A challenge to ALL of you whining about P. Dean's firing

[PredFan]

Oddly enough, I didn't care for Ms.Dean before this. I couldn't stand her thick accent and what seemed to me to be fake "down home" demeaner. I love to cook and I watch the Food Network a lot. "Good Eats", and "Diners, Drive-ins, and Dives" are my favorites.

Usually, when someone suffers from the idiocy that is Political Correctness, I will support them. So eben though I'll probably never use it, I'll have to buy one of her cook books.

 

[kwc57]

I grew up in the early 60s and the "N word" was fairly common. It was considered to be crude but not obscene. We actually used to consider the "F word" to be obscene back then.

Times have changed and many people haven't. Those who grew up in the south in the 40s and 50s would commonly call blacks "*******". By the late 60s, that was no longer socially acceptable. You could now say "****" but you better not get caught saying "******". Those of that generation learned to whisper the word in private conversation.

Paula Deene is a product of her time. Doesn't make her use of the term acceptable but understandable

Yep. I grew up in the 60's as well. My grandparents lived just outside a small rural town in SE Oklahoma. When you pulled off the highway to get to their farm in the country, you crossed over some railroad teacks and drove along one side of the cresote plant. Right across the road from that was tar paper shacks commonly known as ****** town. When you got to the end of ****** town, you turned right and went a few miles down to get to the farm. It's simply the way it was back then. Today, I don't tell people that I used to drive thru ****** town when I was a kid. It isn't appropriate. The fact that as a 5 year old child in 1962 I called those tar paper shacks "****** town" should have no bearing on my employment today. Could my employer fire me for it? Sure. Would they be politically correct morons for doing so? You bet.

My wish is that black entertainers would quit using the term. If it's offensive to them for someone to use, then it shouldn't be acceptable for them to use it either. We lead by example. If blacks don't want to be called a ******, they ought not call themselves that.

 

[AmyNation]

"Paula Deen, the self-proclaimed queen of Southern cooking and a sugary mainstay of the Food Network, was dropped by the network on Friday, after a bewildering day in which she failed to show up for an interview on the “Today” show and then in two online videos begged her family and audience to forgive her for using racist language..... Ms. Deen has faced a volley of criticism this week over her remarks in a deposition for a discrimination lawsuit by a former employee. In the document, she admitted she had used racial epithets, tolerated racist jokes and condoned pornography in the workplace."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/22/dining/paula-deen-is-a-no-show-on-today.html?_r=1&


Btw, the food network has never said that the decision to not renew her contract was because she used the n word. They didn't give a reason, and they dont have to.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Goto work tomorrow and share the word ******* with your co-workers and then report your findings here to the rest of us SANE people.

Have you ever in your life used the n word? Have you ever told a sexist joke? Gay joke?

 

[The Rabbi]

Btw, the food network has never said that the decision to not renew her contract was because she used the n word. They didn't give a reason, and they dont have to.

Yeah, it was probably out of concerns for the health of their viewers. Right?

 

[The Rabbi]

Maher was fired?

Maher was fired from ABC years ago for some shit he said.

let us know when a black person gets fired for some shit they said.

unequal accountability

You could ask Juan Williams.

 

[The Rabbi]

Then I stand exactly by what i said: "The actual companies involved back then should have been allowed to fire or not fire anyone they chose to." and i'll add, hire or not hire.

What is hypocritical about that?

Nothing hypocritical about it. BUt it is wrong. The blacklist was wrong. Punishing someone economically becayse they hold a view you disagree with is wrong.

Morally wrong yes, but you cannot put morals into a free capitalist economy.

Happens every day. Like this very case, which is an example of trying to get out ahead of the PC crowd.
I dont think there should be a law. But it is wrong to punish someone because maybe she might have said something in private in a stressed moment 30 years ago.
How many rappers have been fired for using the word ******?

 

[AmyNation]

Perhaps it was because her rating were in serious decline before the controversy and the network felt she wasn't worth the hassle.

 

[kwc57]

"Paula Deen, the self-proclaimed queen of Southern cooking and a sugary mainstay of the Food Network, was dropped by the network on Friday, after a bewildering day in which she failed to show up for an interview on the “Today” show and then in two online videos begged her family and audience to forgive her for using racist language..... Ms. Deen has faced a volley of criticism this week over her remarks in a deposition for a discrimination lawsuit by a former employee. In the document, she admitted she had used racial epithets, tolerated racist jokes and condoned pornography in the workplace."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/22/dining/paula-deen-is-a-no-show-on-today.html?_r=1&


Btw, the food network has never said that the decision to not renew her contract was because she used the n word. They didn't give a reason, and they dont have to.

Yeah but.........she was a cash cow for the network and one of their most popular celebrities. Imagine the Heat getting rid of LeBron. While they might not give a reason, 2+2 always equals 4. They did it to be PC. They will lose viewers over their decision. Enough to drastically affect them? I have no idea. But they will take a hit and it will be a bigger hit than they would have taken by keeping her on the air.

 

[PredFan]

Nothing hypocritical about it. BUt it is wrong. The blacklist was wrong. Punishing someone economically becayse they hold a view you disagree with is wrong.

Morally wrong yes, but you cannot put morals into a free capitalist economy.

Happens every day. Like this very case, which is an example of trying to get out ahead of the PC crowd.
I dont think there should be a law. But it is wrong to punish someone because maybe she might have said something in private in a stressed moment 30 years ago.
How many rappers have been fired for using the word ******?

I'm not arguing that it doesn't happen. The fact that it does explains one of the reasons our system is so screwed up. A free capitalist economy has nothing at all to do with morals.

 

[PredFan]

"Paula Deen, the self-proclaimed queen of Southern cooking and a sugary mainstay of the Food Network, was dropped by the network on Friday, after a bewildering day in which she failed to show up for an interview on the “Today” show and then in two online videos begged her family and audience to forgive her for using racist language..... Ms. Deen has faced a volley of criticism this week over her remarks in a deposition for a discrimination lawsuit by a former employee. In the document, she admitted she had used racial epithets, tolerated racist jokes and condoned pornography in the workplace."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/22/dining/paula-deen-is-a-no-show-on-today.html?_r=1&


Btw, the food network has never said that the decision to not renew her contract was because she used the n word. They didn't give a reason, and they dont have to.

Yeah but.........she was a cash cow for the network and one of their most popular celebrities. Imagine the Heat getting rid of LeBron. While they might not give a reason, 2+2 always equals 4. They did it to be PC. They will lose viewers over their decision. Enough to drastically affect them? I have no idea. But they will take a hit and it will be a bigger hit than they would have taken by keeping her on the air.

That was the gamble that they made. I don't agree with you, i'll bet that if they suffer at all it will be temporary. I guess we all will just have to wait and see.

 

[AmyNation]

"Paula Deen, the self-proclaimed queen of Southern cooking and a sugary mainstay of the Food Network, was dropped by the network on Friday, after a bewildering day in which she failed to show up for an interview on the “Today” show and then in two online videos begged her family and audience to forgive her for using racist language..... Ms. Deen has faced a volley of criticism this week over her remarks in a deposition for a discrimination lawsuit by a former employee. In the document, she admitted she had used racial epithets, tolerated racist jokes and condoned pornography in the workplace."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/22/dining/paula-deen-is-a-no-show-on-today.html?_r=1&


Btw, the food network has never said that the decision to not renew her contract was because she used the n word. They didn't give a reason, and they dont have to.

Yeah but.........she was a cash cow for the network and one of their most popular celebrities. Imagine the Heat getting rid of LeBron. While they might not give a reason, 2+2 always equals 4. They did it to be PC. They will lose viewers over their decision. Enough to drastically affect them? I have no idea. But they will take a hit and it will be a bigger hit than they would have taken by keeping her on the air.

She used to be a cash cow. But her star was falling before the lawsuit, and the network decided to abandon a sinking ship.

 

[Clementine]

Goto work tomorrow and share the word ******* with your co-workers and then report your findings here to the rest of us SANE people.

I refuse to punish anyone for saying something stupid when they were young. What matters is how they act when they grow up. If we hold Dean in contempt for saying that a long time ago, then why would the Dems have tolerated Sen. Byrd for being a bigwig in the KKK?

There should be some kind of statute of limitations on stupidity. I worry more about what they are like as a person TODAY.

Just a few years ago, Biden claimed that Obama was the first black candidate that was clean and articulate. Really. If he believed what he was saying, then apparently he was more or less calling other blacks dirty and stupid. Could easily be read that way. Was it really a compliment or just a backhanded insult?

Blacks use the "n" word a lot and I do wish they'd stop. Children will hear it and increase the likihood of it slipping out in the future. They keep the word alive.

We really should worry more about actions than words. Sticks and stones.................

While people are up in arms over a past comment, there are far more serious things that are real and we should focus on the present and the future.

I'd rather be called the "n" word or half breed than some of the words used here on a daily basis. I am a bigger mutt than my dog, so could easily take offense to many different slurs. Fortunately, I don't allow idiots or mere misspeaks to ruin my day. I've lost count of the posters who called others shit stains and worse. Juvenile posters probably still snicker every time they type "teabaggers." It's all just words and unless a person is seriously making a threat or in a position to make life miserable for others, just brush it off for heaven's sake.

I hate it when people are just looking for ways to be offended. Instead of the media ganging up on Dean, maybe they can cover something of substance and let the minor stuff go. If people can forgive Biden's blatant racist remarks as a VP candidate, they can surely forgive a TV chef who uttered a word years ago.

 

[The Rabbi]

Morally wrong yes, but you cannot put morals into a free capitalist economy.

Happens every day. Like this very case, which is an example of trying to get out ahead of the PC crowd.
I dont think there should be a law. But it is wrong to punish someone because maybe she might have said something in private in a stressed moment 30 years ago.
How many rappers have been fired for using the word ******?

I'm not arguing that it doesn't happen. The fact that it does explains one of the reasons our system is so screwed up. A free capitalist economy has nothing at all to do with morals.

Sounds like something from the narco-libertarian side.

 

[PredFan]

Happens every day. Like this very case, which is an example of trying to get out ahead of the PC crowd.
I dont think there should be a law. But it is wrong to punish someone because maybe she might have said something in private in a stressed moment 30 years ago.
How many rappers have been fired for using the word ******?

I'm not arguing that it doesn't happen. The fact that it does explains one of the reasons our system is so screwed up. A free capitalist economy has nothing at all to do with morals.

Sounds like something from the narco-libertarian side.

I wouldn't know.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Does her employer have the right to terminate her?? Yes

Do I support them terminating her? I think without all the facts, it is jumping the gun.. But I support their right to do so...

Do I think she should be shunned for life?? No... and I hope she finds success somewhere else.. best of luck to her

Do I think the left are hypocrites for jumping all over this when they do not jump all over their own when they do it?? Yes

Finally someone tell us who "the left" is and it's ...Food Network! *gasp*

 

[Redfish]

When will Bill Maher be fired for using insulting words, when will letterman be fired for using insulting words?

Why is it ok for comedians to use racial and sexual insults but terrible if a cooking host does it?

the double standard in this PC country sucks.

 

[PredFan]

When will Bill Maher be fired for using insulting words, when will letterman be fired for using insulting words?

Why is it ok for comedians to use racial and sexual insults but terrible if a cooking host does it?

the double standard in this PC country sucks.

Maher got fired back in 2001 from ABC for offensive speech.

 

[AmyNation]

When will Bill Maher be fired for using insulting words, when will letterman be fired for using insulting words?

Why is it ok for comedians to use racial and sexual insults but terrible if a cooking host does it?

the double standard in this PC country sucks.

It's not a double standard.

 

[blackhawk]

Bill Mahr called Palin a slut and we all, including me, bitched about it being over the top.

I'm pretty sure the term ****** is just as bad.

How bout we STOP being hypocrites eh?

Actually he called her *****, whore, and **** it was Rush Limbaugh who used slut about Sandra Fluke. The question is did what the person said justify firing them? Usually you get a warning,suspension,and then firing I can't help but notice none of that happened to Maher or Limbaugh yet for Deen it went straight do fired make of that what you will.

I stand corrected. I don't watch Mahr but I just remembered a brewhaha about something he said.

The Food Network made an economical decision based on what they thought the public reaction would be.

I am baffled at the conservative response to it.

As I stated on another thread about this it's the selective political correctness that gets me say something insulting about one group tons of outrage another group nothing.