Would you support Alternative voting?

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    Former Governor of Minnesota, Jessie Ventura, the nation's highest ranking independent office holder in memory, spoke with Glenn Beck about Alternative voting. Here is how Wiki explains it:

    Instant runoff voting (IRV) is the American English term for a voting system in which voters rank candidates in order of preference, most commonly in single-winner elections. Indeed, IRV can be considered a special case of single transferable vote for the case where there is a single position to be filled. If no candidate is the first preference of a majority of voters, the candidate with the fewest number of first preference rankings is eliminated and that candidate's ballots are redistributed at full value to the remaining candidates according to the next ranking on each ballot. This process is repeated until one candidate obtains a majority of votes among candidates not eliminated. The term instant runoff is used because the method is said to simulate a series of runoff elections tallied in rounds, as in an exhaustive ballot election.[1] In the contingent vote form of IRV, all but the top vote-getters are eliminated before the instant runoff.

    Instant runoff voting is sometimes referred to as alternative voting, or the Alternative Vote (AV) in the United Kingdom; the preferential ballot, or preferential voting, in Canada and Australia; and ranked choice voting in the United States. It is also, more rarely, called Ware's method, after its inventor W. R. Ware.


    As it was explained on Beck if you voted for Jessie Ventura for President, and he did not have enough votes, you could have recorded a second choice like for example Tom Hanks. After the elimination of the Ventura candidacy your vote would go to Hanks. If Hanks failed your vote could go elsewhere.

    As an independent I heartily endorse Alternative Voting. What do you think?
     
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    Voting with the exception of the theft of same by gaming the electronic voting machines is not the problem. It is not now nor ever was. Reason being that all our elected officials and repreesentatives must run for re-election and can be removed in a civil and orderly fashion. The problem is and always has been the giant gorilla in the room which is the unbalanced access that lobbiests have to manipulate our democacy with many billions of dollars in every and especially presidential election cycles and major legislation that effects our lives vs profit of multi national corporations. The tweeking of the form will not change the outcome when all that get elected get corrupted. The insidious preasure to conform to the will of the insider money is backed up with threats and action. If they need examples made they provide them. Check out Paul Wellstone's and Jon Jon's plane crash. John Kennedy's assasination.. There are numerous examples... The anthrax letters.... on and on. These people play hard ball. I'm not trying to go off on some stupid conspiracy ...just pointing out that wolves, jackals and hyenas ...do what they do. The only real and serious way to free our government from the tentacles of these vermin is to chop them off literally, slit thier throats and bleed them out. Nothing short of that will ever change a goddamn thing. You can dance a little jig and change a handfull of election outcomes and the same billions will be there waiting for whomever you chose.
     
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    I don't think it'll ever happen.

    But I think it would be interesting to see. I'd be for it.
     
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    Overly complex.

    Plenty of potenial for abuse.
     
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    Something best tried at the state level first...Y'know, the way the founders intended dual sovereignty to work?
     
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    I don't necessarily disagree with you. But what kind of abuse do you see happening?
     
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    Claims of miscounts, hanging chad type arguments, that people 'misunderstood' who they were voting for, ect.

    Unless a system is super simple you can count on it confusing a significant amount of voters.
     
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    I would support a system where you have a number of votes equivalent to the number of candidates. If you feel meh about the candidate you prefer, you just give him one vote and toss the other. If there are 3 candidates, and there are two you would go for and one you hate, you can give one candidate two votes, one, one, and skip the third guy.

    Thing is, you could spread the love equal to the degree of love you have.

    Solves the problem of the third party guy popular among all moderates shipping power over to worse weasel in a three man race.
     
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    I'll agree that it's certain to confuse many people initially. But I think a system could be designed to make it fairly simple - more simple than the chap punch paper ballots.
     
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    I believe there might also be constitutional issues with it, but not an expert on that.

    An interesting sidebar, the loser of a POTUS election became vice president in the early elections.
     

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