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[IM2]

"Whites are individuals”​

Tue Nov 10th 2009 by abagond

“Whites are individuals” is a common argument brought up by White Americans. It is part of a set of closely related arguments:and

• Whites are individuals. There are all kinds – bikers, soccer moms, coal miners, business men, goths, etc – so you cannot make general statements about them.
• To make a general statement about Whites is itself racist. It is stereotyping them. It is hypocritical. It is seeing them according to skin colour and that is racist.
• The “not all Whites” argument: “All Whites are not like that”. They bring this up even when no one said all Whites were anything. But that is how they heard it. It amounts a straw man argument.

“Whites are individuals”

“Whites are individuals” is a common argument brought up by White Americans. It is part of a set of closely related arguments: Whites are individuals. There are all kinds – bikers…

abagond.wordpress.com

Let me start with this. In the discussion of race here there seems to be 2 camps relative to white members.

1. Whites who recognize that criticism of past/present racism doesn't apply to them if they don't practice it, yet understand the long term damage it has caused.

2. Whites who deny and make excuses ignoring the impact of past/current racism and declare people are racists because they talk about racism and that because they talk about whites who are currently practicing racism, they are blaming every white person that ever existed or is alive today of being a racist.

See, this is where the understanding of history is important. First, during the course of American history, not every single white person was a racist. In fact, during the 1600's many black and white slaves and the indentured servants had no problem with each other. The division came when wealthy whites who feared that if the two groups unified, they would lose control and money, so they, rich white men, invented the race card

During slavery, there were whites along the underground railroad that helped blacks escape slavery. Everybody here knows that. But it seems that one section of whites do not want a real discussion about race. They want to run off about "black culture" and we're all just supposed to nod our heads and take their suggestions as to what blacks need to do.

While all whites have not practiced racism, the American system was created based on white racial preference. While all whites are not racists, there is a subculture in the white community that is. That subculture exists right now in the third decade of the twenty-first century, still making comments like this:

“I have innumerable faults, but ignoring reality isn’t one of them. Poor white trash that vote for Trump, hey, they aren’t burning down cities and, what’s the thing about black rapers and dominance and homophobia and killing cops. We all know poor black culture is toxic. Deep down in your dark heart, poor black culture is anti-human and toxic to everyone and you know it.”

This was said by a member here

My point here is that you have not seen a post from blacks here blaming all whites for anything, because we know all whites are not the problem. But we aren't going to pretend that no whites are just because there are whites who do not want America to really be unified. So if there is to be a real discussion, some whites here need to end the hysterics. Saying that the root cause of the problems blacks face is white racism is NOT saying that the root cause is white people. It IS saying that a behavior practiced by a subculture in the white community causes problems. A subculture is part of a culture, not all of it. Therefore no one is blaming all whites for anything.

 

[fncceo]

"Whites are individuals”

So are Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, Jews, Native Americans, Klingons, Martians, and Golgafrinchans.

 

[IM2]

So are Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, Jews, Native Americans, Klingons, Martians, and Golgafrinchans.

You missed the point of this thread.

Try reading the link.

 

[MarathonMike]

"Whites are individuals”​

Tue Nov 10th 2009 by abagond

“Whites are individuals” is a common argument brought up by White Americans. It is part of a set of closely related arguments:and

• Whites are individuals. There are all kinds – bikers, soccer moms, coal miners, business men, goths, etc – so you cannot make general statements about them.
• To make a general statement about Whites is itself racist. It is stereotyping them. It is hypocritical. It is seeing them according to skin colour and that is racist.
• The “not all Whites” argument: “All Whites are not like that”. They bring this up even when no one said all Whites were anything. But that is how they heard it. It amounts a straw man argument.

“Whites are individuals”

“Whites are individuals” is a common argument brought up by White Americans. It is part of a set of closely related arguments: Whites are individuals. There are all kinds – bikers…

abagond.wordpress.com

Let me start with this. In the discussion of race here there seems to be 2 camps relative to white members.

1. Whites who recognize that criticism of past/present racism doesn't apply to them if they don't practice it, yet understand the long term damage it has caused.

2. Whites who deny and make excuses ignoring the impact of past/current racism and declare people are racists because they talk about racism and that because they talk about whites who are currently practicing racism, they are blaming every white person that ever existed or is alive today of being a racist.

See, this is where the understanding of history is important. First, during the course of American history, not every single white person was a racist. In fact, during the 1600's many black and white slaves and the indentured servants had no problem with each other. The division came when wealthy whites who feared that if the two groups unified, they would lose control and money, so they, rich white men, invented the race card

During slavery, there were whites along the underground railroad that helped blacks escape slavery. Everybody here knows that. But it seems that one section of whites do not want a real discussion about race. They want to run off about "black culture" and we're all just supposed to nod our heads and take their suggestions as to what blacks need to do.

While all whites have not practiced racism, the American system was created based on white racial preference. While all whites are not racists, there is a subculture in the white community that is. That subculture exists right now in the third decade of the twenty-first century, still making comments like this:

“I have innumerable faults, but ignoring reality isn’t one of them. Poor white trash that vote for Trump, hey, they aren’t burning down cities and, what’s the thing about black rapers and dominance and homophobia and killing cops. We all know poor black culture is toxic. Deep down in your dark heart, poor black culture is anti-human and toxic to everyone and you know it.”

This was said by a member here

My point here is that you have not seen a post from blacks here blaming all whites for anything, because we know all whites are not the problem. But we aren't going to pretend that no whites are just because there are whites who do not want America to really be unified. So if there is to be a real discussion, some whites here need to end the hysterics. Saying that the root cause of the problems blacks face is white racism is NOT saying that the root cause is white people. It IS saying that a behavior practiced by a subculture in the white community causes problems. A subculture is part of a culture, not all of it. Therefore no one is blaming all whites for anything.

Give me a break. You've been preaching Whitey Bad for years. 600 Blacks a Day are dying because of Racism!!!!! You are what your record says you are not what you happen to be preaching today.

 

[IM2]

Give me a break. You've been preaching Whitey Bad for years. 600 Blacks a Day are dying because of Racism!!!!! You are what your record says you are not what you happen to be preaching today.

And here is an example of:

2. Whites who deny and make excuses ignoring the impact of past/current racism and declare people are racists because they talk about racism and that because they talk about whites who are currently practicing racism, they are blaming every white person that ever existed or is alive today of being a racist.

 

[MarathonMike]

You missed the point of this thread.

Try reading the link.

You and common sense are not acquainted.

 

[johngaltshrugged]

"Whites are individuals”​

Tue Nov 10th 2009 by abagond

“Whites are individuals” is a common argument brought up by White Americans. It is part of a set of closely related arguments:and

• Whites are individuals. There are all kinds – bikers, soccer moms, coal miners, business men, goths, etc – so you cannot make general statements about them.
• To make a general statement about Whites is itself racist. It is stereotyping them. It is hypocritical. It is seeing them according to skin colour and that is racist.
• The “not all Whites” argument: “All Whites are not like that”. They bring this up even when no one said all Whites were anything. But that is how they heard it. It amounts a straw man argument.

“Whites are individuals”

“Whites are individuals” is a common argument brought up by White Americans. It is part of a set of closely related arguments: Whites are individuals. There are all kinds – bikers…

abagond.wordpress.com

Let me start with this. In the discussion of race here there seems to be 2 camps relative to white members.

1. Whites who recognize that criticism of past/present racism doesn't apply to them if they don't practice it, yet understand the long term damage it has caused.

2. Whites who deny and make excuses ignoring the impact of past/current racism and declare people are racists because they talk about racism and that because they talk about whites who are currently practicing racism, they are blaming every white person that ever existed or is alive today of being a racist.

See, this is where the understanding of history is important. First, during the course of American history, not every single white person was a racist. In fact, during the 1600's many black and white slaves and the indentured servants had no problem with each other. The division came when wealthy whites who feared that if the two groups unified, they would lose control and money, so they, rich white men, invented the race card

During slavery, there were whites along the underground railroad that helped blacks escape slavery. Everybody here knows that. But it seems that one section of whites do not want a real discussion about race. They want to run off about "black culture" and we're all just supposed to nod our heads and take their suggestions as to what blacks need to do.

While all whites have not practiced racism, the American system was created based on white racial preference. While all whites are not racists, there is a subculture in the white community that is. That subculture exists right now in the third decade of the twenty-first century, still making comments like this:

“I have innumerable faults, but ignoring reality isn’t one of them. Poor white trash that vote for Trump, hey, they aren’t burning down cities and, what’s the thing about black rapers and dominance and homophobia and killing cops. We all know poor black culture is toxic. Deep down in your dark heart, poor black culture is anti-human and toxic to everyone and you know it.”

This was said by a member here

My point here is that you have not seen a post from blacks here blaming all whites for anything, because we know all whites are not the problem. But we aren't going to pretend that no whites are just because there are whites who do not want America to really be unified. So if there is to be a real discussion, some whites here need to end the hysterics. Saying that the root cause of the problems blacks face is white racism is NOT saying that the root cause is white people. It IS saying that a behavior practiced by a subculture in the white community causes problems. A subculture is part of a culture, not all of it. Therefore no one is blaming all whites for anything.

And we aren't blaming all blacks for sky high crime, violence & murder rates.

What's your point? That some whites are racist? So are some blacks, Asians & hispanics.
That's obvious & I doubt anyone disputes that.
Or are you saying that the plight of poverty plantation blacks is the result of racism? That ignores the bad decisions some of them make & provides a ready excuse to continue self destructive behavior.
That doesn't fly on close inspection

 

[IM2]

And we aren't blaming all blacks for sky high crime, violence & murder rates.

What's your point? That some whites are racist? So are some blacks, Asians & hispanics.
That's obvious & I doubt anyone disputes that.
Or are you saying that the plight of poverty plantation blacks is the result of racism? That ignores the bad decisions some of them make & provides a ready excuse to continue self destructive behavior.
That doesn't fly on close inspection

Yes you are. Because whites have higher crime and violence including a 246 year record of atrocities in America against people of color. There is no poverty plantation and the root cause of the problems blacks face is white racism. When you really do the inspection you see this is the correct assessment. You haven't done that. The bad decision has been wites in power choosing to practice racism.

 

[Rambunctious]

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[Muhammed]

During slavery, there were whites along the underground railroad that helped blacks escape slavery.

They are called Republicans, jackass.

The political party that supported slavery, implemented Jim Crow laws, the one drop rule that even the Nazi's thought was too racist, and constantly supports racism is called the Democratic party, you clueless jackass party of racism and slavery supporter.

Why do you support the Democratic party of slavery rather than the Republican party that was formed specifically to end slavery and give blacks equal rights?

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

So are Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, Jews, Native Americans, Klingons, Martians, and Golgafrinchans.

Vulcans!!!!
You forgot VULCANS!!!!

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

1. Whites who recognize that criticism of past/present racism doesn't apply to them if they don't practice it, yet understand the long term damage it has caused.

2. Whites who deny and make excuses ignoring the impact of past/current racism and declare people are racists because they talk about racism and that because they talk about whites who are currently practicing racism, they are blaming every white person that ever existed or is alive today of being a racist.

You can replace the word "white" with black, brown, Asian, Mexican, etc....
And both statements will still be valid points.

So, what IS your point?

 

[fncceo]

Vulcans!!!!
You forgot VULCANS!!!!

No ... the Vulcan's are a-holes and they know what they did.

 

[Slade3200]

Give me a break. You've been preaching Whitey Bad for years. 600 Blacks a Day are dying because of Racism!!!!! You are what your record says you are not what you happen to be preaching today.

IM2 has always been cool with me. Even when we have been on opposite sides of debates which has happened numerous times. He knows I’m white. It’s about tone and approach. Basic communication skills without the online trolling crap. Respect earns respect

 

[IM2]

You can replace the word "white" with black, brown, Asian, Mexican, etc....
And both statements will still be valid points.

So, what IS your point?

No you can't. That's the problem. You believe this as if everything is exactly the same.

People of color generally understand the damage from past/current racism because we arre affected by it. But my overall point is that not all whites are being blamed and that people need to consider this when race is discussed.

 

[BackAgain]

You missed the point of this thread.

Try reading the link.

Maybe it was more the pointless of the thread.

 

[IM2]

IM2 has always been cool with me. Even when we have been on opposite sides of debates which has happened numerous times. He knows I’m white. It’s about tone and approach. Basic communication skills without the online trolling crap. Respect earns respect

Exactly. I respect you and your positions. I have never been under any illusions that everybody must agree with me. But how many times does a person have to say not all whites are racists for some of these guys to quit what they do?

 

[Slade3200]

Exactly. I respect you and your positions. I have never been under any illusions that everybody must agree with me. But how many times does a person have to say not all whites are racists for some of these guys to quit what they do?

Many will never quit. They are angry people and they use anonymous online forums to vent. Face to face in real life is a much more effective way to have these discussions.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

"Whites are individuals”​

Tue Nov 10th 2009 by abagond

“Whites are individuals” is a common argument brought up by White Americans. It is part of a set of closely related arguments:and

• Whites are individuals. There are all kinds – bikers, soccer moms, coal miners, business men, goths, etc – so you cannot make general statements about them.
• To make a general statement about Whites is itself racist. It is stereotyping them. It is hypocritical. It is seeing them according to skin colour and that is racist.
• The “not all Whites” argument: “All Whites are not like that”. They bring this up even when no one said all Whites were anything. But that is how they heard it. It amounts a straw man argument.

“Whites are individuals”

“Whites are individuals” is a common argument brought up by White Americans. It is part of a set of closely related arguments: Whites are individuals. There are all kinds – bikers…

abagond.wordpress.com

Let me start with this. In the discussion of race here there seems to be 2 camps relative to white members.

1. Whites who recognize that criticism of past/present racism doesn't apply to them if they don't practice it, yet understand the long term damage it has caused.

2. Whites who deny and make excuses ignoring the impact of past/current racism and declare people are racists because they talk about racism and that because they talk about whites who are currently practicing racism, they are blaming every white person that ever existed or is alive today of being a racist.

See, this is where the understanding of history is important. First, during the course of American history, not every single white person was a racist. In fact, during the 1600's many black and white slaves and the indentured servants had no problem with each other. The division came when wealthy whites who feared that if the two groups unified, they would lose control and money, so they, rich white men, invented the race card

During slavery, there were whites along the underground railroad that helped blacks escape slavery. Everybody here knows that. But it seems that one section of whites do not want a real discussion about race. They want to run off about "black culture" and we're all just supposed to nod our heads and take their suggestions as to what blacks need to do.

While all whites have not practiced racism, the American system was created based on white racial preference. While all whites are not racists, there is a subculture in the white community that is. That subculture exists right now in the third decade of the twenty-first century, still making comments like this:

“I have innumerable faults, but ignoring reality isn’t one of them. Poor white trash that vote for Trump, hey, they aren’t burning down cities and, what’s the thing about black rapers and dominance and homophobia and killing cops. We all know poor black culture is toxic. Deep down in your dark heart, poor black culture is anti-human and toxic to everyone and you know it.”

This was said by a member here

My point here is that you have not seen a post from blacks here blaming all whites for anything, because we know all whites are not the problem. But we aren't going to pretend that no whites are just because there are whites who do not want America to really be unified. So if there is to be a real discussion, some whites here need to end the hysterics. Saying that the root cause of the problems blacks face is white racism is NOT saying that the root cause is white people. It IS saying that a behavior practiced by a subculture in the white community causes problems. A subculture is part of a culture, not all of it. Therefore no one is blaming all whites for anything.

I'd say you have little to none
Which supports usmbs very own conspiracy theory that you're a White progressive woman

 

[Oddball]

And here is an example of:

2. Whites who deny and make excuses ignoring the impact of past/current racism and declare people are racists because they talk about racism and that because they talk about whites who are currently practicing racism, they are blaming every white person that ever existed or is alive today of being a racist.