Bull Ring A discussion on race

[Mac-7]

this is in the rather stupid Bullring format, so I will say up front, everyone is invited EXCEPT NewsVine_Mariyam, coyote and OldLady

if you are not one of those three you are invited

here are my unauthorized comments on the thread started by NewsVine_Mariyam titled An Informal Debate on Race Relations in the United States Including Its History that I was not allowed to comment on:

I was not invited to your debate but I will throw in my two cents anyway

Thought policing is unAmerican

the white majority has repealed Jim Crowe and given you the freedom to pursue your dreams

Thats all anyone is entitled to

if the bad actions of black people hurt your reputation among whites - and they do - those are the private opinions of white citizens who are entitled to the same freedom you have

instead of lecturing white people and demanding that they give up some of their rights, you should direct your wraith at other blacks that are making you look bad

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IM2 said:
Nobody has asked whites to give up rights

and my reply:

Yes you have

you are demanding that they stop thinking for themselves and think what you tell them to think

In your world they, whites, arent allowed to hold black people accountable for their own bad behavior

its no different from communist countries where everyone must think the same and those who dont are singled out and punished

 

[mudwhistle]

I wonder why the only topic we're allowed to discuss is what the left wants us to.

 

[Mac-7]

I wonder why the only topic we're allowed to discuss is what the left wants us to.

Because libs like to win the debates and limiting the discussion benefits their side

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Because libs like to win the debates and limiting the discussion benefits their side

They won't win this one, because race is not the modern foundation of the problem, but behavior.

 

[Mac-7]

They won't win this one, because race is not the modern foundation of the problem, but behavior.

Exactly

but behavior aka personal choice does not promote the lib narrative that blacks fail only because whites are mistreating them

 

[Porter Rockwell]

So I got invited to a different thread, apparently run by libs that wanted to create a sounding board for a black supremacist and I tired of that really fast. So, do you want a debate here OR are we just going to do some Twitter sized grunts and run off to allow this to be a one sided affair?

 

[Vastator]

They won't win this one, because race is not the modern foundation of the problem, but behavior.

Well yes, and no... Different races have on average different IQs. And differing IQs result in different behaviors amongst groups. A 75 IQ person vs a 100 IQ person perceive the world around them very differently. They see different things as problems, and see problems differently in general, and arrive at very different solutions to these problems as they perceive them. The Bell Curve should be required reading...

 

[Picaro]

I wonder why the only topic we're allowed to discuss is what the left wants us to.

Because they lose every real debate in their own hobby forum Race/Racism, and desperately need to censor the obvious failures of black public policy as practiced by racist black radicals since the Nixon era gave them a blank check and control of entire cities and their education and criminal justice systems for the last 50 years, in some cases over 70 years. The failures in the Hoods are entirely on black 'leadership' and the rampant corruption in everything they touch and influence. Like Moynihan said a long time ago, the black middle class just uses the violent hood rats as hostages to extort bennies for themselves, and do nothing to improve poverty and stupidity among black people in general.

 

[Picaro]

They won't win this one, because race is not the modern foundation of the problem, but behavior.

Well yes, and no... Different races have on average different IQs. And differing IQs result in different behaviors amongst groups. A 75 IQ person vs a 100 IQ person perceive the world around them very differently. They see different things as problems, and see problems differently in general, and arrive at very different solutions to these problems as they perceive them. The Bell Curve should be required reading...

I agree the IQ differences are 'real', and nobody has succesfuly refuted P. Rushton's works in that area; the problem with that argument is that IQ's of 130 and higher aren't necessary for the vast majority of jobs being created out there, so basing public policy on IQ scores is a waste of time and focus. 85% of the time an IQ of 100 is more than enough. Tolerating cultural degeneracy is a far bigger problem. Going back to literacy and civics tests would do a much better job re who gets to vote in elections, at least, but it's not foolproof; lots of deviants and sociopaths can pass those.

 

[IM2]

I wonder why the only topic we're allowed to discuss is what the left wants us to.

Because they lose every real debate in their own hobby forum Race/Racism, and desperately need to censor the obvious failures of black public policy as practiced by racist black radicals since the Nixon era gave them a blank check and control of entire cities and their education and criminal justice systems for the last 50 years, in some cases over 70 years. The failures in the Hoods are entirely on black 'leadership' and the rampant corruption in everything they touch and influence. Like Moynihan said a long time ago, the black middle class just uses the violent hood rats as hostages to extort bennies for themselves, and do nothing to improve poverty and stupidity among black people in general.

No, you lost and there was no black supremacist present.

You guys don't want debate, you want an echo chamber to spew your ignorance.

Everything you say here is incorrect. But those like you can't accept the truth. Because that truth destrys your white boy lie you tell yourselves about your superiority.

 

[mudwhistle]

I wonder why the only topic we're allowed to discuss is what the left wants us to.

Because they lose every real debate in their own hobby forum Race/Racism, and desperately need to censor the obvious failures of black public policy as practiced by racist black radicals since the Nixon era gave them a blank check and control of entire cities and their education and criminal justice systems for the last 50 years, in some cases over 70 years. The failures in the Hoods are entirely on black 'leadership' and the rampant corruption in everything they touch and influence. Like Moynihan said a long time ago, the black middle class just uses the violent hood rats as hostages to extort bennies for themselves, and do nothing to improve poverty and stupidity among black people in general.

No, you lost and there was no black supremacist present.

You guys don't want debate, you want an echo chamber to spew your ignorance.

Everything you say here is incorrect. But those like you can't accept the truth. Because that truth destrys your white boy lie you tell yourselves about your superiority.

When you use the phrase 'white boy'....to me it's like saying n****r. Don't do that.

And whites don't as a rule think they're superior.....not unless you take into account the way Democrats and Libertarians think. They really think they're better than the rest of us....including blacks.
Democrats have always been this way throughout American history. They used to be the KKK....and now they've changes tactics and now they're acting like they support blacks....when in fact they're just using them to do their dirty work.

 

[emilynghiem]

I wonder why the only topic we're allowed to discuss is what the left wants us to.

Because they lose every real debate in their own hobby forum Race/Racism, and desperately need to censor the obvious failures of black public policy as practiced by racist black radicals since the Nixon era gave them a blank check and control of entire cities and their education and criminal justice systems for the last 50 years, in some cases over 70 years. The failures in the Hoods are entirely on black 'leadership' and the rampant corruption in everything they touch and influence. Like Moynihan said a long time ago, the black middle class just uses the violent hood rats as hostages to extort bennies for themselves, and do nothing to improve poverty and stupidity among black people in general.

No, you lost and there was no black supremacist present.

You guys don't want debate, you want an echo chamber to spew your ignorance.

Everything you say here is incorrect. But those like you can't accept the truth. Because that truth destrys your white boy lie you tell yourselves about your superiority.

Dear IM2 and Mac-7
Let's restart the clock and record keeping
with a fair starting mark.

Black leaders and populations would have to own their own property and develop their own programs and policies WITHOUT depending on anything from "White culture or classes."

Heck, speaking English might even count as White cultural bias.

Let's set up independent city-states/economy first.

Then assess how much is coming from Black leadership/ownership
as opposed to interference or control by Whites, spinning this for disparity and dominance over others!

 

[IM2]

I wonder why the only topic we're allowed to discuss is what the left wants us to.

Because they lose every real debate in their own hobby forum Race/Racism, and desperately need to censor the obvious failure rere cities and their education and criminal justice systems for the last 50 years, in some cases over 70 years. The failures in the Hoods are entirely on black 'leadership' and the rampant corruption in everything they touch and influence. Like Moynihan said a long time ago, the black middle class just uses the violent hood rats as hostages to extort bennies for themselves, and do nothing to improve poverty and stupidity among black people in general.

No, you lost and there was no black supremacist present.

You guys don't want debate, you want an echo chamber to spew your ignorance.

Everything you say here is incorrect. But those like you can't accept the truth. Because that truth destrys your white boy lie you tell yourselves about your superiority.

When you use the phrase 'white boy'....to me it's like saying n****r. Don't do that.

And whites don't as a rule think they're superior.....not unless you take into account the way Democrats and Libertarians think. They really think they're better than the rest of us....including blacks.
Democrats have always been this way throughout American history. They used to be the KKK....and now they've changes tactics and now they're acting like they support blacks....when in fact they're just using them to do their dirty work.

No the term white boy is not even close to the n word. But whites such as yoursellf have to create something to deny the racism whites have pushed. And stop lying about republicans. I mean I am in here reading post after post full of racism from republicans to include you and yet you try telling me this. I know what has been done in America. Southern whites were mostly democrats, now they are republicans. Northern whites were in the KKK and some of them were republican. Todays white republican such as you continue trying to gaslight us with garbage like you have posted here.

 

[IM2]

I wonder why the only topic we're allowed to discuss is what the left wants us to.

Because they lose every real debate in their own hobby forum Race/Racism, and desperately need to censor the obvious failures of black public policy as practiced by racist black radicals since the Nixon era gave them a blank check and control of entire cities and their education and criminal justice systems for the last 50 years, in some cases over 70 years. The failures in the Hoods are entirely on black 'leadership' and the rampant corruption in everything they touch and influence. Like Moynihan said a long time ago, the black middle class just uses the violent hood rats as hostages to extort bennies for themselves, and do nothing to improve poverty and stupidity among black people in general.

No, you lost and there was no black supremacist present.

You guys don't want debate, you want an echo chamber to spew your ignorance.

Everything you say here is incorrect. But those like you can't accept the truth. Because that truth destrys your white boy lie you tell yourselves about your superiority.

Dear IM2 and Mac-7
Let's restart the clock and record keeping
with a fair starting mark.

Black leaders and populations would have to own their own property and develop their own programs and policies WITHOUT depending on anything from "White culture or classes."

Heck, speaking English might even count as White cultural bias.

Let's set up independent city-states/economy first.

Then assess how much is coming from Black leadership/ownership
as opposed to interference or control by Whites, spinning this for disparity and dominance over others!

What are you trying to say here Emily?

You can't just restart the clock and pretend everything stasrts out even. Whites did not bhuild this by themselves. They depended on black labor.

“By a conservative estimate, in 1860 the total value of American slaves was $4 billion, far more than the gold and silver then circulating nationally ($228.3 million, “most of it in the North,” the authors add), total currency ($435.4 million), and even the value of the South’s total farmland ($1.92 billion). Slaves were, to slavers, worth more than everything else they could imagine combined.”

Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry​

In todays money slaves were worth over 127 billion dollars. According to the Sublettes that is a conservative estimate, meaning the amount could be even more. In 1860 the total value of slaves was 17- and one-half times more than the money circulating in the economy. Slaves were worth more than the gold, silver, total U.S. currency, plus all the farmland in the South combined in 1860 yet did not receive a dime. Remember that slaves were considered property. Because they were, the following activity could occur.

During slavery, more specifically during the 19th century, wealthy slaveowners looking for a way to get additional capital to buy more slaves came up with an idea- slave backed securities. Your eyes are not playing tricks on you. Slaveowners securitized slavery. Cornell professors Edward E. Baptist and Louis Hyman detailed how it was done in an article published by the Chicago Sun-Times on its website dated March 7, 2014. This is from the article:

In the 1830s, powerful Southern slaveowners wanted to import capital into their states so they could buy more slaves. They came up with a new, two-part idea: mortgaging slaves; and then turning the mortgages into bonds that could be marketed all over the world.

First, American planters organized new banks, usually in new states like Mississippi and Louisiana. Drawing up lists of slaves for collateral, the planters then mortgaged them to the banks they had created, enabling themselves to buy additional slaves to expand cotton production. To provide capital for those loans, the banks sold bonds to investors from around the globe — London, New York, Amsterdam, Paris. The bond buyers, many of whom lived in countries where slavery was illegal, didn’t own individual slaves — just bonds backed by their value. Planters’ mortgage payments paid the interest and the principle on these bond payments. Enslaved human beings had been, in modern financial lingo, “securitized.”

As slave-backed mortgages became paper bonds, everybody profited — except, obviously, enslaved African Americans whose forced labor repaid owners’ mortgages. But investors owed a piece of slave-earned income. Older slave states such as Maryland and Virginia sold slaves to the new cotton states, at securitization-inflated prices, resulting in slave asset bubble. Cotton factor firms like the now-defunct Lehman Brothers — founded in Alabama — became wildly successful. Lehman moved to Wall Street, and for all these firms, every transaction in slave-earned money flowing in and out of the U.S. earned Wall Street firms a fee.

The infant American financial industry nourished itself on profits taken from financing slave traders, cotton brokers and underwriting slave-backed bonds. But though slavery ended in 1865, in the years after the Civil War, black entrepreneurs would find themselves excluded from a financial system originally built on their bodies.

Edward E. Baptist and Louis Hyman, American Finance Grew on the Back of Slaves​

 

[fncceo]

Race discussion...

 

[Mac-7]

a conservative estimate, in 1860 the total value of American slaves was $4 billion, far more than the gold and silver then circulating nationally ($228.3 million, “most of it in the North,” the authors add), total currency ($435.4 million), and even the value of the South’s total farmland ($1.92 billion). Slaves were, to slavers, worth more than everything else they could imagine combined.”

Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry​

In todays money slaves were worth over 127 billion dollars. According to the Sublettes that is a conservative estimate, meaning the amount could be even more. In 1860 the total value of slaves was 17- and one-half times more than the money circulating in the economy. Slaves were worth more than the gold, silver, total U.S.

You presume too much

Slaves were only 13% of the population and could not possibly account for more of the total value of the US than the same 13%

 

[Hellbilly]

Because libs like to win the debates and limiting the discussion benefits their side

Like this?

everyone is invited EXCEPT NewsVine_Mariyam, coyote and OldLady

 

[Mac-7]

Like this?

I was not invited to their little discussion

You see I think the whole idea of a bullring on a forum like this is stupid

All discussions should be open to everyone

With maybe one exception

I dont welcome foreigners to discussions about domestic issues that only affect Americans

But otherwise...

 

[Hellbilly]

I was not invited to their little discussion

They were not invited to yours which makes you just like them.
Lead by example. Invite everyone.
I've never been invited to one.

 

[Mac-7]

Invite everyone.

I prefer my response