383,000,000 Americans are supposedly

[healthmyths]

covered with health care either through...

• 195,900,000 in Private health insurance Health insurance coverage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
• 72,600,000 covered by Medicaid: 72,600,000: Record Number on Medicaid in 2012; Outnumbers Populations of France and UK | CNS News
• 59,000,000 covered by their employers plans Number of Americans Obtaining Health Insurance Through an Employer Declines Steadily Since 2000 - Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
• 47,200,000 covered by Medicare
• 8,300,000 covered by Tricare which is the Department of Defenses health insurance for military personal and their families.TriCare Information - Military Health Care
• 383,000,000

YES I KNOW As of April 1, 2013, the United States had a total resident population of 315,955,000 so how is there are 49 million supposedly uninsured???
Especially when 10 million are NOT citizens according to the Census Bureau.
And 18 million that DON"T WANT OR NEED INSURANCE!!! Under 34 so they have no need as they pay all their health expenses an average of $1,000 a year out of pocket.

So again.. if we have 383,000,000 people covered by some form of health insurance, Medicare, medicaid, military, employers, private insurance... would some one tell me where we come up with
49 million supposedly uninsured???

 

[zeke]

covered with health care either through...

• 195,900,000 in Private health insurance Health insurance coverage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
• 72,600,000 covered by Medicaid: 72,600,000: Record Number on Medicaid in 2012; Outnumbers Populations of France and UK | CNS News
• 59,000,000 covered by their employers plans Number of Americans Obtaining Health Insurance Through an Employer Declines Steadily Since 2000 - Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
• 47,200,000 covered by Medicare
• 8,300,000 covered by Tricare which is the Department of Defenses health insurance for military personal and their families.TriCare Information - Military Health Care
• 383,000,000

YES I KNOW As of April 1, 2013, the United States had a total resident population of 315,955,000 so how is there are 49 million supposedly uninsured???
Especially when 10 million are NOT citizens according to the Census Bureau.
And 18 million that DON"T WANT OR NEED INSURANCE!!! Under 34 so they have no need as they pay all their health expenses an average of $1,000 a year out of pocket.

So again.. if we have 383,000,000 people covered by some form of health insurance, Medicare, medicaid, military, employers, private insurance... would some one tell me where we come up with
49 million supposedly uninsured???

Hey hey hold that thought (and your breath). I will go out and count them for you. Be right back.

 

[healthmyths]

covered with health care either through...

• 195,900,000 in Private health insurance Health insurance coverage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
• 72,600,000 covered by Medicaid: 72,600,000: Record Number on Medicaid in 2012; Outnumbers Populations of France and UK | CNS News
• 59,000,000 covered by their employers plans Number of Americans Obtaining Health Insurance Through an Employer Declines Steadily Since 2000 - Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
• 47,200,000 covered by Medicare
• 8,300,000 covered by Tricare which is the Department of Defenses health insurance for military personal and their families.TriCare Information - Military Health Care
• 383,000,000

YES I KNOW As of April 1, 2013, the United States had a total resident population of 315,955,000 so how is there are 49 million supposedly uninsured???
Especially when 10 million are NOT citizens according to the Census Bureau.
And 18 million that DON"T WANT OR NEED INSURANCE!!! Under 34 so they have no need as they pay all their health expenses an average of $1,000 a year out of pocket.

So again.. if we have 383,000,000 people covered by some form of health insurance, Medicare, medicaid, military, employers, private insurance... would some one tell me where we come up with
49 million supposedly uninsured???

Hey hey hold that thought (and your breath). I will go out and count them for you. Be right back.

So you figure the IRS/Obamacare would at least as the "experts" have figured this out also wouldn't you? I mean they have access to the same information as I do right..? Obama said so remember.."I first heard about it on news reports"!!!

 

[Freewill]

covered with health care either through...

• 195,900,000 in Private health insurance Health insurance coverage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
• 72,600,000 covered by Medicaid: 72,600,000: Record Number on Medicaid in 2012; Outnumbers Populations of France and UK | CNS News
• 59,000,000 covered by their employers plans Number of Americans Obtaining Health Insurance Through an Employer Declines Steadily Since 2000 - Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
• 47,200,000 covered by Medicare
• 8,300,000 covered by Tricare which is the Department of Defenses health insurance for military personal and their families.TriCare Information - Military Health Care
• 383,000,000

YES I KNOW As of April 1, 2013, the United States had a total resident population of 315,955,000 so how is there are 49 million supposedly uninsured???
Especially when 10 million are NOT citizens according to the Census Bureau.
And 18 million that DON"T WANT OR NEED INSURANCE!!! Under 34 so they have no need as they pay all their health expenses an average of $1,000 a year out of pocket.

So again.. if we have 383,000,000 people covered by some form of health insurance, Medicare, medicaid, military, employers, private insurance... would some one tell me where we come up with
49 million supposedly uninsured???

They gave a colonoscopy and came up with the numbers.

 

[healthmyths]

covered with health care either through...

• 195,900,000 in Private health insurance Health insurance coverage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
• 72,600,000 covered by Medicaid: 72,600,000: Record Number on Medicaid in 2012; Outnumbers Populations of France and UK | CNS News
• 59,000,000 covered by their employers plans Number of Americans Obtaining Health Insurance Through an Employer Declines Steadily Since 2000 - Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
• 47,200,000 covered by Medicare
• 8,300,000 covered by Tricare which is the Department of Defenses health insurance for military personal and their families.TriCare Information - Military Health Care
• 383,000,000

YES I KNOW As of April 1, 2013, the United States had a total resident population of 315,955,000 so how is there are 49 million supposedly uninsured???
Especially when 10 million are NOT citizens according to the Census Bureau.
And 18 million that DON"T WANT OR NEED INSURANCE!!! Under 34 so they have no need as they pay all their health expenses an average of $1,000 a year out of pocket.

So again.. if we have 383,000,000 people covered by some form of health insurance, Medicare, medicaid, military, employers, private insurance... would some one tell me where we come up with
49 million supposedly uninsured???

They gave a colonoscopy and came up with the numbers.

Whatever.. the POINT is if these people can't if figure out that there are overlapping coverages and more importantly there are people that truly need insurance but NOT 49 million! how in the hell are they going to administer the Obamanation called Obamacare?

 

[LoneLaugher]

I, for one, am very glad that HM finally decided to address the Obamacare issue. If there is one thing that this forum was missing, it is a discussion about the Affordable Care Act. It's about time!

 

[healthmyths]

I, for one, am very glad that HM finally decided to address the Obamacare issue. If there is one thing that this forum was missing, it is a discussion about the Affordable Care Act. It's about time!

Obviously you don't know how to count as do the Obamacare people!
And that's the point here!
If they can't even figure out that 383 million people out of 315 million are covered... WHAT F...K did we need Obamacare for????

What was the purpose? To insure a bogus number of supposedly "UNINSURED"...?

If a simple math problem that of the bogus 49 million "uninsured" stymies these people how in the hell are they going to manage health care for all?

But being the ignorant math shrift people like you unable to comprehend that 10 million of supposedly 49 million are NOT citizens leaving 39 million.
And Now with the fact 70 million people on Medicaid.. that takes care of the 14 million supposedly not insured leaving 25 million...
Finally why the hell is the inclusion of 18 million people that DON"T want insurance cause they spend less then the premiums for employers programs?

That leaves 7 million "POSSIBLY" that need coverage that they can't get from Medicare/Medicaid/Tricare/military/private insurance!

It's because idiots like you that can't do simple math we have health insurance premiums climbing 141% in anticipation of Obamacare!

Again dummies like you having never been involved in insurance have no idea how premium calculations are done.
You being idiots think the insurance management just wakes up one day and says "these are our new premiums"...! dummy!
But I can't go into the complications that idiots like you have NO idea of how it is done!

For your simple mind... if you are employed .. wait for your employer to drop you because Obamacare makes it cheaper to drop your plan that you liked!
Then wait to get your "insurance exchange" premium sticker shock!

 

[Seawytch]

You know...with their profits, you'd think the insurance companies could afford better shills...

 

[FA_Q2]

You know...with their profits, you'd think the insurance companies could afford better shills...

Why bother. Obamacare has enshrined their profits in gold for all time. Now their customers don’t even have an option anymore, they have to use their product.

 

[Seawytch]

You know...with their profits, you'd think the insurance companies could afford better shills...

Why bother. Obamacare has enshrined their profits in gold for all time. Now their customers don’t even have an option anymore, they have to use their product.

Hardly "for all time". The Public Option can still be put in and placed on the market, setting a pricing standard. Medicare could easily be converted to the public option available to everyone.

 

[healthmyths]

You know...with their profits, you'd think the insurance companies could afford better shills...

Why bother. Obamacare has enshrined their profits in gold for all time. Now their customers don’t even have an option anymore, they have to use their product.

If it is to be so profitable why are the Some prominent health insurers, including industry giant UnitedHealth Group Inc., are not participating in California's new state-run health insurance market, possibly limiting the number of choices for millions of consumers.

UnitedHealth, the nation's largest private insurer, Aetna Inc. and Cigna Corp. are sitting out the first year of Covered California, the state's insurance exchange and a key testing ground nationally for a massive coverage expansion under the federal healthcare law.
UnitedHealth, Aetna and Cigna opt out of California insurance exchange - Los Angeles Times

Tell me something.. IF you work... what is the profit margin, i.e net income before Federal taxes of your employer?
If you don't know I would think you would know what industry you work in, i.e. finance, retail sales, tv repairman? Just curious to see how really dumb you are!
Because HERE Are the net profit margins for the 219 industries... including insurance!!!
Industry Browser - Yahoo! Finance - Full Industry List
Health care plans - insurance was 151 out of 219 with NET profits BEFORE TAXE 3.5%

1. Industry Net Profit Margin (mrq)
2. Broadcasting - TV 68.9
3. Broadcasting - Radio 52.8
4. REIT - Residential 42.6
5. Closed-End Fund - Foreign 38.3
6. REIT - Diversified 30.7
7. Mortgage Investment 30.6
8. Asset Management 30.4
9. Copper 28.7
10. Regional - Southwest Banks 26.1
11. Internet Information Providers 25.4
12. Regional - Midwest Banks 24.3
13. REIT - Healthcare Facilities 23.9
14. Regional - Pacific Banks 23.9
15. Beverages - Brewers 22.8
16. Railroads 22.7
17. Silver 22.2
18. REIT - Retail 20.4
19. Regional - Northeast Banks 19.7
20. Research Services 19.6
21. Beverages - Wineries & Distillers 18.8
22. Savings & Loans 18.5
23. Credit Services 18.5
24. Conglomerates 18.5
25. Drug Manufacturers - Major 17.7
26. REIT - Office 17.3
27. Publishing - Periodicals 17.3
28. Agricultural Chemicals 16.5
29. Electronic Equipment 15.5
30. Foreign Utilities 15.4
31. Application Software 15
32. Regional - Mid-Atlantic Banks 14.5
33. Regional - Southeast Banks 14.4
34. Medical Instruments & Supplies 14.4
35. Water Utilities 13.9
36. Cigarettes 13.9
37. Air Services, Other 13.9
38. Photographic Equipment & Supplies 13.6
39. Drug Manufacturers - Other 13.5
40. Real Estate Development 13.2
41. CATV Systems 13.2
42. Technical & System Software 13.1
43. Beverages - Soft Drinks 13
44. Security Software & Services 12.9
45. Jewelry Stores 12.7
46. Money Center Banks 12.6
47. Nonmetallic Mineral Mining 12.5
48. Synthetics 12.3
49. Drug Related Products 11.8
50. Diversified Investments 11.8
51. Confectioners 11.7
52. Restaurants 11.3
53. Foreign Regional Banks 10.8
54. Semiconductor - Integrated Circuits 10.6
55. Long Distance Carriers 10.5
56. Telecom Services - Domestic 10.2
57. Medical Appliances & Equipment 10.2
58. Business Software & Services 10.2
59. Textile - Apparel Footwear & Accessories 10.1
60. Data Storage Devices 9.9
61. Property & Casualty Insurance 9.7
62. Biotechnology 9.6
63. Scientific & Technical Instruments 9.5
64. Oil & Gas Drilling & Exploration 9.5
65. Multimedia & Graphics Software 9.2
66. Accident & Health Insurance 9
67. Diagnostic Substances 8.9
68. Specialty Chemicals 8.8
69. Residential Construction 8.8
70. Textile - Apparel Clothing 8.7
71. Property Management 8.7
72. Small Tools & Accessories 8.6
73. Toys & Games 8.5
74. Home Improvement Stores 8.4
75. Farm & Construction Machinery 8.4
76. Diversified Machinery 8.4
77. Semiconductor - Broad Line 8.3
78. Personal Computers 8.3
79. Wireless Communications 8.2
80. Personal Products 8.2
81. Lodging 8.2
82. Diversified Computer Systems 8.2
83. Internet Software & Services 8
84. Oil & Gas Equipment & Services 7.9
85. Recreational Vehicles 7.7
86. Recreational Goods, Other 7.7
87. Major Integrated Oil & Gas 7.7
88. Home Furnishing Stores 7.7
89. Sporting Goods Stores 7.6
90. Insurance Brokers 7.5
91. Information & Delivery Services 7.5
92. Apparel Stores 7.4
93. Diversified Electronics 7.3
94. Aerospace/Defense - Major Diversified 7.3
95. Advertising Agencies 7.3
96. Machine Tools & Accessories 7.2
97. Sporting Activities 7.1
98. Gas Utilities 7.1
99. Cleaning Products 7.1
100. Medical Laboratories & Research 7
101. Telecom Services - Foreign 6.9
102. Specialized Health Services 6.8
103. Entertainment - Diversified 6.8
104. Investment Brokerage - National 6.7
105. Housewares & Accessories 6.7
106. Chemicals - Major Diversified 6.6
107. Auto Parts Stores 6.6
108. Processed & Packaged Goods 6.5
109. Oil & Gas Pipelines 6.5
110. Healthcare Information Services 6.5
111. Semiconductor Equipment & Materials 6
112. Pollution & Treatment Controls 5.9
113. Auto Parts Wholesale 5.8
114. Office Supplies 5.7
115. Foreign Money Center Banks 5.7
116. Business Services 5.7
117. Business Equipment 5.6
118. Trucks & Other Vehicles 5.5
119. Publishing - Books 5.5
120. Auto Parts 5.5
121. Metal Fabrication 5.4
122. Dairy Products 5.4
123. Aerospace/Defense Products & Services 5.3
124. Gaming Activities 5.2
125. Hospitals 5
126. Independent Oil & Gas 4.9
127. Surety & Title Insurance 4.8
128. Rental & Leasing Services 4.8
129. Industrial Equipment Wholesale 4.7
130. Publishing - Newspapers 4.6
131. Medical Practitioners 4.6
132. Management Services 4.6
133. Lumber, Wood Production 4.6
134. Food - Major Diversified 4.5
135. Networking & Communication Devices 4.4
136. Movie Production, Theaters 4.4
137. Packaging & Containers 4.2
138. Industrial Electrical Equipment 4.2
139. General Contractors 4.1
140. Waste Management 4
141. Drugs - Generic 3.9
142. Semiconductor - Specialized 3.8
143. General Entertainment 3.8
144. Appliances 3.8
145. Specialty Eateries 3.7
146. Oil & Gas Refining & Marketing 3.6
147. Life Insurance 3.5
     [*]Health Care Plans 3.5%
148. Department Stores 3.5
149. Security & Protection Services 3.4
150. Industrial Equipment & Components 3.4
151. Information Technology Services 3.3
152. Electronics Wholesale 3.3
153. Electric Utilities 3.3
154. Diversified Utilities 3.2
155. Trucking 3.1
156. Textile Industrial 3
157. Personal Services 3
158. Air Delivery & Freight Services 3
159. Medical Equipment Wholesale 2.9
160. Home Furnishings & Fixtures 2.9
161. Tobacco Products, Other 2.8
162. Meat Products 2.8
163. Discount, Variety Stores 2.8
164. Computer Based Systems 2.8
165. Wholesale, Other 2.7
166. Staffing & Outsourcing Services 2.7
167. Rubber & Plastics 2.7
168. Regional Airlines 2.7
169. Internet Service Providers 2.7
170. Technical Services 2.5
171. Specialty Retail, Other 2.5
172. Consumer Services 2.3
173. Catalog & Mail Order Houses 2.2
174. Auto Dealerships 2.2
175. Building Materials Wholesale 2
176. Sporting Goods 1.9
177. Food Wholesale 1.9
178. Drug Stores 1.9
179. Auto Manufacturers - Major 1.9
180. Investment Brokerage - Regional 1.8
181. Heavy Construction 1.7
182. Music & Video Stores 1.6
183. General Building Materials 1.5
184. Drugs Wholesale 1.5
185. Grocery Stores 1.3
186. Major Airlines 1.2
187. Communication Equipment 1.2
188. Resorts & Casinos 1.1
189. REIT - Hotel/Motel 1.1
190. Home Health Care 1
191. Printed Circuit Boards 0.8
192. Paper & Paper Products 0.8
193. Farm Products 0.8
194. Computers Wholesale 0.7
195. Gold 0.5
196. Diversified Communication Services 0.4
197. Basic Materials Wholesale 0.4
198. Closed-End Fund - Equity 0
199. Steel & Iron -0.1
200. Electronics Stores -0.4
201. Shipping -0.7
202. Processing Systems & Products -0.8
203. Industrial Metals & Minerals -0.8
204. Closed-End Fund - Debt -1.4
205. Cement -1.7
206. Marketing Services -1.8
207. Education & Training Services -1.9
208. Long-Term Care Facilities -2
209. Aluminum -2.1
210. Computer Peripherals -3.6
211. Manufactured Housing -3.9
212. Drug Delivery -4.2
213. Toy & Hobby Stores -12.7
214. Semiconductor- Memory Chips -12.7
215. REIT - Industrial -21.1

 

[LoneLaugher]

You know...with their profits, you'd think the insurance companies could afford better shills...

Why bother. Obamacare has enshrined their profits in gold for all time. Now their customers don’t even have an option anymore, they have to use their product.

If it is to be so profitable why are the Some prominent health insurers, including industry giant UnitedHealth Group Inc., are not participating in California's new state-run health insurance market, possibly limiting the number of choices for millions of consumers.

UnitedHealth, the nation's largest private insurer, Aetna Inc. and Cigna Corp. are sitting out the first year of Covered California, the state's insurance exchange and a key testing ground nationally for a massive coverage expansion under the federal healthcare law.
UnitedHealth, Aetna and Cigna opt out of California insurance exchange - Los Angeles Times

Tell me something.. IF you work... what is the profit margin, i.e net income before Federal taxes of your employer?
If you don't know I would think you would know what industry you work in, i.e. finance, retail sales, tv repairman? Just curious to see how really dumb you are!
Because HERE Are the net profit margins for the 219 industries... including insurance!!!
Industry Browser - Yahoo! Finance - Full Industry List
Health care plans - insurance was 151 out of 219 with NET profits BEFORE TAXE 3.5%

1. Industry Net Profit Margin (mrq)
2. Broadcasting - TV 68.9
3. Broadcasting - Radio 52.8
4. REIT - Residential 42.6
5. Closed-End Fund - Foreign 38.3
6. REIT - Diversified 30.7
7. Mortgage Investment 30.6
8. Asset Management 30.4
9. Copper 28.7
10. Regional - Southwest Banks 26.1
11. Internet Information Providers 25.4
12. Regional - Midwest Banks 24.3
13. REIT - Healthcare Facilities 23.9
14. Regional - Pacific Banks 23.9
15. Beverages - Brewers 22.8
16. Railroads 22.7
17. Silver 22.2
18. REIT - Retail 20.4
19. Regional - Northeast Banks 19.7
20. Research Services 19.6
21. Beverages - Wineries & Distillers 18.8
22. Savings & Loans 18.5
23. Credit Services 18.5
24. Conglomerates 18.5
25. Drug Manufacturers - Major 17.7
26. REIT - Office 17.3
27. Publishing - Periodicals 17.3
28. Agricultural Chemicals 16.5
29. Electronic Equipment 15.5
30. Foreign Utilities 15.4
31. Application Software 15
32. Regional - Mid-Atlantic Banks 14.5
33. Regional - Southeast Banks 14.4
34. Medical Instruments & Supplies 14.4
35. Water Utilities 13.9
36. Cigarettes 13.9
37. Air Services, Other 13.9
38. Photographic Equipment & Supplies 13.6
39. Drug Manufacturers - Other 13.5
40. Real Estate Development 13.2
41. CATV Systems 13.2
42. Technical & System Software 13.1
43. Beverages - Soft Drinks 13
44. Security Software & Services 12.9
45. Jewelry Stores 12.7
46. Money Center Banks 12.6
47. Nonmetallic Mineral Mining 12.5
48. Synthetics 12.3
49. Drug Related Products 11.8
50. Diversified Investments 11.8
51. Confectioners 11.7
52. Restaurants 11.3
53. Foreign Regional Banks 10.8
54. Semiconductor - Integrated Circuits 10.6
55. Long Distance Carriers 10.5
56. Telecom Services - Domestic 10.2
57. Medical Appliances & Equipment 10.2
58. Business Software & Services 10.2
59. Textile - Apparel Footwear & Accessories 10.1
60. Data Storage Devices 9.9
61. Property & Casualty Insurance 9.7
62. Biotechnology 9.6
63. Scientific & Technical Instruments 9.5
64. Oil & Gas Drilling & Exploration 9.5
65. Multimedia & Graphics Software 9.2
66. Accident & Health Insurance 9
67. Diagnostic Substances 8.9
68. Specialty Chemicals 8.8
69. Residential Construction 8.8
70. Textile - Apparel Clothing 8.7
71. Property Management 8.7
72. Small Tools & Accessories 8.6
73. Toys & Games 8.5
74. Home Improvement Stores 8.4
75. Farm & Construction Machinery 8.4
76. Diversified Machinery 8.4
77. Semiconductor - Broad Line 8.3
78. Personal Computers 8.3
79. Wireless Communications 8.2
80. Personal Products 8.2
81. Lodging 8.2
82. Diversified Computer Systems 8.2
83. Internet Software & Services 8
84. Oil & Gas Equipment & Services 7.9
85. Recreational Vehicles 7.7
86. Recreational Goods, Other 7.7
87. Major Integrated Oil & Gas 7.7
88. Home Furnishing Stores 7.7
89. Sporting Goods Stores 7.6
90. Insurance Brokers 7.5
91. Information & Delivery Services 7.5
92. Apparel Stores 7.4
93. Diversified Electronics 7.3
94. Aerospace/Defense - Major Diversified 7.3
95. Advertising Agencies 7.3
96. Machine Tools & Accessories 7.2
97. Sporting Activities 7.1
98. Gas Utilities 7.1
99. Cleaning Products 7.1
100. Medical Laboratories & Research 7
101. Telecom Services - Foreign 6.9
102. Specialized Health Services 6.8
103. Entertainment - Diversified 6.8
104. Investment Brokerage - National 6.7
105. Housewares & Accessories 6.7
106. Chemicals - Major Diversified 6.6
107. Auto Parts Stores 6.6
108. Processed & Packaged Goods 6.5
109. Oil & Gas Pipelines 6.5
110. Healthcare Information Services 6.5
111. Semiconductor Equipment & Materials 6
112. Pollution & Treatment Controls 5.9
113. Auto Parts Wholesale 5.8
114. Office Supplies 5.7
115. Foreign Money Center Banks 5.7
116. Business Services 5.7
117. Business Equipment 5.6
118. Trucks & Other Vehicles 5.5
119. Publishing - Books 5.5
120. Auto Parts 5.5
121. Metal Fabrication 5.4
122. Dairy Products 5.4
123. Aerospace/Defense Products & Services 5.3
124. Gaming Activities 5.2
125. Hospitals 5
126. Independent Oil & Gas 4.9
127. Surety & Title Insurance 4.8
128. Rental & Leasing Services 4.8
129. Industrial Equipment Wholesale 4.7
130. Publishing - Newspapers 4.6
131. Medical Practitioners 4.6
132. Management Services 4.6
133. Lumber, Wood Production 4.6
134. Food - Major Diversified 4.5
135. Networking & Communication Devices 4.4
136. Movie Production, Theaters 4.4
137. Packaging & Containers 4.2
138. Industrial Electrical Equipment 4.2
139. General Contractors 4.1
140. Waste Management 4
141. Drugs - Generic 3.9
142. Semiconductor - Specialized 3.8
143. General Entertainment 3.8
144. Appliances 3.8
145. Specialty Eateries 3.7
146. Oil & Gas Refining & Marketing 3.6
147. Life Insurance 3.5
     [*]Health Care Plans 3.5%
148. Department Stores 3.5
149. Security & Protection Services 3.4
150. Industrial Equipment & Components 3.4
151. Information Technology Services 3.3
152. Electronics Wholesale 3.3
153. Electric Utilities 3.3
154. Diversified Utilities 3.2
155. Trucking 3.1
156. Textile Industrial 3
157. Personal Services 3
158. Air Delivery & Freight Services 3
159. Medical Equipment Wholesale 2.9
160. Home Furnishings & Fixtures 2.9
161. Tobacco Products, Other 2.8
162. Meat Products 2.8
163. Discount, Variety Stores 2.8
164. Computer Based Systems 2.8
165. Wholesale, Other 2.7
166. Staffing & Outsourcing Services 2.7
167. Rubber & Plastics 2.7
168. Regional Airlines 2.7
169. Internet Service Providers 2.7
170. Technical Services 2.5
171. Specialty Retail, Other 2.5
172. Consumer Services 2.3
173. Catalog & Mail Order Houses 2.2
174. Auto Dealerships 2.2
175. Building Materials Wholesale 2
176. Sporting Goods 1.9
177. Food Wholesale 1.9
178. Drug Stores 1.9
179. Auto Manufacturers - Major 1.9
180. Investment Brokerage - Regional 1.8
181. Heavy Construction 1.7
182. Music & Video Stores 1.6
183. General Building Materials 1.5
184. Drugs Wholesale 1.5
185. Grocery Stores 1.3
186. Major Airlines 1.2
187. Communication Equipment 1.2
188. Resorts & Casinos 1.1
189. REIT - Hotel/Motel 1.1
190. Home Health Care 1
191. Printed Circuit Boards 0.8
192. Paper & Paper Products 0.8
193. Farm Products 0.8
194. Computers Wholesale 0.7
195. Gold 0.5
196. Diversified Communication Services 0.4
197. Basic Materials Wholesale 0.4
198. Closed-End Fund - Equity 0
199. Steel & Iron -0.1
200. Electronics Stores -0.4
201. Shipping -0.7
202. Processing Systems & Products -0.8
203. Industrial Metals & Minerals -0.8
204. Closed-End Fund - Debt -1.4
205. Cement -1.7
206. Marketing Services -1.8
207. Education & Training Services -1.9
208. Long-Term Care Facilities -2
209. Aluminum -2.1
210. Computer Peripherals -3.6
211. Manufactured Housing -3.9
212. Drug Delivery -4.2
213. Toy & Hobby Stores -12.7
214. Semiconductor- Memory Chips -12.7
215. REIT - Industrial -21.1

HM,

Did you look over that list? Do you see anything in there that raises questions as to it's credibility or accuracy? Do you believe those numbers?

I am trying to help you here.

 

[FA_Q2]

You know...with their profits, you'd think the insurance companies could afford better shills...

Why bother. Obamacare has enshrined their profits in gold for all time. Now their customers don’t even have an option anymore, they have to use their product.

Hardly "for all time". The Public Option can still be put in and placed on the market, setting a pricing standard. Medicare could easily be converted to the public option available to everyone.

The public option is a terrible idea IMHO (though I do think that it would be better than Obamacare) but as to that road, it really is not part of this discussion so I will digress.

As far as it replacing what we have, I am highly dubious. In all honesty, Obamacare has really brought to the surface how badly this government wants crony capitalism to be an integral part of itself. I don’t actually see this going anywhere. There will be endless bailouts and changes to keep the current system in place before they go to the public option. That is my opinion at least.

There was an opening and Obama claimed that is what he wanted BUT that rhetoric lasted seconds before they jumped right onto what we have. Personally, I don’t think that there ever was a push for public option. That was a publicity excuse to force what we are getting. Obamacare was pushed through with almost no republicans anywhere voting for it and yet we are told that we did not get single payer because they needed republican support to pass it….

Yes, that makes zero sense.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Why bother. Obamacare has enshrined their profits in gold for all time. Now their customers don’t even have an option anymore, they have to use their product.

Hardly "for all time". The Public Option can still be put in and placed on the market, setting a pricing standard. Medicare could easily be converted to the public option available to everyone.

The public option is a terrible idea IMHO (though I do think that it would be better than Obamacare) but as to that road, it really is not part of this discussion so I will digress.

As far as it replacing what we have, I am highly dubious. In all honesty, Obamacare has really brought to the surface how badly this government wants crony capitalism to be an integral part of itself. I don’t actually see this going anywhere. There will be endless bailouts and changes to keep the current system in place before they go to the public option. That is my opinion at least.

There was an opening and Obama claimed that is what he wanted BUT that rhetoric lasted seconds before they jumped right onto what we have. Personally, I don’t think that there ever was a push for public option. That was a publicity excuse to force what we are getting. Obamacare was pushed through with almost no republicans anywhere voting for it and yet we are told that we did not get single payer because they needed republican support to pass it….

Yes, that makes zero sense.

*sigh*

The basic premise behind Obamacare was put forth as a Republican plan to bring personal responsibility to health care in America.

The climate of bullshit that nutters have fostered for two decades made a push for single payer out of the question. Too many Americans fear change. The decision to take a gradual approach was made. The idea was to use Republican ideas to move the ball down the field. Who knew that you nutters would fumble on purpose and oppose your own ideas. All because you don't like the QB.


Assholes.

 

[Mr. H.]

What exactly was so damned broken that it had to be "fixed"?
The cure is worse than the disease.

 

[editec]

What exactly was so damned broken that it had to be "fixed"?
The cure is worse than the disease.

A HC system whose costs have gone from 5% of the GDP, to 18% of the GDP in the last 40 years.

There was no "cure" put into place.

ACA is NOT a fix at all.

 

[FA_Q2]

Hardly "for all time". The Public Option can still be put in and placed on the market, setting a pricing standard. Medicare could easily be converted to the public option available to everyone.

The public option is a terrible idea IMHO (though I do think that it would be better than Obamacare) but as to that road, it really is not part of this discussion so I will digress.

As far as it replacing what we have, I am highly dubious. In all honesty, Obamacare has really brought to the surface how badly this government wants crony capitalism to be an integral part of itself. I don’t actually see this going anywhere. There will be endless bailouts and changes to keep the current system in place before they go to the public option. That is my opinion at least.

There was an opening and Obama claimed that is what he wanted BUT that rhetoric lasted seconds before they jumped right onto what we have. Personally, I don’t think that there ever was a push for public option. That was a publicity excuse to force what we are getting. Obamacare was pushed through with almost no republicans anywhere voting for it and yet we are told that we did not get single payer because they needed republican support to pass it….

Yes, that makes zero sense.

*sigh*

The basic premise behind Obamacare was put forth as a Republican plan to bring personal responsibility to health care in America.

The climate of bullshit that nutters have fostered for two decades made a push for single payer out of the question. Too many Americans fear change. The decision to take a gradual approach was made. The idea was to use Republican ideas to move the ball down the field. Who knew that you nutters would fumble on purpose and oppose your own ideas. All because you don't like the QB.


Assholes.

And?

Because it was a ‘republican’ plan that should somehow make it better? It is a terrible idea no matter what asinine party came up with this bullshit.
You bought the selling false point though. You seem to think that the democrats have pushed this as a means to an end – a way of tricking the republicans into getting a single payer solution. I doubt that what you bought was more than bullshit though. That was how they got democrats to buy into this asinine system. Now they have it I don’t think that single payer is anywhere on the horizon.

To put it simply, you thought you were buying into this to trick the republicans into a single payer but instead you got tricked into becoming a legally trapped customer to the insurance industry. That’s what happens when everyone is focusing on tricking other into what they want rather than just passing sound law and policy.


All the double faced bullshit and you have the gall to call the republicans assholes – LOL.

 

[FA_Q2]

What exactly was so damned broken that it had to be "fixed"?
The cure is worse than the disease.

A HC system whose costs have gone from 5% of the GDP, to 18% of the GDP in the last 40 years.

There was no "cure" put into place.

ACA is NOT a fix at all.

I would still chuckle about the beginning of this long road if it were not so damn scary. Does everyone not forget that Obama started this off with the very real and stark problem of healthcare costs ruining the economy? The original ‘problem’ that he said he was going to address was the COST of healthcare and then he preceded to do everything that had NOTHING to do with the cost. A MAJOR part of the healthcare cost problem lies in insurance and the way we pay for healthcare in the first place. All that has happened is the problem has been exacerbated. Then to ‘pay’ for some of this, we tax healthcare devices?!?!?!!? WTF! What the hell was that supposed to accomplish?

The real problems that we are having with healthcare have not only been overlooked, they have been protected and ensured they will continue to be a problem.

 

[Mr. H.]

If Clinton's health care reform policies failed so miserably in the early '90s how was Obama's allowed to come to fruition?

 

[LoneLaugher]

The public option is a terrible idea IMHO (though I do think that it would be better than Obamacare) but as to that road, it really is not part of this discussion so I will digress.

As far as it replacing what we have, I am highly dubious. In all honesty, Obamacare has really brought to the surface how badly this government wants crony capitalism to be an integral part of itself. I don’t actually see this going anywhere. There will be endless bailouts and changes to keep the current system in place before they go to the public option. That is my opinion at least.

There was an opening and Obama claimed that is what he wanted BUT that rhetoric lasted seconds before they jumped right onto what we have. Personally, I don’t think that there ever was a push for public option. That was a publicity excuse to force what we are getting. Obamacare was pushed through with almost no republicans anywhere voting for it and yet we are told that we did not get single payer because they needed republican support to pass it….

Yes, that makes zero sense.

*sigh*

The basic premise behind Obamacare was put forth as a Republican plan to bring personal responsibility to health care in America.

The climate of bullshit that nutters have fostered for two decades made a push for single payer out of the question. Too many Americans fear change. The decision to take a gradual approach was made. The idea was to use Republican ideas to move the ball down the field. Who knew that you nutters would fumble on purpose and oppose your own ideas. All because you don't like the QB.


Assholes.

And?

Because it was a ‘republican’ plan that should somehow make it better? It is a terrible idea no matter what asinine party came up with this bullshit.
You bought the selling false point though. You seem to think that the democrats have pushed this as a means to an end – a way of tricking the republicans into getting a single payer solution. I doubt that what you bought was more than bullshit though. That was how they got democrats to buy into this asinine system. Now they have it I don’t think that single payer is anywhere on the horizon.

To put it simply, you thought you were buying into this to trick the republicans into a single payer but instead you got tricked into becoming a legally trapped customer to the insurance industry. That’s what happens when everyone is focusing on tricking other into what they want rather than just passing sound law and policy.


All the double faced bullshit and you have the gall to call the republicans assholes – LOL.

What? What did I buy into? I am a single payer guy. One of the people in favor of overhauling our broken profit-driven system and not a supporter of ACA.

I am in favor of enough of the parts of the ACA to prefer it over doing nothing, though. Bought into?

You project.