asked another poster earlier, how many Israelis do you think will die as a result of going back to the pre- 1967 border in the span of lets say one year?
like I SERIOUSLY said, no-one has to be uprooted under the kvetchplan
nor pals, either
no palicides or jewicides
probably a lot less than will die .................if no such agreement is reached, for sure
think of all the benefits.............and dont be so pessy mystic
it takes a busload of faith to get by.....lou reed the old jew
or as they say in israel....HA TIKVA
re read my post; i've added quite a bit and a few jokey things since you read it, toastie
great to think about these things constructively and not negative slagging
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Israeli arachnid named for Lou ReedRocker from Velvet Underground inspires name for velvet spider that lives undergroundBy JOSHUA DAVIDOVICH May 25, 2012, 8:18 am 15
A team of researchers from the US and Europe named the spider Loureedia annulipes after finding the species in sand dunes near Halukim and Nitzana in the Negev desert.
Israeli arachnid named for Lou Reed | The Times of Israel
A team of researchers from the US and Europe named the spider Loureedia annulipes after finding the species in sand dunes near Halukim and Nitzana in the Negev desert.
Israeli arachnid named for Lou Reed | The Times of Israel
kvetch
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have you read the novel,,,,cider with rosie ?
may need a few, now after all that effort!!
and during your election....looks exciting...will probobly stay up with habibi all night or until the result is clear
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thank you for the report on your continured sobriety, rose. for what reason, i know not. perhaps you have mistook me for your sponsor.
i have only been to two AA meetings in my life, both times with drunk friends who needed their papers signed. they were very interesting, watching a bunch of drunk guys puking in coffee cups, snooing off, and waking up to take a sip of coffee and complain how awful it tasted.
what time did you post...almost 5:00 PM your time. well bravo. you almost made it to happy hour. if i had a chip, i would give it to you. i do have an old 1981 "don't let them die" button from beil feirste supporting the hunger strikers and some old military medals...maybe they'll do.
you do, of ccourse know, thaat many alcoholics go through a period of denial?
i have no idea what you are talking about and why you are telling me this?
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welol, you've pretty much said that israel needs to maintain military control of the west bank; and if i were a negotiator for the palestinians, i would offer nowhere near as much as kvetch offered. i thought almost every point was humourous tongue in cheek.
as a condition to admission as a member state of the UN, israel agreed to abide by UN resolution 273, in which they essentially agree to abide by 181 and n194...so i would go back to 181 to start negotiations (and again, the israelis made this agreement with the UN and after the dust had settled from the first arab israeli war....and i would look to negotiate the refugee problem with the international agreements re:refugees in mind.
now, people may want to throw in those "jewish refugees" from arab states as some sort of bargaining chip but any negotiator worth his salt would realise what an absurdly ridiculous ploy that is.
i have no longer any problem being called an anti-israeli since i have lately come to view israeli supporters as anti-palestinian. it still prejudices the conversation, however.
Peaceful solution?
The principles of Hamas are stated in their Charter and they don't inspire hope for any peaceful solution regarding Gaza. They have not, to my knowledge, changed any of these 'principles'.
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).
Hamas Charter
The principles of Hamas are stated in their Charter and they don't inspire hope for any peaceful solution regarding Gaza. They have not, to my knowledge, changed any of these 'principles'.
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).
"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."
"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion",
and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."
'The charter is a rather classical Islamist document, applied to the local issues. It declares that Jihad (in the sense of armed battle) is the only solution. It cites the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a ludicrous anti-Semitic forgery.'"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."
"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion",
and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."
Hamas Charter
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Typical argument by pro Israelis, show Hamas charter. Hamas agrees to a peace deal.
But they don't agree to something where they gain nothing. Palestinians won't get anything out of it. It's too late. And that's what Israel pushed for.
Also Hamas doesn't have a say in the peace process. Their representatives aren't allowed to any negotiating or talks.
So pointing out Hamas who only governs the tiny Gaza Strip is baseless. It's a ploy.
But they don't agree to something where they gain nothing. Palestinians won't get anything out of it. It's too late. And that's what Israel pushed for.
Also Hamas doesn't have a say in the peace process. Their representatives aren't allowed to any negotiating or talks.
So pointing out Hamas who only governs the tiny Gaza Strip is baseless. It's a ploy.
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Peaceful solution?
The principles of Hamas are stated in their Charter and they don't inspire hope for any peaceful solution regarding Gaza. They have not, to my knowledge, changed any of these 'principles'.
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).
"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "'The charter is a rather classical Islamist document, applied to the local issues. It declares that Jihad (in the sense of armed battle) is the only solution. It cites the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a ludicrous anti-Semitic forgery.'
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."
"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion",
Hamas Charter
ya so I can find all kinds of ranting rabbis saying the same or worse..if your point is all you zealots need to wake the **** up you made it
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_1ds7qG_tc]Insane rabbi ovadia yosef, calls for the final solution, genocide of the palestinians, New Hitler? - YouTube[/ame]
Lipush
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Peaceful solution?
The principles of Hamas are stated in their Charter and they don't inspire hope for any peaceful solution regarding Gaza. They have not, to my knowledge, changed any of these 'principles'.
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).
"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "'The charter is a rather classical Islamist document, applied to the local issues. It declares that Jihad (in the sense of armed battle) is the only solution. It cites the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a ludicrous anti-Semitic forgery.'
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."
"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion",
Hamas Charter
ya so I can find all kinds of ranting rabbis saying the same or worse..if your point is all you zealots need to wake the **** up you made it
Wow, that's lame. Hamas is the Palestinian government, while NutJobs Rabbis have no real influence on politics or government decisions.
Get the tiny difference?
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Lipush
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nearly 3 in the morning, I aint sleeping.
What is "Zova"?
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Peaceful solution?
The principles of Hamas are stated in their Charter and they don't inspire hope for any peaceful solution regarding Gaza. They have not, to my knowledge, changed any of these 'principles'.
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).
"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "'The charter is a rather classical Islamist document, applied to the local issues. It declares that Jihad (in the sense of armed battle) is the only solution. It cites the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a ludicrous anti-Semitic forgery.'
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."
"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion",
Hamas Charter
ya so I can find all kinds of ranting rabbis saying the same or worse..if your point is all you zealots need to wake the **** up you made it
Wow, that's lame. Hamas is the Palestinian government, while NutJobs Rabbis have no real influence on politics or government decisions.
Get the tiny difference?
really then why did the president respond ?...why was he called highly influential ?...was was he all over Israeli TV and newspapers ??
Peaceful solution?
The principles of Hamas are stated in their Charter and they don't inspire hope for any peaceful solution regarding Gaza. They have not, to my knowledge, changed any of these 'principles'.
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).
"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "'The charter is a rather classical Islamist document, applied to the local issues. It declares that Jihad (in the sense of armed battle) is the only solution. It cites the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a ludicrous anti-Semitic forgery.'
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."
"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion",
Hamas Charter
ya so I can find all kinds of ranting rabbis saying the same or worse..if your point is all you zealots need to wake the **** up you made it
Are these ranting rabbis voted for and winning landslide elections, running the country on the basis of charters that say there is no solution but murder, mayhem, destruction and obliteration of the Pals? Eejit
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