You get what you pay for

[P@triot]

Which brings us back full circle to the left-wing ideology. Everything they claim to believe and support applies to everyone else only. It never applies to them. If a child needs a life-saving procedure, “fuck ‘em”. But if Joey has a ‘lil boo-boo on his knee, well holy hell everyone better get out of the way and spend whatever it takes to make his boo-boo feel better.

Except these procedures you scream about weren't "life saving". they were "Death delaying" Wow, we just spent hundreds of thousands of dollars keeping a miscarriage on life support for 11 months.

My little socialist snowflake...in those 11 months, a cure could have been found.

The Polio vaccine was “finalized” (for lack of a better word) on March 26, 1953. In April 1952, it wasn’t.

Every single day there is some sort of breakthrough in healthcare. Every. Single. Day.

 

[P@triot]

Which brings us back full circle to the left-wing ideology. Everything they claim to believe and support applies to everyone else only. It never applies to them. If a child needs a life-saving procedure, “fuck ‘em”. But if Joey has a ‘lil boo-boo on his knee, well holy hell everyone better get out of the way and spend whatever it takes to make his boo-boo feel better.

Except these procedures you scream about weren't "life saving". they were "Death delaying" Wow, we just spent hundreds of thousands of dollars keeping a miscarriage on life support for 11 months. This child was never going to grow up, all they were really doing was pandering to the parents inability to accept reality.

So, yeah- cost benefit analysis. Fixing Joe's knee meant that Joe keeps going to work, keeps producing an income for the next 20 years.

And there it is, Ladies & Gentlemen. Admitting death panels based on the cost/benefit analysis of one’s ability to serve the state. Just like the U.S.S.R. under Vladamir Lenin and Joseph Stalin.

If you can’t do more for the government than they need to do for you, you’re executed. That means children and elderly are murdered by the hundreds of millions.

And remember - this tool and all of his communist pals vehemently denied death panels when Republicans brought them up during Obamacare.

The left knows they have to lie to bring their horribly fucked-up ideology to fruition - because nobody would ever embrace that bat-shit craziness other than the mentally fucking insane.

 

[P@triot]

If Charlie Gard has been born in the USA, he would have never received treatment. His parents couldn’t afford the co-pays.

Sweetie...this is why you need to find an ignorant Canadian website to stalk. You’re so damn dumb when it comes to U.S. laws, policies, culture, etc. that you add absolutely no value to this board. All you do is spread misinformation.

Nobody is denied life-saving healthcare in the United States you dumb Canadian quack.

 

[JoeB131]

Snowflake...people come from all over the world to the United States because we have the best healthcare in the world. And it’s not even close.

Billionaire don’t fly to Canada for your rationed healthcare, sweetie, because it’s a joke.

Best health care in the world doesn't do you a bit of good if you can't access it... It's like saying that America is awesome because a luxury car you could never afford to drive just passed you on the road.

And tax payers pay government a shit-ton of money. Do you realize what an asshole socialist you sound like now?

You pay an insurance company a pittance and you’re outraged at any denial. Tax payers pay government trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars and you applaud anyone denied life-saving healthcare.

Okay, let's look at that. I currently pay $2500 a year for my health insurance. My employer probably puts up another $2500, but he wouldn't if the value of my labor didn't more than make that up. Which means I just put $5000 into an insurance plan a year. That'd be awesome if when I let's say, slipped on the ice and my doctor told me I needed surgery to fix it, they paid for it, no questions asked. That's not what happened.

MEANWHILE- I am paying taxes. My state, federal witholdings are about $15,000 a year out of earnings of about $80,000. Since a lot of my money is through an all Cash business, I could really cheat if I wanted to but I don't.

Throw on another $2000 a year in property taxes and maybe $3000 a year in sales taxes. So let's say, 20K a year.

Guess what. Most of the services I am paying for, I'm getting. The roads are there, the police are there, fire protection is there. Social Security and Medicare will be there when I retire. National Defense spending probably doesn't currently benefit me, but it certainly has in the past when I was in.

 

[JoeB131]

And there it is, Ladies & Gentlemen. Admitting death panels based on the cost/benefit analysis of one’s ability to serve the state. Just like the U.S.S.R. under Vladamir Lenin and Joseph Stalin.

If you can’t do more for the government than they need to do for you, you’re executed. That means children and elderly are murdered by the hundreds of millions.

Okay, buddy, now you are going into pure hysterics...

The insurance companies have death panels too... the difference is that Charlie Gard got good care until they realized there was nothing to be done for him. Nataline Sarkisyan didn't get care because it cut into Cigna's profit margin.

And remember - this tool and all of his communist pals vehemently denied death panels when Republicans brought them up during Obamacare.

The left knows they have to lie to bring their horribly fucked-up ideology to fruition - because nobody would ever embrace that bat-shit craziness other than the mentally fucking insane.

Again, buddy, your hysterics aside, the countries with Single payer have longer life expectancy and lower infant mortality rates than we do.

 

[Andylusion]

Again, there is a huge difference between going to another country because you find it cheaper, and going to another country because if you don't you'll die.

And they are coming to the US for care routinely. This is a documented fact, not up for debate. You have the right to be wrong, but that just makes you ignorant.

Well, except your own link says otherwise.

Since there is no readily available data on Canadians leaving the country for medical care,

The institute asked the specialists to approximate the percentage of their patients who received non-emergency treatment outside of Canada in the previous 12 months.

He noted that there is no real evidence to back up the message that Canadians are being forced into medical tourism simply due to wait times at home.

No, that makes sense. They are not 'forced' into it. Again, the system is technically free. No one is being forced to leave. I agree completely.

But they are. We know they are, because they have for-profit companies that are making money on provided people an escape from their system.

Timely Medical | Timely Surgery at Affordable Prices

Why would any patient, pay money, to get treatment they get for free? Or worse, why would any patient pay money for treatment, that they paid a huge chunk of their income in taxes their entire lives to get? You take a massive portion of their income in taxes their whole lives to pay for gov-care, and then they end up on a three year waiting list, and end up mortgaging their home to get care in the US. Adding insult to injury.

The reason of course is that a free spot on a waiting list, isn't the same as a getting health care.

They could write the exact same thing for the VA. No one 'forced' patients to die. Yet they did, because gov-care results in long waiting lists, and people died waiting for care on VA lists.

 

[Andylusion]

Life expectancy has nothing to do with health care. If I get shot by a murderer, that isn't because our health care is bad. If I die in an accident on the way home, that isn't because health care was too much. If I hang myself, it's not because doctors were not waiting around the block, to cut the noose from around my neck.

We don't have enough murders or suicides to really tweak the expectancy numbers... not that the fact that gun proliferation isn't a real problem... just not a statistically signifigant one in this context.

Further, our infant mortality is not higher than Europe. It is a statistical lie.

Again, every single baby in the UK, that is born too early, is not even counted as being alive. Naturally your numbers of infant mortality will be lower, if you don't count the ones that die.

Again, not enough to tweak the numbers... It's not just the UK, it's every industrialized nation beats us.

It's not just infants, it's child mortality rates.



We have more children up to the age of 5 dying than other industrialized nations.



We also have the highest rate of MATERNAL deaths.

Again..... we are the only nation that counts EVERY SINGLE BIRTH.
I don't know why this is difficult for you. This is a well documented fact.

Why American infant mortality rates are so high

Is a baby born weighing less than a pound and after only 21 weeks' gestation actually "born?" In some countries, the answer is no, and those births would be counted as stillbirths. In the United States, on the other hand, despite these premature babies' relatively low odds of survival, they would be considered born -- thus counting toward the country's infant mortality rates.​

By the way, that isn't the only reason either. We also have a massive drug problem in this country. Many children are born prematurely because they are on drugs. That drastically increases infant mortality. Same data....

On the other hand, some controllable risk factors include the use of tobacco, alcohol, cocaine and other drugs.​

Comparing the US infant mortality to Japan and Finland and other countries, is a bad comparison, because we have one of the highest uses of illegal drugs in the world, and those other countries do not. In fact, Japan and Finland, finding a drug user is like finding a Unicorn.

Well.... people not on drugs, tend to have healthy births. There is nothing in the health care industry that is going to fix you, or your baby, if you are at home shooting up, or smoking something.

 

[P@triot]

MEANWHILE- I am paying taxes. My state, federal witholdings are about $15,000 a year out of earnings of about $80,000. Since a lot of my money is through an all Cash business, I could really cheat if I wanted to but I don't.

Throw on another $2000 a year in property taxes and maybe $3000 a year in sales taxes. So let's say, 20K a year.

$20,000 per year and we’re $22 trillion in debt without healthcare.

With healthcare, make that $50,000 per year in taxes with the national deficit tripling every year. And the best part? Being that you’re a Boomer, you’re too old to serve the state so they will execute you and confiscate whatever assets you have left to pay for the 20 and 30 year olds.

Ain’t communism/socialism grand?

 

[P@triot]

The insurance companies have death panels too...

No, really, they don’t. If an insurance company did anything that ended your life, they would be brought up on murder charges.

Facts matter, Joseph.

 

[Kosh]

There is a reason U.S. is the best in the world.

American Health Care Costs a Lot, but Delivers Results

To bad it is a ponzi scheme thanks to the insurance companies and big pharma who wrote Obamacare!

 

[P@triot]

Again, buddy, your hysterics aside, the countries with Single payer have longer life expectancy and lower infant mortality rates than we do.

That’s because they are too dirt-poor to over eat and develop heart disease.

What a great “plan”, Joe - longer life through malnutrition and poverty!

 

[P@triot]

MEANWHILE- I am paying taxes. So let's say, 20K a year. Guess what. Most of the services I am paying for, I'm getting.

Congrats...you’re excited about the really shitty stuff you get for $20,000 per year. I’ve heard you rant about murderous racists “cops” over and over. Your roads are a fuck’n disaster. And oh yeah - your state is billions in debt and your nation is trillions in debt.

That, my friends, is some fine left-wing “logic”. It takes an IQ of less than 61 to be a leftist.

 

[bodecea]

There is a reason U.S. is the best in the world.

American Health Care Costs a Lot, but Delivers Results

You get what you pay for?
I understand Iran has just offered a 80 million dollar bounty on trump.

 

[JoeB131]

No, that makes sense. They are not 'forced' into it. Again, the system is technically free. No one is being forced to leave. I agree completely.

But they are. We know they are, because they have for-profit companies that are making money on provided people an escape from their system.

Except we really don't know that... in fact, Medical Tourism from Canada is largely a myth...

American tourism to Mexico, however, is quite real.

 

[JoeB131]

That’s because they are too dirt-poor to over eat and develop heart disease.

What a great “plan”, Joe - longer life through malnutrition and poverty!

Are you some kind of retard? This is where I think you live somewhere in Jesusland and have never travelled outside the US.

While Japanese and Europeans are less likely to be overweight, their longer life spans have to do with the fact they have easy access to health care that Americans don't.

Congrats...you’re excited about the really shitty stuff you get for $20,000 per year. I’ve heard you rant about murderous racists “cops” over and over. Your roads are a fuck’n disaster. And oh yeah - your state is billions in debt and your nation is trillions in debt.

You might have heard it, but you weren't paying particularly close attention.

Yes, some cops suck at their jobs. So do some of everyone... even little toadies like you who fetch coffee for the big man.

 

[P@triot]

I understand Iran has just offered a 80 million dollar bounty on trump.

Made possible because Obama secretly shipped Iran billions of dollars in unmarked crates in unmarked military planes in the middle of the night to help fund their terrorism against the United States.

What does it say about you that you think he was the greatest president of all time?

 

[Andylusion]

No, that makes sense. They are not 'forced' into it. Again, the system is technically free. No one is being forced to leave. I agree completely.

But they are. We know they are, because they have for-profit companies that are making money on provided people an escape from their system.

Except we really don't know that... in fact, Medical Tourism from Canada is largely a myth...

American tourism to Mexico, however, is quite real.

Largely a myth? Based on what? Because you want it to be?
Yes or no, did two different PMs from the Canadian government, come to the US for care, for illnesses that their own health care system should be able to deal with?

 

[JoeB131]

Made possible because Obama secretly shipped Iran billions of dollars in unmarked crates in unmarked military planes in the middle of the night to help fund their terrorism against the United States.

What does it say about you that you think he was the greatest president of all time?

Um, that was Iran's money, not ours... The courts ruled that we had to return assets we seized back in the 1970's.

Largely a myth? Based on what? Because you want it to be?
Yes or no, did two different PMs from the Canadian government, come to the US for care, for illnesses that their own health care system should be able to deal with?

Probably no... There was one Provincial Governor who came down here because he was a rich asshole who didn't want to share a hospital room.

 

[P@triot]

Um, that was Iran's money, not ours... The courts ruled that we had to return assets we seized back in the 1970's.

Um...no courts made any such ridiculous ruling. The fact that you think a court ruling just happened to coincide with Iran returning the military hostages (that Obama ordered to surrender) just proves what a mindless Obama minion you were.

Furthermore, no government places hundreds of millions of dollars in unmarked crates on unmarked planes in the middle of the night for legitimate transactions. Instead, they wire-transfer that kind of money.

 

[P@triot]

Largely a myth? Based on what? Because you want it to be?
Yes or no, did two different PMs from the Canadian government, come to the US for care, for illnesses that their own health care system should be able to deal with?

Probably no...

Spoken like a true uninformed leftist.